Doc why not tell them the size of the virus and the filtering capacity of n95 masks. The mask cannot stop the virus. - MLew65
The mask doesn’t stop the virus completely. It does limit how far and fast it gets spread/expelled with a cough or sneeze. It limits it to a few feet. No make and it travels
6 feet within a couple of seconds and up to 12-15 ft in 15 seconds and can stay in the air for up to a few minutes. So this 6ft rule is the minimum as it is the most dangerous zone, but by no means is there a line at 6ft the virus can’t cross.
The mask at least stops you spreading it quickly to those very close at hand.
Anywhere from 10-40% of transmission (from the data we have so far - we know so little about this overall that a lot of this info may change) is from people who have not yet come down with symptoms, or who may not come down with symptoms but are infective. The mask is to protect others not yourself. So saying I am healthy I don’t need a mask is foolish. And maybe the person you unknowingly spread it to is young and healthy and will survive - but the elderly/person with an underlying illness THEY spread it to may not survive. Have respect. Wear a mask in public. If you would want others to have respect for you, your parents/grandparents/loved ones who are at risk, then pay it forward and wear your mask to protect them.
To protect yourself stay out of high risk and crowded situations. Wash hands well with soap and water >29 seconds - it is the best way to stay safe. If you can’t, they don’t touch around your face/eyes until you can at least use a good alcohol hand sanitizer.
This will all help. It will not end the pandemic, but it will keep it reduced enough that our health systems can cope enough to help those that need it as best we can and prevent some
Unnecessary deaths.
Losing a bit of personal freedom to keep people alive isn’t that big of a hardship.
The fact that a lot of things are opening up does NOT mean the virus is going away now, or that we are any safer; actually it is less
Safe the more large groups interact without proper precautions. There if course are political and especially economic
Reasons to try to reopen
With precautions. I am seeing too many people not taking those precautions. In 1-2 weeks this will start to show up in the rates going back up if we aren’t careful.
This isn’t an easy time. I want us all to get through it intact. Hockey will be there again later. I really do fear this restart even with a lot of good intentions and precautions is a bit of a potential disaster. I truly hope to be wrong.
That is aside from
The argument about how legitimate a playoff like the one being proposed is.
You're not entirely wrong Eklund (a little whiny maybe). The only thing that really cheapens all of this is that the 21,22,23,24 teams have absolutely no business in this thing. EDM and PIT are getting jobbed big time and those 21-24 place teams already had their fire-sales etc.
Just as many people would have complained if they just took the top 8 in each conference but at least it would have been a strong position, and much harder to debate the math.
Maybe have a short wild card type situation for the bubble teams. What's the tie-breaker after 82-games? Why don't they just do that with the 7-10 teams?
Montreal and Chicago were so far from bubble teams that it cheapens this whole tournament. And that's what it is...A TOURNAMENT. It's not the Stanley Cup.
Teams that had bad seasons are involved and some series might be 5 games (they wanted THREE) some are 7, etc. etc.
This is a fun tournament that we are all extremely excited about, but it reminds me of when the players got together and had that tournament during the lockout. This isn't the Stanley Cup Playoffs, but I'm excited to watch it.
...and if MTL, CHI, ARZ, or NYR win that first little series, the credibility of the NHL will take a hit in terms of credibility.
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May 26 @ 2:23 PM ET
No one has an easy road to the Cup, ever. Same thing this year. If a 17-24 team beats their opponent then they are the better team. If a top ranked team loses to an underdog then the underdog was the better team. You need to win four (or maybe even five) series. Whoever does that earns the title, no asterisk necessary.
I never understood why people put so much thought and worry into getting an “easier” road to the Cup. You may get one opponent who is a better matchup but any team that advances is playing well and will be a tough win. There is no such thing as an easy road to the Stanley Cup. Never has been. - Sams_Dog
That's not how it has ever worked.
The Stanley Cup Playoffs have never been a good barometer of which team is best.
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May 26 @ 2:28 PM ET
Playoff formats have changed several times over the years. I think people that are saying the cup winner should have an asterisk is because of the shortened season and I guess the overall complexity of what's occured during the season. Kind of like the '12-'13 season that was shortened due to a lockout. Some will tell you the Blackhawks winning that cup should have an asterisk next to it because it would have been a different scenario had they played a full season.
My opinion is whoever wins the cup, wins the cup.
To say someone is an idiot because they feel otherwise is simpleminded. You may not agree with their opinion, but it doesn't lessen it because you think otherwise. - Streit2ThePoint
Unfortunately the haters STILL say this about the Devils '95 Cup win
How about we discuss the ridiculousness of starting the playoffs on the verge of a 2nd wave of infections? There shouldn't be an asterix, because there shouldn't be a remainder of the season ...not only that, but this is the god damn Stanley Cup ... and we are gonna half ass it? What happens if a player tests positive? He's out? Is the whole team out? What about their opponents? What about who they were suppose to face in the next round? Do they just get a bye? What about the players families? all 24 teams and their players are gonna live in a hotel for a couple of months and not see their families? What about the staff working these events?
And what happens with the winner? Do they get to celebrate? A parade? Maybe we can all celebrate the win on fortnite, that'll be awesome. It would be hilarious if the leafs won, 50+ years of planning a parade and they don't get to have one. I have 0 interest in watching players play in July, in front of an empty crowd, to win a championship that can't be celebrated by the winning city. Imagine that moment, when player X raises The Cup in triumph to the sound of an empty arena, awkwardly wooing while taking a victory lap.
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May 26 @ 2:49 PM ET
How about we discuss the ridiculousness of starting the playoffs on the verge of a 2nd wave of infections? There shouldn't be an asterix, because there shouldn't be a remainder of the season ...not only that, but this is the god damn Stanley Cup ... and we are gonna half ass it? What happens if a player tests positive? He's out? Is the whole team out? What about their opponents? What about who they were suppose to face in the next round? Do they just get a bye? What about the players families? all 24 teams and their players are gonna live in a hotel for a couple of months and not see their families? What about the staff working these events?
And what happens with the winner? Do they get to celebrate? A parade? Maybe we can all celebrate the win on fortnite, that'll be awesome. It would be hilarious if the leafs won, 50+ years of planning a parade and they don't get to have one. I have 0 interest in watching players play in July, in front of an empty crowd, to win a championship that can't be celebrated by the winning city. Imagine that moment, when player X raises The Cup in triumph to the sound of an empty arena, awkwardly wooing while taking a victory lap. - JoeForts
Devil fans are still told 1995 doesn't count because it was a strike shortened season. It is ridiculous. I don't think the NHL should have a season at this point but if the NHL does start up the Cup winner will deserve it without an asterisks*.
*If the Rangers or Flyers win I retract my statement above and they do not deserve the Cup. Joking
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May 26 @ 3:02 PM ET
Devil fans are still told 1995 doesn't count because it was a strike shortened season. It is ridiculous. I don't think the NHL should have a season at this point but if the NHL does start up the Cup winner will deserve it without an asterisks*.
*If the Rangers or Flyers win I retract my statement above and they do not deserve the Cup. Joking - Devils622
as long as the tradition of 27 years of a non-Canadian based team winning the cup continues, everything will be ok
Devil fans are still told 1995 doesn't count because it was a strike shortened season. It is ridiculous. I don't think the NHL should have a season at this point but if the NHL does start up the Cup winner will deserve it without an asterisks*.
*If the Rangers or Flyers win I retract my statement above and they do not deserve the Cup. Joking - Devils622
I've literally never heard anyone say that. I have, however, seen this:
IDK 16 of 21 teams used to make the playoffs, there used to be 6 teams total, half seasons due to lockout. If those count this one should...assuming a re-seed after the play in. 10-12 seeds can't have higher seeding in the actual playoffs than 8-9 seeds that is ridiculous
as long as the tradition of 27 years of a non-Canadian based team winning the cup continues, everything will be ok - watsonnostaw
Speaking of *
Fans of Canadian teams don't want another Canadian team to win it FYI...would rather a team with two fans down south win to avoid the media/bragging.
We are quite happy with Carolina type wins when our team is eliminated so its not really a sore spot at all like some of you seem to think. Most of the country had a party when Vancouver lost to Boston.
I completely disagree.
In fact an asterisk isn’t enough. This now the covid cup not the Stanley cup. Any integrity the process had went out the window with allowing in 24 teams (and then possibly not to reseed?).
As a medical doctor I do not feel this is safe - reopening medically is not supported by the data; I get that it is a political and economic decision and to some extent needs to be. As a season ticket holder (leafs) I also do not want this to happen.
With all the personnel at each hub there will be over 600 people involved. What happens when one or a few from one team test positive? Drop that team? Put everything on hold and quarantine 2 weeks? End it?
And despite your points - some quite valid - there will always be a taint on this year’s winner, even if in the end they actually had to prevail through even more difficulties than in typical years to win. They will not be universally seen as a valid cup winner. Is that victory meaningful? Even as a very long suffering leafs fan - I’ll be 57 by the time the cup gets awarded - I don’t want to win this way. - Dr. Leaf
What happens if people get sick this winter ? Are you going to shut down the country again ? I personally know people who might lose there house. Everybody I know wants the country to reopen. You can’t just keep sticking your head in the sand. America has to work. I would rather get it than starve or lose everything I’ve worked for business wise.
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May 26 @ 3:44 PM ET
Speaking of *
Fans of Canadian teams don't want another Canadian team to win it FYI...would rather a team with two fans down south win to avoid the media/bragging.
We are quite happy with Carolina type wins when our team is eliminated so its not really a sore spot at all like some of you seem to think. Most of the country had a party when Vancouver lost to Boston. - flashfire
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May 26 @ 3:51 PM ET
The 7 teams that are effectively eliminated aren’t going to risk anything, and rightfully so. It’s more money for the league to dole out money x 7 more teams also. It’s going to be very expensive for testing, lodging, expenses, etc for the NHL to pay for. It’s just not prudent to play reg season games any longer. The only argument people can make other then 24 teams is 16 instead. But that isn’t fair whatsoever to the bubble teams.
I’m convinced the whole hockey world hates the. habs, outside of Mtl, because this wouldn’t be such an issue otherwise - Slimtj100
They're going to be rooting against the Habs that much more
24 Cups with a rich hockey history, a lot to be envious of
Further proof that the majority of us have no concept of true suffering. "Dire Straits." You have a handful of cities dealing with slightly elevated annual flu numbers, based on which news source you choose to believe. - WayneZ
To say someone is an idiot because they feel otherwise is simpleminded. You may not agree with their opinion, but it doesn't lessen it because you think otherwise. - Streit2ThePoint
According to EK:
People who are talking about the Stanley Cup Winner having an asterisk next to their name are truly idiots
He said "their" and not "its". Since Stanley Cup winner is singular, therefore he means that the people who are idiots are the people who have asterisks next to their own name. Iotw, if your name was Streit2ThePoint*, you would be an idiot.
But since I don't see no asterisk, you cool, bruh.
What happens if people get sick this winter ? Are you going to shut down the country again ? I personally know people who might lose there house. Everybody I know wants the country to reopen. You can’t just keep sticking your head in the sand. America has to work. I would rather get it than starve or lose everything I’ve worked for business wise. - Angus4444
I am very sympathetic to the economic hardships of people because of the lockdown, but everyone is definitely not in favor of the country reopening. In fact, a very strong majority wants restrictions to continue. Maybe you should change your social circle.
There's some fans who still want to put an asterisk next to the '95 Devils or the '99 Stars. Who cares? Those teams still got their Cup rings, held Cup parades and watched a banner go up the following October. Same thing will happen to this season's Cup champion. - gergeswillems
That would look pretty ridiculous if they put an asterisk on the banner. Dads having to explain it to their kids when the ask what it is. Might be annoying.
