He certainly won't retire a Leaf.
- mjones242

I know JFJ claims to know everything, he's the smartest guy in his room but I can't see why L.A would trade Doughty or Kopitar. Those two are leaders that young players can learn from.

Oh there's that going on around here all right
- Aetherial

My Missus is close to that stage.

I could be wrong, I just don't see L.A ever trading Doughty or Kopitar. I think they'll both retire as L.A Kings.
They can move Quick, Brown, Carter and other players as well to free up cap space.
- PatC80

You are more likely to be wrong because the way the NHL operates these days, nearly everybody gets traded eventually, especially if they can still play high level hockey like Doughty can. Teams rebuild, players play for Cups.

The Kings have blown apart the majority of their team and they are going to be very bad for a very long time before they turn it around. What competitive player wants to waste the second half of their career on a lottery team? Nobody plays to lose in the NHL, especially a guy like Doughty.

The Kings don't need cap space. They need young players so they can rebuild. The Leafs can give them a bit of that and get one of the best top pair RHD of this generation still in his prime given his position.

Eichel has been unhappy for the past 5 seasons. I wonder if he demands a trade... To Toronto?

He certainly won't retire a Leaf.
- mjones242

It would actually be ideal if he came to the Leafs for 5 years and then got traded back to LA to finish his career which is actually fairly plausible and beneficial for both teams.

You are more likely to be wrong because the way the NHL operates these days, everybody gets traded eventually, especially if they can still play high level hockey like Doughty can. Teams rebuild, players play for Cups.

The Kings have blown apart the majority of their team and they are going to be very bad for a very long time before they turn it around. What competitive player wants to waste the second half of their career on a lottery team? Nobody plays to lose in the NHL, especially a guy like Doughty.

The Kings don't need cap space. They need young players so they can rebuild. The Leafs can give them a bit of that and get one of the best top pair RHD of this generation still in his prime given his position.
- JohnFergusonJr

You realize that you could also be really wrong too, right?

I know JFJ claims to know everything, he's the smartest guy in his room but I can't see why L.A would trade Doughty or Kopitar. Those two are leaders that young players can learn from.
- PatC80

Doughty had his chance to sign with Toronto but decided not to. He literally represented himself, dangled the Leafs as an option to try to heat up negotiations, and then signed a contract with 7 years left and a NMC for the next 3 years and modified NTC for the remaining 4. He has nothing left to prove and loves it in LA.

But JFJ thinks he's going to waive his contract to sign with the Leafs.

Doughty had his chance to sign with Toronto but decided not to. He literally represented himself, dangled the Leafs as an option to try to heat up negotiations, and then signed a contract with 7 years left and a NMC for the next 3 years and modified NTC for the remaining 4. He has nothing left to prove and loves it in LA.

But JFJ thinks he's going to waive his contract to sign with the Leafs.
- mjones242

Yes, cause JFJ knows all

It would actually be ideal if he came to the Leafs for 5 years and then got traded back to LA to finish his career which is actually fairly plausible and beneficial for both teams.
- JohnFergusonJr

You realize that you could also be really wrong too, right?
- PatC80

I wouldn't guarantee he comes to the Leafs but it's more likely than not that he won't put up with losing for the next 5 years in LA either.

I wouldn't guarantee he comes to the Leafs but it's more likely than not that he won't put up with losing for the next 5 years in LA either.
- JohnFergusonJr

You don't like being wrong, do you?

Yes, cause JFJ knows all
- PatC80

I think we need to introduce an Ek-like rating system for JFJ.

e.g. Doughty to the Leafs JFJ5.

Doughty had his chance to sign with Toronto but decided not to. He literally represented himself, dangled the Leafs as an option to try to heat up negotiations, and then signed a contract with 7 years left and a NMC for the next 3 years and modified NTC for the remaining 4. He has nothing left to prove and loves it in LA.

But JFJ thinks he's going to waive his contract to sign with the Leafs.
- mjones242

He used the Leafs to get more money from LA. But he also thought LA was going to be a competitive team. They haven't been. Actually the opposite becoming a lottery team. The contract is locked in and it's guaranteed. Now, it's just a matter of where can he win. Won't be in LA any time soon, that's for sure. One of his best friends is Muzzin. Things have changed since he signed his deal and people change when the environment changes.

He used the Leafs to get more money from LA. But he also thought LA was going to be a competitive team. They haven't been. Actually the opposite becoming a lottery team. The contract is locked in and it's guaranteed. Now, it's just a matter of where can he win. Won't be in LA any time soon, that's for sure. One of his best friends is Muzzin. Things have changed since when he signed his deal and people change when the environment changes.
- JohnFergusonJr

You're proving his point though.. Doughty used the Leafs for leverage, and he got what he wanted, why would he ask for a trade to Toronto?

I know JFJ claims to know everything, he's the smartest guy in his room but
- PatC80

Oh, you know that? How about you prove I claimed that?

Good luck.

I can't see why L.A would trade Doughty or Kopitar. Those two are leaders that young players can learn from.

Because those players are worth more in a trade than they are as veterans on a poop team. On top of that, even if the Kings wanted to keep them, there's no guarantee that those two players want to be on a losing lottery team for the next 5 years.

He used the Leafs to get more money from LA. But he also thought LA was going to be a competitive team. They haven't been. Actually the opposite becoming a lottery team. The contract is locked in and it's guaranteed. Now, it's just a matter of where can he win. Won't be in LA any time soon, that's for sure. One of his best friends is Muzzin. Things have changed since he signed his deal and people change when the environment changes.
- JohnFergusonJr

I will grant you that we obviously are living in a simulation and anything can happen. Except this.

I've been told our overlord-Matrix software engineers have a Try Catch block of code that prevents the Doughty-to-the-Leafs scenario from happening.

Sorry, bro.

You're proving his point though.. Doughty used the Leafs for leverage, and he got what he wanted, why would he ask for a trade to Toronto?
- PatC80

Because he was happy in LA when he signed that deal. Things have changed. The team got significantly pooptier. His good, close friend Muzzin plays for the Leafs and the Leafs are a more competitive playoff team than LA will be in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't say he demands to be traded to Toronto. I'd say the team continues to suck and he considers waiving his NTC and if a playoff team (the Leafs) produce a good enough package (which they could easily do). He'd consider it because he has ties to Muzzin and because the Leafs can actually give him a chance to win with him on the team.

Oh, you know that? How about you prove I claimed that.

Good luck.



Because those players are worth more in a trade than they are as veterans on a poop team. On top of that, even if the Kings wanted to keep them, there's no guarantee that those two players want to be on a losing lottery team for the next 5 years.
- JohnFergusonJr

We read it every day on here.

Those players are worth more to the future of your team by helping develop younger players. I think most young defensemen on the kings want to learn from Doughty

I think we need to introduce an Ek-like rating system for JFJ.

e.g. Doughty to the Leafs JFJ5.
- mjones242

I like it.

Any new rumour should get a JFJ rating

We read it every day on here.

Those players are worth more to the future of your team by helping develop younger players. I think most young defensemen on the kings want to learn from Doughty
- PatC80

You read that claim every day? Should be easy to provide proof or a quote.

Oh you can't? Master of putting words in mouths, as per usual.

Having actual good players is always better than a pair of guys who would rather be playing meaningful games somewhere else.

You read that claim every day? Should be easy to provide proof or a quote.

Oh you can't? Master of putting words in mouths, as per usual.

Having actual good players is always better than a pair of guys who would rather be playing meaningful games somewhere else.
- JohnFergusonJr

The proof is in your responses to everyone that comments on your posts. Just like the laughing emoji you posted when I suggested Doughty will retire as a King.
I highly doubt that Kopitar and Doughty would quit on the Kings and not try anymore. Hockey players are a proud bunch

The proof is in your responses to everyone that comments on your posts. Just like the laughing emoji you posted when I suggested Doughty will retire as a King.
I highly doubt that Kopitar and Doughty would quit on the Kings and not try anymore. Hockey players are a proud bunch
- PatC80

Ah man. Did you get emoji’ed?

The proof is in your responses to everyone that comments on your posts. Just like the laughing emoji you posted when I suggested Doughty will retire as a King.
I highly doubt that Kopitar and Doughty would quit on the Kings and not try anymore. Hockey players are a proud bunch
- PatC80

Proud enough to not want to quit on the Kings (even though the organization quit on them when they blew apart the team) but not proud enough to want to win a Cup instead of playing for a last place team. Sure, makes sense.

Ah man. Did you get emoji’ed?
- Canada Cup

Yeah just today

Proud enough to not want to quit on the Kings (even though the organization quit on them when they blew apart the team) but not proud enough to want to win a Cup instead of playing for a last place team. Sure, makes sense.
- JohnFergusonJr

The Kings are still paying Doughty and Kopitar.. They haven't quit on them. There is absolutely no need for l.a to trade either of them.