theyre cowards for not getting involved and ruling us
- KINGKENZO

Yes. But they've been here before according to "Ancient Aliens" on the History channel.

Here's a question anyone may answer. Growing up, one of my favourite TV shows was The Cosby Show. Now that we know what we know about Bill Cosby, does this make me a horrible person? Am I now known as a "known rape supporter?" How's this any different than Tanner calling people out as "known racists" for supporting Trump?
- gergeswillems

Here’s an even better question. If you’re a democrat and openly vote democrat does that mean I have the right to call you a racist KKK member who is sexist? Funny how democrats seem to forget their past and the fact they started the civil war, started the KKK and were against women’s rights. They sure do love blaming others for minor things they’ve said in the past, a lot of what they perceive to be racist, and even trying to erase theirs by tearing down statues of Robert E Lee.

Here’s an even better question. If you’re a democrat and openly vote democrat does that mean I have the right to call you a racist KKK member who is sexist? Funny how democrats seem to forget their past and the fact they started the civil war, started the KKK and were against women’s rights. They sure do love blaming others for minor things they’ve said in the past, a lot of what they perceive to be racist, and even trying to erase theirs by tearing down statues of Robert E Lee.
- LAkings96

Something about those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I believe I heard this somewhere.

What a surprise, the CDC now says Covid is NOT easily transmitted on surfaces like metal, plastics, etc.

I was walking to a clothing store with my 4 year old daughter. As we're walking across the parking lot, a grown man smacked a kid (his son?) and said that he was going to "beat the poop out of you when we get home."

I wanted to say something. However, this was not a man thinking rationally, and there was no one else around to watch my 4 year old daughter, so I kept my mouth shut and kept walking, telling her that the man was being bad.

Since I did not verbally or physically intervene is the matter, I guess that makes me a coward per Tanner logic.
- jmatchett383

I'm guessing that this happened so fast that you didn't have much time to process it as you would in hindsight. And I'd have probably done the same as you.* But in case something like this happens again, the best thing is to just call the police. Get a good description of him and his car, and if there's an opportunity, take pics/video with your phone (hopefully getting his vehicle's number plate). Even if you don't, there's a good chance your report can be backed-up with security cameras, which makes it all the more easier for them to go after a turd like this guy.

*: Where I live the habits/attitudes of a lot of drivers are scary. I'm very conscious of their typical aggressive actions and avoid eye contact or any other type of acknowledgement (other than to give them plenty of leeway to get past me) in case they turn out to be a potential true road-rager. There are all too many stories in the news here in recent years about people getting shot just for just being on the same road with these nut cases and committing the sin of merely being in their way. But I'd like to think that if they are doing something so obviously threatening that they're endangering me and the others sharing the road, I would not hesitate to try and report them to law enforcement. At the same time I don't get as upset as I did in my youth whenever I'm around inept drivers myself. It's not worth the effort along with the potential escalation to pure stupidity, just for near misses when ultimately there is no accident. And if it there is one, that's what insurance is for. All this said, it reminds me that I should really consider more than ever getting some sort of vehicle camera system, just in case...

What a surprise, the CDC now says Covid is NOT easily transmitted on surfaces like metal, plastics, etc.
- rrentz

That’s great news!

Why is it a surprise? I assume there’s going to be changes to previously released information as they learn more about this virus.

Oh, so now there ARE times when not doing/saying anything are acceptable? That's not what I've been reading in here.

Maybe people should think that, sometimes, there are reasons other than money and cowardice for people taking no action. Or just make irrational blanket statements.

Hell, even if I was by myself, this dude was out of his mind. For all I know, he's carrying or has a gun in his car, and probably wasn't about some random dude calling him out.
- jmatchett383

So you see a guy threaten a kid and for all you know has a gun, but you didn't say anything. Not even taking description or license plate and anonymously alert authorities?

That's brave. /s

Here's a question anyone may answer. Growing up, one of my favourite TV shows was The Cosby Show. Now that we know what we know about Bill Cosby, does this make me a horrible person? Am I now known as a "known rape supporter?" How's this any different than Tanner calling people out as "known racists" for supporting Trump?

Well, to put it in the same category of what Tanner is saying, if you still supported Bill Cosby now, and actively promoted him as not being a deviant and state that none of the proven information about him was true, then yes, it's a similar situation. You'd in fact be supporting a rapist.

What Tanner is clumsily trying to say, I think, is that there are a lot of knowns about Trump that are really bad (pathological lying, embracing racism/sexism) that a majority of his supporters deny, even in the face of evidence. For some of his supporters, it's true. David Duke is a fan, so are white nationalists, white supremacists, nazis and other fringe groups. A trump supporter just won a primary and she supports the QAnon conspiracy theory. There's a lot of unsavory people that are associated with this guy. So the question is, knowing this, and still supporting him, does that mean you endorse that behavior?

You can make an argument that perhaps they don't and just aren't vocal about it. Guilt by association applies. But a good many supporters deny all of this as more of a "radical left wing" plot to discredit him. I wonder where they get the conspiracy stuff from...

Personally, I don't know what else he could do to show his true colors, but I guess the illusion of "winning" for marginalized people is stronger than facing the reality of a highly flawed leader.

Disconcerting times indeed.

So you see a guy threaten a kid and for all you know has a gun, but you didn't say anything. Not even taking description or license plate and anonymously alert authorities?

That's brave. /s
- FoxMulder

Yes. In the brief 5-10 seconds this happened during, pausing in the middle of a busy parking lot, whipping out my camera in front of the guy and takingnpics seemed like the best way to avoid escalating things.

And as someone said, it happened so fast that I didn't have time to process and react that way. My only concern at that point was getting my daughter far away from a raving lunatic.

I'm sure you would have jumped onto a nearby phone booth, donned your cape, and punched the guy into the sun. You are such a wonderful champion of thr people.

Yes. In the brief 5-10 seconds this happened during, pausing in the middle of a busy parking lot, whipping out my camera in front of the guy and takingnpics seemed like the best way to avoid escalating things.

And as someone said, it happened so fast that I didn't have time to process and react that way. My only concern at that point was getting my daughter far away from a raving lunatic.

I'm sure you would have jumped onto a nearby phone booth, donned your cape, and punched the guy into the sun. You are such a wonderful champion of thr people.
- jmatchett383

You seem nice. And I have reported abuse anonymously after the fact. Lots of people do, thankfully.

What Tanner is clumsily trying to say, I think, is that there are a lot of knowns about Trump that are really bad (pathological lying, embracing racism/sexism) that a majority of his supporters deny, even in the face of evidence. For some of his supporters, it's true. David Duke is a fan, so are white nationalists, white supremacists, nazis and other fringe groups. A trump supporter just won a primary and she supports the QAnon conspiracy theory. There's a lot of unsavory people that are associated with this guy. So the question is, knowing this, and still supporting him, does that mean you endorse that behavior?


- FoxMulder

Some of this is so dumb, I'm not sure where to start. What you fail to realize is that what really matters is who he supports and what his policies are. For example, David Duke maybe a fan of Trumps, but Trump is not a fan of his. White nationalists may support him but he doesn't support them. In fact he has come out multiple times denouncing white supremacist groups. In fact, The Trump administration just recently put a white supremacist group on the terrorist watch list. So what you're stating there is really stupid.
That he embraces racism and sexism is patently false. Many Trump detractors fail to understand Trump. He is prone to hyperbole and misspeaks frequently on certain facts but that doesn't make him a pathological liar. That's just rhetoric. His is a promoter of himself and of the country. He most often tries to promote a positive outlook. That is his personality. He is not a polished speaking politician that says everything correct and accomplishes nothing. He is the opposite of that which is why I support him and overlook his flaws which don't effect my life.

In essence, what you've done is use opinion and post it as fact. Just like Tanner does. Please don't waste everyone's time by linking political biased websites and articles again.

Yes. In the brief 5-10 seconds this happened during, pausing in the middle of a busy parking lot, whipping out my camera in front of the guy and takingnpics seemed like the best way to avoid escalating things.

And as someone said, it happened so fast that I didn't have time to process and react that way. My only concern at that point was getting my daughter far away from a raving lunatic.

I'm sure you would have jumped onto a nearby phone booth, donned your cape, and punched the guy into the sun. You are such a wonderful champion of thr people.
- jmatchett383

Without a doubt, any parents first instinct and main focus would be to protect their child and remove them from the situation. Anyone who criticizes someone for that is an idiot.

Some of this is so dumb, I'm not sure where to start. What you fail to realize is that what really matters is who he supports and what his policies are. For example, David Duke maybe a fan of Trumps, but Trump is not a fan of his. White nationalists may support him but he doesn't support them. In fact he has come out multiple times denouncing white supremacist groups. In fact, The Trump administration just recently put a white supremacist group on the terrorist watch list. So what you're stating there is really stupid.
That he embraces racism and sexism is patently false. Many Trump detractors fail to understand Trump. He is prone to hyperbole and misspeaks frequently on certain facts but that doesn't make him a pathological liar. That's just rhetoric. His is a promoter of himself and of the country. He most often tries to promote a positive outlook. That is his personality. He is not a polished speaking politician that says everything correct and accomplishes nothing. He is the opposite of that which is why I support him and overlook his flaws which don't effect my life.

In essence, what you've done is use opinion and post it as fact. Just like Tanner does. Please don't waste everyone's time by linking political biased websites and articles again.
- MJL

Speak of the devil. Of course it's opinion, I clearly say "What Tanner is clumsily trying to say, I think..."

Thanks captain obvious. Oh and yes, I am alluding to you and you're ignorance in this opinion.

Speak of the devil. Of course it's opinion, I clearly say "What Tanner is clumsily trying to say, I think..."

Thanks captain obvious. Oh and yes, I am alluding to you and you're ignorance in this opinion.

- FoxMulder

My ignorance called out the faults and where your asinine post was wrong.
You posted in this manner as if your opinion was factual.

"What Tanner is clumsily trying to say, I think, is that there are a lot of knowns about Trump that are really bad (pathological lying, embracing racism/sexism) that a majority of his supporters deny, even in the face of evidence."

The evidence you may offer is rhetoric. What are you going to do, post links to Politico, CNN and MSNBC again?

So you can call me ignorant all you want. What the reality is that if we debate again, I'll hand your ass to you again and point out your ignorance.

I'll start here on whether Trump is a racist or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZw4pNdWXpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTPBK4BrNQ

https://www.washingtonexa...er-under-trump-than-obama

Another reason for the deep philosophical divide (as demonstrated above) is people continuing to use a straw man argument for a situation that isn't even complicated if you care enough to expend the mental effort to understand it.

Let's not even use names.

Leader option #1: Articulate, well-read, calm, controlled, politically correct and calculated. Almost always makes people feel good when he speaks. Policies are demonstrably beneficial for the corporate class. Speaks as though he cares for regular people, but in reality his policies show contempt for the middle class, hurting people quite visibly in a way they recognize implicitly through the anecdotal evidence of their very own existence. In effect, this person is a successful screen for policy agenda due to a strong competency in comforting rhetoric.

Citizen reaction: Anyone who is not impacted by the policy agenda is in a safe enough economic situation to be disconnected from the hurt it causes on everyone below them. When asked to weigh in on the leadership, will always describe it as good because of how it makes them feel. Citizens who do not support the policy and therefore leader are predictably scorned by the comfortable above them, because they can easily straw man the hot button issues (abortion, gun control, immigration, racism, etc) from a position of privilege. Cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy is rampant in this group because they refuse to relate to the hardships of others and would rather lazily label them as enemies.

Leader option #2: Poor speaker, not well-read, brash, unpredictable, crude and improvisational. Almost always makes people feel dirty when he speaks. Policies are also demonstrably beneficial for the corporate class. Makes campaign promises to benefit the downtrodden, and in reality lives up to many of these policies. Many people in the lower to middle class notice a tangible improvement in their lives through the anecdotal evidence of their very own existence. In effect, this person is a successful reflection and symptom (not cause) of the perpetual rot in society that has created a false sense of sides, when there is only one side. People. In effect, this person is a mirror to corruption, even though he participates in it himself. He shines a light on the institutional gridlock that results from putting on a puppet show while never representing the vast majority of people.

Citizen reaction: The comfortable citizens still have the privilege of caring how they feel about the image of leadership and how it reflects in the world, but this is because they don't have the same problems as those who would suffer any level of social embarrassment in order to gain even a slight uptick in economic stability. Those in comfort will react to this leader in the same way they would react to exposure therapy; this leader is too harsh a reality for them to accept as a reflection of themselves and the class warfare that is happening around them and which they contribute to. They can use PC and cancel culture to maintain moral superiority, but it crumbles under any level of scrutiny. The truth is, they refuse to live by any of the standards they demand. It is accountability for anyone by me. It causes the class warfare we continue to see, and it is stoked daily by media narratives and public talking points. It is propaganda at the most cynical level.

If we cannot understand that we are all pawns in a game, then we are lost. The intent is to prevent social cohesion, because that would be a true threat to power. How hard is it to accept that power is sustainable only when population can remain embattled in the us vs. them mentality of political party, religion, or moral dilemmas? Stop playing the game, or deal with the fact that you contribute to the problem. You are the collaborator. The only meaning you now get from your life is to compare yourself to a caricature of your fellow citizens based on manufactured narratives. Try for a single day to judge no one but yourself, and see how much actual moral progress you can make.

Some of this is so dumb, I'm not sure where to start. What you fail to realize is that what really matters is who he supports and what his policies are. For example, David Duke maybe a fan of Trumps, but Trump is not a fan of his. White nationalists may support him but he doesn't support them. In fact he has come out multiple times denouncing white supremacist groups. In fact, The Trump administration just recently put a white supremacist group on the terrorist watch list. So what you're stating there is really stupid.
That he embraces racism and sexism is patently false. Many Trump detractors fail to understand Trump. He is prone to hyperbole and misspeaks frequently on certain facts but that doesn't make him a pathological liar. That's just rhetoric. His is a promoter of himself and of the country. He most often tries to promote a positive outlook. That is his personality. He is not a polished speaking politician that says everything correct and accomplishes nothing. He is the opposite of that which is why I support him and overlook his flaws which don't effect my life.

In essence, what you've done is use opinion and post it as fact. Just like Tanner does. Please don't waste everyone's time by linking political biased websites and articles again.
- MJL

As much as I've learned that there is just no talking to you because something is clearly broken in your brain, I honestly just can't believe the excuses you tell yourself.

Like, I know what you're going to say - and you never let me down - but it still shocks me.

If we cannot understand that we are all pawns in a game, then we are lost. The intent is to prevent social cohesion, because that would be a true threat to power. How hard is it to accept that power is sustainable only when population can remain embattled in the us vs. them mentality of political party, religion, or moral dilemmas? Stop playing the game, or deal with the fact that you contribute to the problem. You are the collaborator. The only meaning you now get from your life is to compare yourself to a caricature of your fellow citizens based on manufactured narratives. Try for a single day to judge no one but yourself, and see how much actual moral progress you can make.
- TomDelongeAva

This right here.

As much as I've learned that there is just no talking to you because something is clearly broken in your brain, I honestly just can't believe the excuses you tell yourself.

Like, I know what you're going to say - and you never let me down - but it still shocks me.
- James_Tanner

Your post is empty. It's just empty space. No substance. This is what you're an expert in. Following the liberal far left playbook like a puppet, You don't respond otherwise because you can't. It went beyond your talking points.

If we cannot understand that we are all pawns in a game, then we are lost. The intent is to prevent social cohesion, because that would be a true threat to power. How hard is it to accept that power is sustainable only when population can remain embattled in the us vs. them mentality of political party, religion, or moral dilemmas? Stop playing the game, or deal with the fact that you contribute to the problem. You are the collaborator. The only meaning you now get from your life is to compare yourself to a caricature of your fellow citizens based on manufactured narratives. Try for a single day to judge no one but yourself, and see how much actual moral progress you can make.
- TomDelongeAva

You're conflating different things. As a voter, our job is to judge someone. That is politics. It's the only real time when we have a say. Now in your personal life and daily interactions, by all means follow your advice. Trump is the first President in a long time that is for the people. That had kept a large number of his promises. I can only imagine what he could accomplish without political parties getting in his way for the American people.

Here's a question anyone may answer. Growing up, one of my favourite TV shows was The Cosby Show. Now that we know what we know about Bill Cosby, does this make me a horrible person? Am I now known as a "known rape supporter?" How's this any different than Tanner calling people out as "known racists" for supporting Trump?

Well, to put it in the same category of what Tanner is saying, if you still supported Bill Cosby now, and actively promoted him as not being a deviant and state that none of the proven information about him was true, then yes, it's a similar situation. You'd in fact be supporting a rapist.

What Tanner is clumsily trying to say, I think, is that there are a lot of knowns about Trump that are really bad (pathological lying, embracing racism/sexism) that a majority of his supporters deny, even in the face of evidence. For some of his supporters, it's true. David Duke is a fan, so are white nationalists, white supremacists, nazis and other fringe groups. A trump supporter just won a primary and she supports the QAnon conspiracy theory. There's a lot of unsavory people that are associated with this guy. So the question is, knowing this, and still supporting him, does that mean you endorse that behavior?

You can make an argument that perhaps they don't and just aren't vocal about it. Guilt by association applies. But a good many supporters deny all of this as more of a "radical left wing" plot to discredit him. I wonder where they get the conspiracy stuff from...

Personally, I don't know what else he could do to show his true colors, but I guess the illusion of "winning" for marginalized people is stronger than facing the reality of a highly flawed leader.

Disconcerting times indeed.
- FoxMulder

The racist/sexist/etc. thing always confuses me. Trump doesn't discriminate against anyone. If you attack him, or go against what he wants he is going to attack. It is a bit childish and not something that I would prefer in a leader, but it is not discriminatory in any way. How many straight white guys has he unloaded on? It's got nothing to do with skin pigmentation, where you were born, or how one identifies. It is a simple on/off switch.

You're conflating different things. As a voter, our job is to judge someone. That is politics. It's the only real time when we have a say. Now in your personal life and daily interactions, by all means follow your advice. Trump is the first President in a long time that is for the people. That had kept a large number of his promises. I can only imagine what he could accomplish without political parties getting in his way for the American people.

Yes, and no. I think I understand your point, and I mainly refer to judgements between citizens as the main issue. I concede that voting is a type of judgement and that citizens should care about the policies and the moral standards of their leaders. However, how can we agree on that but also prevent the situation where one is constantly dismissed for the other, or when the moral standards are irrelevant or a fabrication for propaganda purposes?

The racist/sexist/etc. thing always confuses me. Trump doesn't discriminate against anyone. If you attack him, or go against what he wants he is going to attack. It is a bit childish and not something that I would prefer in a leader, but it is not discriminatory in any way. How many straight white guys has he unloaded on? It's got nothing to do with skin pigmentation, where you were born, or how one identifies. It is a simple on/off switch.
- Chunk

Exactly!

You're conflating different things. As a voter, our job is to judge someone. That is politics. It's the only real time when we have a say. Now in your personal life and daily interactions, by all means follow your advice. Trump is the first President in a long time that is for the people. That had kept a large number of his promises. I can only imagine what he could accomplish without political parties getting in his way for the American people.
- MJL

Trump is for Trump, you underdeveloped ignoramus.
Just like every other political figure.
They're all self serving wieners.
The fact that you argue with a Hockey blogger about it so passionately(and misinformed) just shows how dumb you really are.
But please keep going. Your takes are fun to read while I'm pushing out one of your kinfolk.
You're such a dolt.

Yes, and no. I think I understand your point, and I mainly refer to judgements between citizens as the main issue. I concede that voting is a type of judgement and that citizens should care about the policies and the moral standards of their leaders. However, how can we agree on that but also prevent the situation where one is constantly dismissed for the other, or when the moral standards are irrelevant or a fabrication for propaganda purposes?
- TomDelongeAva

Absolutely. Unfortunately we have a corrupt media that drives the narrative. It's one of the great travesties of this country. Trump could find a cure for cancer and if more white people are cured than minorities, he would be labeled a racist. When he makes a factual statement that at a protest that went bad in the Carolina's that there were some good people also there, he is now a white supremacist. It's propaganda and a distortion of the facts for political purposes. When that happens frequently, it should absolutely be dismissed. Like I said the other day, nothing wrong with being left or right of center. It's when you go far off the center that is the issue. When you put gaining and keeping power before the needs of the people, that should be fought and dismissed.

Trump is for Trump, you underdeveloped ignoramus.
Just like every other political figure.
They're all self serving wieners.
The fact that you argue with a Hockey blogger about it so passionately(and misinformed) just shows how dumb you really are.
But please keep going. Your takes are fun to read while I'm pushing out one of your kinfolk.
You're such a dolt.
- shoreorrpark

Why do you embarrass yourself like this? Your comments are nothing that I need to take seriously.