Fair enough, it's not my argument. What I was talking about is using heavily right leaning, or heavily left leaning for that matter, sources to "prove" a point. It's just not a useful way to discuss an issue. I agree that it's hard to prove a person is racist, I'm sure people can be racist is certain areas of their life and not others.

I personally don't know if he's racist, though one thing that I think both sides would agree on is that a decent portion of his base has shown blatant racist tendencies. Much more than on the left. That doesn't mean he's racist or all of the people who voted for him are racist, is just is what it is.
- 13sundin13

Please quantify and show evidence that a decent portion of his base has shown blatant racist tendencies. You need to start providing some factual information to support your statements. It's just far left radical rhetoric.
If a known racist votes for and supports Trump, does that make Trump a racist?


Here is some other reading for you.

https://www.bloomberg.com...cally-good-for-minorities

https://www.chicagotribun...-progress-0822-story.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019...oing-positive-things.html

https://www.rasmussenrepo..._obama_but_more_is_needed

https://www.desmoinesregi...iowa-caucuses/3649719002/

Please quantify and show evidence that a decent portion of his base has shown blatant racist tendencies. You need to start providing some factual information to support your statements. It's just far left radical rhetoric.
If a known racist votes for and supports Trump, does that make Trump a racist?
- MJL

Don Lemon said he is. There's your proof.

Boom!

Don Lemon said he is. There's your proof.

Boom!
- rrentz

I want to know how many registered Democrat voters, who are potentially voters for Joe Biden, have committed a crime? That would mean they have blatant criminal tendencies and therefore by proxy, Biden is a criminal. Don't Democrats want to give the right to vote to convicted felons?

I doubt it considering I'm male. I'm guessing that if he and I met, he would simply say, "who the heck is that guy?" and move along. I never said he wasn't an a$$hole. In my anecdotal and limited knowledge/experience of him (second hand), he was/is a jerk.

The vast majority of guys say things behind closed doors that would make anyone cringe. That, in and of itself, does not make one sexist. It's not like he is making any cabinet or policy decisions because he hates women.

As others have either said or alluded to, he is not a refined speaker (or person) by any stretch of the imagination. He is childish and responds to simple name calling. I don't get upset with the way he speaks (or tweets) because I know that he is bad at it. I'm much more interested in the policies and executive orders he endorses/executes. Some I've liked, others I've hated. Regardless of the old adage, I don't think you can please anyone all the time.
- Chunk

Actually, it absolutely, 100% per cent makes them sexist. Being sexist is not determined by whether or not you get into trouble. It is determined by what you think is proper treatment of someone and whether their gender is a deciding factor.

It's like saying that if Bill Cosby hadn't gotten caught he would not be a rapist.

This statement makes zero sense. There is no right wing slant. There is only the facts in highlighting what Trump has done for minorities. Unless you think the actual facts are right wing! LOL




You don't need to explain what you mean. You're simply wrong. The facts are the facts. Your comments are asinine. How is pointing out what Trump has done for minorities, with no spin or commentary, just the raw facts going through a filter of right wing bias? I'm not going backwards. I'm dispelling the myth that Trump is a racist.



More ridiculous nonsense. So what your saying is that facts that show the President is not racist, don't count? The only logical fallacy here is from you. Address the facts.




I disagree. You're entitled to your opinion but there is a big hole in your posts. You lack content and lack facts.
- MJL

There you are, continuing to be ignorant.
The guy laid it all out for you in simple terms and you still won't accept it.
There's no help for the helpless MJL. Although it surely helps show your retardation in this, and frankly, all matters you choose to expose yourself on.

Actually, it absolutely, 100% per cent makes them sexist. Being sexist is not determined by whether or not you get into trouble. It is determined by what you think is proper treatment of someone and whether their gender is a deciding factor.

It's like saying that if Bill Cosby hadn't gotten caught he would not be a rapist.
- Tonybere

Where you go wrong is thinking that a few comments determine that a person is sexist. Pretty much everyone talks that way on occasion, including women. How you actually treat people is what matters.

Here we go again equating a statement with actually committing a crime.

"I'm gonna kill you! " means you're a murderer. "I'm gonna kick your ass" means you're guilty of assault.

Where you go wrong is thinking that a few comments determine that a person is sexist. Pretty much everyone talks that way on occasion, including women. How you actually treat people is what matters.

Here we go again equating a statement with actually committing a crime.

"I'm gonna kill you! " means you're a murderer. "I'm gonna kick your ass" means you're guilty of assault.
- MJL

If you claim to have graduated grade eight, I honestly wouldn't believe you.

If you claim to have graduated grade eight, I honestly wouldn't believe you.
- James_Tanner

Says the guy commenting like an 8th grader. I'm graciously giving you more credit than you deserve.

There is a simple lesson here for you Tanner. If you don't like being embarrassed, stop posting political content in your blog.

(Apologize for insulting 8th graders. My nephew is an 8th grader. He is far more intelligent than you are, Tanner)

Actually, it absolutely, 100% per cent makes them sexist. Being sexist is not determined by whether or not you get into trouble. It is determined by what you think is proper treatment of someone and whether their gender is a deciding factor.

It's like saying that if Bill Cosby hadn't gotten caught he would not be a rapist.
- Tonybere

I guess it would be better to get your definition of what being sexist entails, but OK let's run with this. The difference between what I said and what Bill Cosby did is that Cosby acted on it. Simply saying something does not make one sexist (it may make you a jerk though). People make jokes (whether in poor taste or not). If there is evidence that someone makes a decision or performs and act that is specifically because of someone's gender, then yeah, that's sexist.

What if he thought it but didn't say it out loud? Thought crime now?

It's not about what we think. It's about what you think. It's proven that you're a prejudicial person.
- MJL

Amen, bigest bigot I've seen in awhile. LMAO Imagine deciding who's a good person by politcal party. Not even an American, STFU Tanner, ignornant ####.

I want to know how many registered Democrat voters, who are potentially voters for Joe Biden, have committed a crime? That would mean they have blatant criminal tendencies and therefore by proxy, Biden is a criminal. Don't Democrats want to give the right to vote to convicted felons?
- MJL

Joe Biden on live interview to black voter.

"If you can't decide between me or Trump, then you ain't black"

WOW

Talk about identity politics

If you claim to have graduated grade eight, I honestly wouldn't believe you.
- James_Tanner

Tanner!! Did you save all those pennies from my posts and buy you kid an ice cream cone yet?

Come on man. Get him some Mr. Softer.

My treat

Joe Biden on live interview to black voter.

"If you can't decide between me or Trump, then you ain't black"

WOW

Talk about identity politics
- rrentz

You know, he made a dumb statement. I don't believe that Biden is a racist.

You know, he made a dumb statement. I don't believe that Biden is a racist.
- MJL

Same here.

I guess it would be better to get your definition of what being sexist entails, but OK let's run with this. The difference between what I said and what Bill Cosby did is that Cosby acted on it. Simply saying something does not make one sexist (it may make you a jerk though). People make jokes (whether in poor taste or not). If there is evidence that someone makes a decision or performs and act that is specifically because of someone's gender, then yeah, that's sexist.

What if he thought it but didn't say it out loud? Thought crime now?
- Chunk

I get that, absolutely. TBH, I had a crazy day of work and couldn't take the time to write out a full debate. Shouldn't have even been here!
My comment was not that saying something degrading about a particular gender makes one sexist. It is whether or not you have opinions that they are inferior which guide your actions and/or comments.
Making the comments, regardless of where it is, perpetuates the attitude and is a part of the problem, not the solution. It's 2020! We should know better than this by now.
I'm not saying I am perfect, or the like has never escaped my lips. But, I am conscious of it and usually find a better way to express myself without much trouble.
I have a close friend who too often uses the term "gay" to describe an idea he disagrees with. I know he's not a homophobe and says he doesn't mean anything by it. But, I still call him on it and try to have a discussion about how that keeps a stigma alive. I would have trouble looking my gay relatives and friends in the eye if I didn't.

I get that, absolutely. TBH, I had a crazy day of work and couldn't take the time to write out a full debate. Shouldn't have even been here!
My comment was not that saying something degrading about a particular gender makes one sexist. It is whether or not you have opinions that they are inferior which guide your actions and/or comments.
Making the comments, regardless of where it is, perpetuates the attitude and is a part of the problem, not the solution. It's 2020! We should know better than this by now.
I'm not saying I am perfect, or the like has never escaped my lips. But, I am conscious of it and usually find a better way to express myself without much trouble.
I have a close friend who too often uses the term "gay" to describe an idea he disagrees with. I know he's not a homophobe and says he doesn't mean anything by it. But, I still call him on it and try to have a discussion about how that keeps a stigma alive. I would have trouble looking my gay relatives and friends in the eye if I didn't.
- Tonybere

PC police alert. A big problem in this country is that people are too easily offended and find way too many things offensive.

I get that, absolutely. TBH, I had a crazy day of work and couldn't take the time to write out a full debate. Shouldn't have even been here!
My comment was not that saying something degrading about a particular gender makes one sexist. It is whether or not you have opinions that they are inferior which guide your actions and/or comments.
Making the comments, regardless of where it is, perpetuates the attitude and is a part of the problem, not the solution. It's 2020! We should know better than this by now.
I'm not saying I am perfect, or the like has never escaped my lips. But, I am conscious of it and usually find a better way to express myself without much trouble.
I have a close friend who too often uses the term "gay" to describe an idea he disagrees with. I know he's not a homophobe and says he doesn't mean anything by it. But, I still call him on it and try to have a discussion about how that keeps a stigma alive. I would have trouble looking my gay relatives and friends in the eye if I didn't.
- Tonybere

Actual conversation? Fun! The only issue I have with what is said here are the bolded. Opinions are mostly inherent and not really conscious (and often built or backed by ignorance). Opinions typically change when presented with counter arguments (ex. if I think all women are slow and then get beaten by them in a race, that opinion changes - whether I like it or not).

The second part is likely driven mostly by my own personality. I don't take anyone's comments at face value unless there is a solid basis for their claim. I also consider who I'm speaking with and realize that they may use a notably different vernacular. If someone repeatedly says those kind of words as a means of eliciting a response, well, that person is a tool. If it is just a reflexive term they use because they have their whole life, I'll realize that and move along in the conversation. Would I prefer it if they didn't? Yes, but I'm not going to hold it against them (again, this is simply the way I view things). I can understand your point and why you feel that way, I just don't think it is particularly critical.

Fun talk on a hockey blog!! Enjoy the weekend everyone!

Actual conversation? Fun! The only issue I have with what is said here are the bolded. Opinions are mostly inherent and not really conscious (and often built or backed by ignorance). Opinions typically change when presented with counter arguments (ex. if I think all women are slow and then get beaten by them in a race, that opinion changes - whether I like it or not).

The second part is likely driven mostly by my own personality. I don't take anyone's comments at face value unless there is a solid basis for their claim. I also consider who I'm speaking with and realize that they may use a notably different vernacular. If someone repeatedly says those kind of words as a means of eliciting a response, well, that person is a tool. If it is just a reflexive term they use because they have their whole life, I'll realize that and move along in the conversation. Would I prefer it if they didn't? Yes, but I'm not going to hold it against them (again, this is simply the way I view things). I can understand your point and why you feel that way, I just don't think it is particularly critical.

Fun talk on a hockey blog!! Enjoy the weekend everyone!
- Chunk

I'm with you on this. The context he gave using the word, there was no malicious intent there. No deliberate attempt to offend someone.

I'm with you on this. The context he gave using the word, there was no malicious intent there. No deliberate attempt to offend someone.
- MJL

My point is proven by the fact that you see no malicious intent.
Would anyone think it ok to say "That's a stupid idea. Why would I ever do that? That's like being black!"? Or Mexican? Chinese? Russian? Jewish? No?
Then why is it acceptable to make a negative statement by calling it gay? It's derogatory by nature.
The insult is so ingrained in our culture that large portions of the population don't even see it as one.

My point is proven by the fact that you see no malicious intent.
Would anyone think it ok to say "That's a stupid idea. Why would I ever do that? That's like being black!"? Or Mexican? Chinese? Russian? Jewish? No?
Then why is it acceptable to make a negative statement by calling it gay? It's derogatory by nature.
The insult is so ingrained in our culture that large portions of the population don't even see it as one.
- Tonybere

No it's not. The intent is not to degrade people due to their sexual orientation. That's where were at in our society. There is a movement that wants to control what people are allowed to say and think. They want to mold our children in the way that they want you to think. We have to tear down statues that have been up for who knows how long because they're now offensive. We're creating a generation of snowflakes who are easily hurt and wounded due to simple words and need safe spaces. Everything is becoming "offensive". Toughen up and deal with real world issues not invented one like what you described. If I was that friend I'd tell you to go to hell if you don't like it. It's completely out of control.

My point is proven by the fact that you see no malicious intent.
Would anyone think it ok to say "That's a stupid idea. Why would I ever do that? That's like being black!"? Or Mexican? Chinese? Russian? Jewish? No?
Then why is it acceptable to make a negative statement by calling it gay? It's derogatory by nature.
The insult is so ingrained in our culture that large portions of the population don't even see it as one.
- Tonybere

(not speaking for anyone else here)

I wouldn't call it acceptable, but the word has different connotations depending on who is using it. For some, in this particular instance, there typically is not a lot of correlation to a group of people, regardless of how it started being used. It is just another way of saying they don't like something. I don't agree with it, or use it. There will always be people that say things (even just single words) that I don't agree with. If it gets excessive or makes my friends or family uncomfortable, I'll let them know. If it continues, I simply stop associating with them. However, I'm not ever going to tell anyone how they have to speak. As I would never want anyone telling me what I can or cannot say. There will always be personal consequences. I would like for there to be less theft in the world, but there is only so much that can be done.

does MJL really think he's the radical right darth vader?

does MJL really think he's the radical right darth vader?
- hawkra

Probably not, but he certainly thinks he’s always right.

...but, he’s not.
I’m gonna go cry now, ‘cause I’m a snowflake.

does MJL really think he's the radical right darth vader?
- hawkra

There isn't anything radical about my positions.

Probably not, but he certainly thinks he’s always right.

...but, he’s not.
I’m gonna go cry now, ‘cause I’m a snowflake.
- Tonybere

No, I don't think I'm always right. In the conversation about Trump, I'm certainly correct that he is not a racist and I backed that belief up with facts.
In the other conversation I had with you on calling something offensive, it's not that I'm right, it's what my opinion is. That I have the right to have that opinion without others telling me what I have to find offensive. So does your friend and who are you to tell him what he should find offensive?
In closing, I did not refer to you as a snowflake, so you're being disingenuous with that comment.