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I find it absurd that my local Wal-Mart can have hundreds if not a thousand plus people in and out on a daily basis but an NHL team and staff can't practice at a hockey rink.
- MJL

AGREED

Are the increases in infections due to infections increasing, or are there more infections because there is more testing being done? NY City is seeing a reduction.

https://www.newsweek.com/...es-reopening-gets-1506081
- MJL

I would SUGGEST people follow the infection rate more than the positive test. I think the guide was under 10% for phase one

I find it absurd that my local Wal-Mart can have hundreds if not a thousand plus people in and out on a daily basis but an NHL team and staff can't practice at a hockey rink.
- MJL

Post of 2020

I think I'm more interested in seeing how they let the European players travel if they were quarantined in their respective countries.

Had their been a travel ban? And if so has it been lifted?

I think I'm more interested in seeing how they let the European players travel if they were quarantined in their respective countries.

Had their been a travel ban? And if so has it been lifted?
- Pelle31Forever

The United States Acting Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad Wolf, signed an order which exempts pro athletes from any proclamations barring their entry to the US.

"Professional sporting events provide much needed economic benefits, but equally important, they provide community pride and national unity," Wolf said in a statement released by DHS. "In today's environment, Americans need their sports. It's time to reopen the economy and it’s time we get our professional athletes back to work."

The DHS will work with the leagues "to identify the specific athletes, essential staff, team and league leadership, spouses, and dependents covered by this exemption."

I would SUGGEST people follow the infection rate more than the positive test. I think the guide was under 10% for phase one
- wcorvette

I think I'm more interested in seeing how they let the European players travel if they were quarantined in their respective countries.

Had their been a travel ban? And if so has it been lifted?
- Pelle31Forever

Private jets

Personal responsibility goes for those under 65 also. Jefferson would not be a big fan of sacrificing human life to just to get the economy going. It is a bad situation. The economy has been devastated and the way back is uncharted. The worse thing that could happen is a resurgence in areas where the virus has declined. I've heard over and over about how the job losses and poor economy are causing drug abuse and suicides. I don't doubt it. But do you know what also causes a host of sociological problems? A $7.50 minimum wage to the minimal extreme and stagnant wages in general. Workers in this country have been squeezed for generations. So I roll my eyes a bit when I hear that some of our leaders are all of a sudden very concerned about mental health. I've come to really appreciate this board. Not only do we have hockey experts, we also have infectious disease experts, economists, historians and sociologists. And they really sound like they know what they're talking about. So please indulge me, I'm just a dope trying to soak it all in.

It's not so much about the people going out, it's about the people they'll interact with after going out, like a person over 65.
- jmatchett383

How you doing, matches? I hope well.

I'm going to presume that anyone who can potentially infect an older or more vulnerable person behave accordingly. Some won't but most will. Take me for example, my 77 year old mother in law is wheelchair bound and has other issues. No one in my family will be crowded situations for extended periods. But that doesn't mean others have to alter their behavior because of me. All I'm saying is to let free people make free decisions for themselves as we mostly have done for the better part of 240+ years. Besides, to suggest that there isn't an alternative cost in health because of these shutdowns is ignorant of reality. Not suggesting that applies to you, but it does seem that so many are willfully ignoring these consequences.

At the rate they’re going, I don’t see how this is going to work. So “phase 2” which doesn’t even feature entire teams on the ice or full practices might start in early June?

It seems like the best case scenario now is that actual games start in early to mid July and the Cup is awarded in early to mid September. Then what, start the next season a couple weeks prior to Christmas?

It’s getting silly at this point.
- BiggE

It should permanently alter the seasons going forward.

I am fine with it too. If they start in Dec and it goes thru July.....

If we can put a man on the moon, we can prevent whatever reason ice is no good in hot months.

Post of 2020
- SuperSchennBros

Unfortunately Wal Mart would not be on the hook for the positive cases, proving THAT and proving segregated NHL staff/players being infected due to.....might be easier.

That the teams probably would is the only thing I can think of.

Personal responsibility goes for those under 65 also. Jefferson would not be a big fan of sacrificing human life to just to get the economy going. It is a bad situation. The economy has been devastated and the way back is uncharted. The worse thing that could happen is a resurgence in areas where the virus has declined. I've heard over and over about how the job losses and poor economy are causing drug abuse and suicides. I don't doubt it. But do you know what also causes a host of sociological problems? A $7.50 minimum wage to the minimal extreme and stagnant wages in general. Workers in this country have been squeezed for generations. So I roll my eyes a bit when I hear that some of our leaders are all of a sudden very concerned about mental health. I've come to really appreciate this board. Not only do we have hockey experts, we also have infectious disease experts, economists, historians and sociologists. And they really sound like they know what they're talking about. So please indulge me, I'm just a dope trying to soak it all in.
- Gogol

Hi Gogol. Thanks for the input. You're right. This is a hockey board, and since we all want hockey back, it's fair game to discuss what's causing this shutdown. Further, just because we talk hockey doesn't mean that some people actually take the time to study what the heck all of this stuff is about, not just to take the word of TV news channels. There are actually a large number of highly regarding scientists and doctors who have been studying 3 months of data and how this virus works. Who it affects, why, and how. These are people like the head of epidemiology at Stanford University, or others with similar credentials that have been largely stifled by big tech and mainstream media because they counter the popular narrative of shutting down the economy. But the truth is that as we get more and more data every day, this WuFlu is actually very similar to the regular seasonal flu, though somewhat more contagious. Here's a good, unbiased summary of the numbers with hard data and citations to scientific authorities.

https://www.youtube.com/w...Qk&feature=em-uploademail

You're wrong about Jefferson, for sure. Your assumption that if we are free than we are going to be sacrificing human life is nothing but un-serious hyperbole with no basis in fact after we have learned what we have now. All I am saying is that people should be free to make their own decisions about the risks to themselves personally. We do this every day in everything we do including driving, riding motorcycles, walking across the street, taking medications with potentially serious side effects, etc. etc. Life is about assessing risks and making decisions. There is no such thing as a risk free world.

Private jets
- Peter Richards

That's exactly what I was thinking I'd be doing if I were them.

Totally agree. Open everything up right away. States that have done so are not seeing any increase in cases of WuFlu after nearly a month of being open. It works like this: If you don't want to go out, don't. If you do want to go out, do! WTF ever happened to freedom? As Jefferson said, "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."


the bolded text is so wrong but it's early and I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic



Why?

Michigan’s stay at home was suppose to end this week on the 28th. Even with Windsor Ontario and Ohio opening up around us, our government extended us to June 12th. We already have had local business open up.
- SuperSchennBros

Michigan has one of the biggest tyrants for a governor that exists in America. People in mass should just simply revolt. Show a little civil disobedience for once. I read an article today that said a private gay club has been allowed to stay open, but their fining barbers for wanting to stay open. Go figure that one out.

PA has another tyrant named Wolf who thinks he's the master of the universe capable of running everyone's lives according to his opinions and dictates. For example, why is WalMart allowed to be open, but smaller stores selling similar stuff like clothing are not? Why can I go into a supermarket with 500 people in it at once, but I can't go into the Kohls right next door that might have 25 to 50 people in it? Why can't my wife go to get her mammogram which is overdue, but I can go to Lowes that's so busy I can't find a parking spot?

This is the sort of madness that comes from tyrants like Wolf, Whitmer, Murphy (NJ) or Cuomo? All 4 of them signed orders requiring nursing homes to take COVID patients, yet get a complete pass in the media for it despite vast majorities of deaths in those states have been in nursing homes. In PA, it's nearly 70% of deaths that are in nursing homes.

Give us hockey back and let people be free to make their own value judgments according to their own risk decisions.

the bolded text is so wrong but it's early and I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic
- Coburns_Nose

Not being sarcastic at all. Perhaps I could have stated that they are not seeing any increase in the RATE of cases after opening up. Contrast FL and NY. Similar size states, though FL has more people. FL infection and death numbers are a fraction of NY. Why? It's pretty simple. Cuomo ordered nursing homes to take COVID positive patients. DeSantis ordered nursing homes shut and kept any COVID patients out. FL has FAR MORE elderly than NY, yet NY deaths are 6x what FL is. NY has been shut down for a while, but FL has been open for a number of weeks. Same with GA. The one part of the story that's not addressed in my comments is the fact that many of those states have been increasing testing, both infection and serology, in large numbers, which would obviously tend to alter percentages as more data is learned. Further, it is also true that some states don't count positive cases the same way. For example, TX counts positive serology tests as positive cases, as they should. But PA does not count positive serology tests. The net result is that TX actually has a more accurate assessment of infection rate and death rate than does PA. And, we do know that 70 - 80% of people that got it may have never known it, or found out they had it and had little or no symptoms. From what we are seeing now, the death rate of this thing is most likely more akin to the regular seasonal flu, maybe a little higher, than what all the models we had early on were predicting.

All that said, I just want hockey back. I think that we people are free to make our own decisions for our own circumstances. Let the world get on with it, and let's go back to arguing about players and referees and fun stuff like that.

Michigan has one of the biggest tyrants for a governor that exists in America. People in mass should just simply revolt. Show a little civil disobedience for once. I read an article today that said a private gay club has been allowed to stay open, but their fining barbers for wanting to stay open. Go figure that one out.

PA has another tyrant named Wolf who thinks he's the master of the universe capable of running everyone's lives according to his opinions and dictates. For example, why is WalMart allowed to be open, but smaller stores selling similar stuff like clothing are not? Why can I go into a supermarket with 500 people in it at once, but I can't go into the Kohls right next door that might have 25 to 50 people in it? Why can't my wife go to get her mammogram which is overdue, but I can go to Lowes that's so busy I can't find a parking spot?

This is the sort of madness that comes from tyrants like Wolf, Whitmer, Murphy (NJ) or Cuomo? All 4 of them signed orders requiring nursing homes to take COVID patients, yet get a complete pass in the media for it despite vast majorities of deaths in those states have been in nursing homes. In PA, it's nearly 70% of deaths that are in nursing homes.

Give us hockey back and let people be free to make their own value judgments according to their own risk decisions.
- Letterkenney

These “leaders” aren’t even wearing masks while supporting the idea of it in the public eye.

The United States Acting Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad Wolf, signed an order which exempts pro athletes from any proclamations barring their entry to the US.

"Professional sporting events provide much needed economic benefits, but equally important, they provide community pride and national unity," Wolf said in a statement released by DHS. "In today's environment, Americans need their sports. It's time to reopen the economy and it’s time we get our professional athletes back to work."

The DHS will work with the leagues "to identify the specific athletes, essential staff, team and league leadership, spouses, and dependents covered by this exemption."
- MJL

Thank you.

Hi Gogol. Thanks for the input. You're right. This is a hockey board, and since we all want hockey back, it's fair game to discuss what's causing this shutdown. Further, just because we talk hockey doesn't mean that some people actually take the time to study what the heck all of this stuff is about, not just to take the word of TV news channels. There are actually a large number of highly regarding scientists and doctors who have been studying 3 months of data and how this virus works. Who it affects, why, and how. These are people like the head of epidemiology at Stanford University, or others with similar credentials that have been largely stifled by big tech and mainstream media because they counter the popular narrative of shutting down the economy. But the truth is that as we get more and more data every day, this WuFlu is actually very similar to the regular seasonal flu, though somewhat more contagious. Here's a good, unbiased summary of the numbers with hard data and citations to scientific authorities.

https://www.youtube.com/w...Qk&feature=em-uploademail

You're wrong about Jefferson, for sure. Your assumption that if we are free than we are going to be sacrificing human life is nothing but un-serious hyperbole with no basis in fact after we have learned what we have now. All I am saying is that people should be free to make their own decisions about the risks to themselves personally. We do this every day in everything we do including driving, riding motorcycles, walking across the street, taking medications with potentially serious side effects, etc. etc. Life is about assessing risks and making decisions. There is no such thing as a risk free world.
- Letterkenney

Everyone knows there are risks in everyday life. We are free to drive or not. I like the fact that the government has stuck its nose in to mandate children’s vaccinations. Oh and they make us take a driving test which is good. Decisions on opening the economy will have impacts on health and require sober reasoning. Jefferson as a man of integrity would not make decisions in a slap dash manner just to make himself look good. And I don’t believe he would disregard scientific guidance. As for me, I will continue to wear a mask out of respect for my fellow citizens and hope they do so for me.

Round robin tournament between the top four teams to determine seeding? What exactly does that mean? How many games?

It should permanently alter the seasons going forward.

I am fine with it too. If they start in Dec and it goes thru July.....

If we can put a man on the moon, we can prevent whatever reason ice is no good in hot months.
- DrMidnite

I don’t think they want to start competing against MLB in addition to the NBA.

I do agree that next season starting on time is very unlikely at this point.

The good: Hockey is coming back.

The bad: politics on hockeybuzz

Personal responsibility goes for those under 65 also. Jefferson would not be a big fan of sacrificing human life to just to get the economy going. It is a bad situation. The economy has been devastated and the way back is uncharted. The worse thing that could happen is a resurgence in areas where the virus has declined. I've heard over and over about how the job losses and poor economy are causing drug abuse and suicides. I don't doubt it. But do you know what also causes a host of sociological problems? A $7.50 minimum wage to the minimal extreme and stagnant wages in general. Workers in this country have been squeezed for generations. So I roll my eyes a bit when I hear that some of our leaders are all of a sudden very concerned about mental health. I've come to really appreciate this board. Not only do we have hockey experts, we also have infectious disease experts, economists, historians and sociologists. And they really sound like they know what they're talking about. So please indulge me, I'm just a dope trying to soak it all in.
- Gogol

We live in a free market society. If you're making 7.25 an hour, ask yourself why? Minimum wage jobs are meant as a starter level and for kids working at a fast food joint. Not as a career choice. For some it is very difficult with the situation they're in to develop skills and or gain an education. We need to do something about that for sure but just handing people more money for no reason. What incentive is that?

Who is worried about Bye week? Like, we’ve been on a bye week for two months. Penguins play the Habs, regardless of who wins, they get their skating legs under them and work to a disadvantage for us.