She probably didn’t want to admit that the plan all along was to retool for the first two years of his tenure.

Like common our big UFA headliner the first season he was here was Benoit Pouliot. He was willing to let the chips fall where they may but I’m sure he was planning on picking top 10 that year and certainly didn’t do anything about it while we were on our way to securing Dahlin.

Then he’s forced to trade ROR and the headline of the trade are futures. Sure I think all of us at least though Sobotka would be a worthwhile bottom 6 player and Berglund could at least give a Mojo type performance as the 2C but anytime you trade a prominent roster player and the most important pieces of the haul are a prospect and first rounder that won’t contribute that year ? You aren’t competing that year.

Then on top of that he sat on his hands while the team won 10 straight games and didn’t try to add to the roster. The wheels fall off the bus and welcome to Buffalo Dylan Cozens.

This year was the first year I can buy that he actually tried to win and all moves indicated this offseason being the one to turn the franchises around, or at least I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Then he went and traded Scandella for Frolik and traded for Wayne Simmonds and completely botched the remaining of the season and made life more difficult this offseason.
- Pegullaville

The only problem I have with the Simmonds move is the salary hit. That was goofy, however he may get off the hook depending upon how the NHL works the cap, LTIR and bonuses for '19-'20.

I'd take Simmonds back on a reasonable $2M or less. 1yr deal for a bottom-six, leadership role

Those of us who have been tired of this poop since the offseason when Botterill was hoarding defensemen because he 'liked the team's defensive depth' when there were glaring needs at forward/center welcome you with open arms sir.
- kingcong39

I was definitely excited and cautiously optimistic to start the season. Gaffe after gaffe, and there's hardly a reason to list all of them, was just exhausting. We're down on the mat and just keep getting punched in the head. I just don't want to get up anymore. I don't remember the last time I didn't give a poop about the draft. Or really anything that has to do with this team. Let me know when there's real, honest change.

Those of us who have been tired of this poop since the offseason when Botterill was hoarding defensemen because he 'liked the team's defensive depth' when there were glaring needs at forward/center welcome you with open arms sir.
- kingcong39

None of the d-men he "hoarded" would've landed the center they needed

Perfect way to end another tire fire of a season for a completely inept organization.

I wouldnt blame jack if he started looking elsewhere.

You can go f*ck yourself kaiser.
- Boss34

You have very thin skin Cookies.

Blow everybody else poop, but you get a little poke and act like somebody killed you.

Thin skin.
- Der Kaiser


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...post_id=20273563#20273563
- homiedclown

The State of Florida does not consider this "looking for work."

The State of Florida does not consider this "looking for work."
- Der Kaiser

😂

None of the d-men he "hoarded" would've landed the center they needed
- Michael Pachla

It's really less about the trade value for real talent, but the (frank)ing fact that not only did Zach Bogosion stay on this (frank)ing team three years too long, is that they had OVERAGES that were COMPLETELY in his control. But no, he needs 11 NHL defensemen where half of them suck (frank)ing ass for a 25th place team.

(frank) off Jason, (frank) off.

It's really less about the trade value for real talent, but the (frank)ing fact that not only did Zach Bogosion stay on this (frank)ing team three years too long, is that they had OVERAGES that were COMPLETELY in his control. But no, he needs 11 NHL defensemen where half of them suck (frank)ing ass for a 25th place team.

(frank) off Jason, (frank) off.
- TheSabresTaco

People keep mentioning excess d-men and lack of centers (read #2) in the same sentence. They also forget that Bogo, Montour and Pilut, were on the injured list to start the season

People keep mentioning excess d-men and lack of centers (read #2) in the same sentence. They also forget that Montour and Pilut, were on the bogo list to start the season
- Michael Pachla

Ftfy.

Does the above really matter though? The structural problem existed before during and after those three injuries. Is your contention that temporary blue line injuries necessitated not making a trade? That's a poor way to operate. What you're describing is a short term benefit of a long term problem. When miller is scratched and montour is playing LW: Houston, we have a problem

😂
- Michael Pachla

Sometimes I try to do things
And it just doesn't work out the way I wanted to
And I get real frustrated
And I'm like, I try hard to do it
And I'm like, take my time
And it doesn't work out the way I wanted to
It's like, I concentrate on real hard but it doesn't work out
And everything I do and everything I try it never turns out
It's like, I need time to figure these things out
There's always someone there going, 'Hey, Kaiser
You know, we've been noticing
You've been having a lot of problems lately'
'You know, you should, maybe, get away
And like, maybe you should talk about it, you'll feel a lot better'
And I go, 'No, it's okay, you know I'll figure it out
Just leave me alone I'll figure it out
You know I'll just work it out myself'
And they go, 'Well you know if you want to talk about it
I'll be here you know and you'll probably feel a lot better
If you talked about it, so why don't you talk about it'
I go, 'No, I don't want to I'm okay, I'll figure it out myself'
And they just keep bugging me and they just keep bugging me
And it builds up inside


I was in my room and I was just like staring at the wall
Thinking about everything
But then again I was thinking about nothing
And then my wife came in and I didn't even know she was there
She called my name and I didn't even hear it
And then she started screaming, 'Kaiser, Kaiser!'
And I go, 'What, what's the matter"
And she goes, 'What's the matter with you"
I go, 'There's nothing wrong, just leave me alone'
And she goes, 'Don't tell me that, you're on drugs'
I go, 'No, I'm not on drugs, I'm okay
I was just thinking you know, why don't you get me a Pepsi'
And she goes, 'No, you're on drugs
I go, 'I'm okay, I'm just thinking'
She goes, 'No you're not thinking, you're on drugs
Normal people don't act that way'
I go, 'Just give me a Pepsi, please'
All I want is a Pepsi and she wouldn't give it to me
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi
And she wouldn't give it to me, just a Pepsi

The Brickyard Brewery heard Jason Botterill is returning for a 4th season and that Kim knows more than the fans.

Ftfy.

Does the above really matter though? The structural problem existed before during and after those three injuries. Is your contention that temporary blue line injuries necessitated not making a trade? That's a poor way to operate. What you're describing is a short term benefit of a long term problem. When miller is scratched and montour is playing LW: Houston, we have a problem
- jcragcrumple

this was their starting six:

dahlin-miller
McCabe-risto
Scandella-joker

john Gilmour was the seventh d-man...

first off, are you going to (could you) trade one of the injured?...and second, who amongst that group above are you going to trade...

and finally, this was your d-group starting in Rochester:

Redmond, MacWilliam, Nelson, Borgen, Fitzgerald, Bryson

make your preseason trades

this was their starting six:

dahlin-miller
McCabe-risto
Scandella-joker

john Gilmour was the seventh d-man...

first off, are you going to (could you) trade one of the injured?...and second, who amongst that group above are you going to trade...

and finally, this was your d-group starting in Rochester:

Redmond, MacWilliam, Nelson, Borgen, Fitzgerald, Bryson

make your preseason trades
- Michael Pachla

My only counter to this would be Ristolainen was a prime candidate to get moved, but Botterill supposedly didn't want to do it. Hindsight is 20/20 but that probably was a sign of [bad] things to come.

None of the d-men he "hoarded" would've landed the center they needed
- Michael Pachla

Not by themselves, no, but as part of a trade? Yes.

My only counter to this would be Ristolainen was a prime candidate to get moved, but Botterill supposedly didn't want to do it. Hindsight is 20/20 but that probably was a sign of
- buffalofan19[bad] things to come.

fair enough...however, in the context of too many defensemen, if you take him out Gilmour goes into the top-six and Borgen becomes the no. 7

not sure i'm good with that

this was their starting six:

dahlin-miller
McCabe-risto
Scandella-joker

john Gilmour was the seventh d-man...

first off, are you going to (could you) trade one of the injured?...and second, who amongst that group above are you going to trade...

and finally, this was your d-group starting in Rochester:

Redmond, MacWilliam, Nelson, Borgen, Fitzgerald, Bryson

make your preseason trades
- Michael Pachla

So your answer was be more concerned about the short term then the long term based on the above...?

I haven't seen justification of keeping Zach Bogosion on the Buffalo Sabres for as long as he had been, yet.

fair enough...however, in the context of too many defensemen, if you take him out Gilmour goes into the top-six and Borgen becomes the no. 7

not sure i'm good with that
- Michael Pachla

It was only until their defensemen that were injured became ready to play, and much more importantly, it's about the long term gain of addressing seasons (plural) long glaring needs at forward.

Also, where does Simmonds fit if there is no opening on the 4th line? He's not good enough or impactful enough to play on the 3rd line or higher.

this was their starting six:

dahlin-miller
McCabe-risto
Scandella-joker

john Gilmour was the seventh d-man...

first off, are (could) you going to trade one of the injured?...and second, who amongst that group above are you going to trade...

and finally, this was your d-group starting in Rochester:

Redmond, MacWilliam, Nelson, Borgen, Fitzgerald, Bryson

make your preseason trades
- Michael Pachla

Nelson could have played 5-10 games without killing the team. Borgen likewise. I really don't know what you're going for here. Montour was back by what, November?

It was plainly obvious the roster was completely unbalanced in July. Not making a move because the 3 you named were hurt just made the problem look better for a month. Now in addition to that excuse, there's "they didn't know Joker would make the team," "botterill probably wouldn't have traded for Miller if he knew he'd get joker," "there was no market for Risto," etc., etc.

Thats all well and good, but the bottom line is the imbalance was there and obvious and the GM either didn't pick up on it, or he thought it would somehow solve itself. However you want to rationalize it, surely you agree that it was a problem this year?

fair enough...however, in the context of too many defensemen, if you take him out Gilmour goes into the top-six and Borgen becomes the no. 7

not sure i'm good with that
- Michael Pachla

I gotta tell ya Pachs, I'm not jiving with your position of short term benefit over long term failure.

We can look at it in week long, month long, year long, multi year long segments, but at the end of the day, Jason Botterill hoarded defensemen, some of them unworthy of NHL minutes, and created a serious cap problem by doing so.

THEN he goes about trading the recently servicable Scandella, which is fine in of itself, for a 4th (ok at the time, v cool MTL got a 2nd) for an even less servicable forward. Gaffes on gaffes.

Regarding the short term injuries, I think those are things you roll with if it means not going over the cap by way of bad players.

Or you could go back to June and say, well poop, Casey Mittelstadt, if I had a brain, is probably not ready. He starts at 2C though. All set there. let's trade one of these 18 dmen? Nah (frank) that. Get more.

It comes down to bad management. Constant, bad management.

Sometimes I try to do things
And it just doesn't work out the way I wanted to
And I get real frustrated
And I'm like, I try hard to do it
And I'm like, take my time
And it doesn't work out the way I wanted to
It's like, I concentrate on real hard but it doesn't work out
And everything I do and everything I try it never turns out
It's like, I need time to figure these things out
There's always someone there going, 'Hey, Kaiser
You know, we've been noticing
You've been having a lot of problems lately'
'You know, you should, maybe, get away
And like, maybe you should talk about it, you'll feel a lot better'
And I go, 'No, it's okay, you know I'll figure it out
Just leave me alone I'll figure it out
You know I'll just work it out myself'
And they go, 'Well you know if you want to talk about it
I'll be here you know and you'll probably feel a lot better
If you talked about it, so why don't you talk about it'
I go, 'No, I don't want to I'm okay, I'll figure it out myself'
And they just keep bugging me and they just keep bugging me
And it builds up inside


I was in my room and I was just like staring at the wall
Thinking about everything
But then again I was thinking about nothing
And then my wife came in and I didn't even know she was there
She called my name and I didn't even hear it
And then she started screaming, 'Kaiser, Kaiser!'
And I go, 'What, what's the matter"
And she goes, 'What's the matter with you"
I go, 'There's nothing wrong, just leave me alone'
And she goes, 'Don't tell me that, you're on drugs'
I go, 'No, I'm not on drugs, I'm okay
I was just thinking you know, why don't you get me a Pepsi'
And she goes, 'No, you're on drugs
I go, 'I'm okay, I'm just thinking'
She goes, 'No you're not thinking, you're on drugs
Normal people don't act that way'
I go, 'Just give me a Pepsi, please'
All I want is a Pepsi and she wouldn't give it to me
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi
And she wouldn't give it to me, just a Pepsi
- Der Kaiser

Dude, sounds like you have Suicidal Tendencies and should seek some help ...

fair enough...however, in the context of too many defensemen, if you take him out Gilmour goes into the top-six and Borgen becomes the no. 7

not sure i'm good with that
- Michael Pachla

If we're talking about injuries to defensemen, and Ristolainen could have brought back a legitimate #2 center, either by himself or in a package, I think you could have tread water until Montour and/or Pilut came back. I think overall you would have seen a net improvement in the standings, even if you don't get the hot start that you had in October.

This, of course, assumes Ristolainen's trade value is high enough, which has been a debate both locally and nationally for quite a while now.

If we're talking about injuries to defensemen, and Ristolainen could have brought back a legitimate #2 center, either by himself or in a package, I think you could have tread water until Montour and/or Pilut came back. I think overall you would have seen a net improvement in the standings, even if you don't get the hot start that you had in October.

This, of course, assumes Ristolainen's trade value is high enough, which has been a debate both locally and nationally for quite a while now.
- buffalofan19

This is the information Kim is hoarding. She knows the true value of her players throughout the league. I bet they're impressed that Jason didn't trade Risto for a 3rd.

So your answer was be more concerned about the short term then the long term based on the above...?
- kingcong39

what's so short-term about keeping nhl defensemen while the injured heal?...

and, who's to say that the player desired was a.) available and b.) could be attained at a fair price

This is the information Kim is hoarding. She knows the true value of her players throughout the league. I bet they're impressed that Jason didn't trade Risto for a 3rd.
- TheSabresTaco

You gots to 'preciate a man who doesn't act on impulse...