The Kings are still paying Doughty and Kopitar.. They haven't quit on them. There is absolutely no need for l.a to trade either of them.
- PatC80

Making money is guaranteed no matter where they play. Winning is what they can't give them and it matters. A lot.

There absolutely is a need for LA to trade them just like there was a need for LA to trade Muzzin. It's called rebuilding.

Making money is guaranteed no matter where they play. Winning is what they can't give them and it matters. A lot.

There absolutely is a need for LA to trade them just like there was a need for LA to trade Muzzin. It's called rebuilding.


- JohnFergusonJr

Rebuilding is fine. The Kings should rebuild. They shouldn't trade Doughty or Kopitar, they'll need them to mentor the young players, otherwise, they'll be the Oilers pre-McDavid

Also, Muzzin was a year away from free agency. Kopitar and Doughty are not

Rebuilding is fine. The Kings should rebuild. They shouldn't trade Doughty or Kopitar, they'll need them to mentor the young players, otherwise, they'll be the Oilers pre-McDavid
- PatC80

You just proved the point that good players is what changes the team. Zero players from the old guard and yet they managed to get a player that turned the team around. Same happened with the Leafs with Matthews and Marner. Signing an old guy leader later on is easy.

Also, Muzzin was a year away from free agency. Kopitar and Doughty are not
- PatC80

Whether he had 1 year or 5 years, he was still going to get traded either by the teams choice or by his. That's what rebuilding is.

You just proved the point that good players is what changes the team. Zero players from the old guard and yet they managed to get a player that turned the team around. Same happened with the Leafs with Matthews and Marner. Signing an old guy leader later on is easy.
- JohnFergusonJr

Are you saying that the Oilers getting lucky is a plan every team should follow? How bad was Edmonton before McDavid?

Whether he had 1 year or 5 years, he was still going to get traded either by the teams choice or by his. That's what rebuilding is.
- JohnFergusonJr

I disagree, I'll just leave it at that.

Are you saying that the Oilers getting lucky is a plan every team should follow? How bad was Edmonton before McDavid?
- PatC80

Being as bad as possible actually improves the odds.

Using your logic, the Leafs would have kept Kessel and Phaneuf. They didn't. Team got worse (as if it was even possible) and drafted players that immediately turned the team around. They tried to do it with Sundin but blocked them. Every team does it, just a matter of timing.

Being as bad as possible actually improves the odds.

Using your logic, the Leafs would have kept Kessel and Phaneuf. They didn't. Team got worse (as if it was even possible) and drafted players that immediately turned the team around. They tried to do it with Sundin but blocked them. Every team does it, just a matter of timing.
- JohnFergusonJr

Kessel and Phaneuf were traded to change the culture of the team. Have you ever heard anything negative said about Kopitar or Doughty?
Toronto fans turned on Kessel and Phaneuf

Kessel and Phaneuf were traded to change the culture of the team. Have you ever heard anything negative said about Kopitar or Doughty?
Toronto fans turned on Kessel and Phaneuf
- PatC80

The "culture" being "I'm a very good player and I'm not wasting my career playing for this poop hole team". A lot of players have that attitude when they are playing on a lottery team. Kopitar and Doughty wouldn't be any different. Notice how Kessel won two Cups as soon as he left? If the Leafs, the media and/or the fans hadn't pushed him out, he would have asked for it himself because every elite level player would rather be on a contender than a lottery team.

Burn the whole town down until they are all charged.
Then start burning every other town down until the police union gets better training and purges out the garbage.
- Fakepartofme

Or the jump to conclusions mat was a mistake

Doughty to the Leafs. Classic UGtard.

I totally agree, Nylander + for Doughty salary retained aka The Perfect Deal. Fire Dubas, get it done.

I totally agree, Nylander + for Doughty salary retained aka The Perfect Deal. Fire Dubas, get it done.
- Zezel

The funny part is, this sarcastic comment would become your stance if they actually made that trade.

The funny part is, this sarcastic comment would become your stance if they actually made that trade.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, you're right.
- Zezel

It always is.

Yeah, you're right.
- Zezel

Of course you'd be sad that your pretty boy Nylander is gone but you'd quickly realize having a legit elite two-way RHD to play with Rielly is the way to go, especially if they actually won a Cup because of it.

You just proved the point that good players is what changes the team. Zero players from the old guard and yet they managed to get a player that turned the team around. Same happened with the Leafs with Matthews and Marner. Signing an old guy leader later on is easy.
- JohnFergusonJr

Their rebuild is almost over. The kings currently have the first ranked prospect pool. Likely get a top 5 this year. They're not as far out from being competitive again.

Their rebuild is almost over. The kings currently have the first ranked prospect pool. Likely get a top 5 this year. They're not as far out from being competitive again.
- lonnyBohonos

They're just getting started. They have zero high impact players like Matthews or Marner in their prospect pool. Alex Turcotte is their #1 prospect and he's 2/3 years away from being in the NHL, much less an impact player. Like when the Leafs drafted Nylander. They have an old, injury prone Quick in net. And their blueline is thin as hell. The LA Kings are nowhere near being done rebuilding.

They're just getting started. They have zero high impact players like Matthews or Marner in their prospect pool. Alex Turcotte is their #1 prospect and he's 2/3 years away from being in the NHL, much less an impact player. Like when the Leafs drafted Nylander. They have an old, injury prone Quick in net. And their blueline is thin as hell. The LA Kings are nowhere near being done rebuilding.
- JohnFergusonJr

Vilardi is still their #1 prospect and should be full time with the big club moving forward and is projecting to be an impact player

Samuel Fagemo (#2 prospect) was only outproduced by Lafreniere at the WJC and tore up the SHL this past year. Another high potential to be an impact player.

Turcotte also mentioned, still a few years out but big potential.

Madden, 5th in ppg in the nation last year in Div 1.

Then Kaliyev and Kupari, two other high skilled guys.

On defense. Mikey Anderson, and Clague might already be on the big squad next year. Then Bjornfoot coming up a year or two after.

In net, Cal Peterson is only 25 and his NHL numbers are fantastic.

They've got a deep prospect pool. They are not going to be a lottery team for the next 5 years. They will be a very good team and Doughty will still have juice left in his legs.

Vilardi is still their #1 prospect and should be full time with the big club moving forward and is projecting to be an impact player

Samuel Fagemo (#2 prospect) was only outproduced by Lafreniere at the WJC and tore up the SHL this past year. Another high potential to be an impact player.

Turcotte also mentioned, still a few years out but big potential.

Madden, 5th in ppg in the nation last year in Div 1.

Then Kaliyev and Kupari, two other high skilled guys.

On defense. Mikey Anderson, and Clague might already be on the big squad next year. Then Bjornfoot coming up a year or two after.

In net, Cal Peterson is only 25 and his NHL numbers are fantastic.

They've got a deep prospect pool. They are not going to be a lottery team for the next 5 years. They will be a very good team and Doughty will still have juice left in his legs.
- lonnyBohonos

This is a cute list of players but as I said, none of them are making the Kings a playoff team in the next 3 years. Most of them were just drafted a year or two ago and probably won't even be full time players for another 2/3 years. It's like when the Leafs top prospect was Kadri. Good players but not good enough to do anything without Matthews and Marner at the top of the list. None of them are great to the point where Doughty can say to himself "oh yeah, these guys are gonna help me win a Cup really soon".

Doughty has played 8 playoff games in 6 years. 3 more years of basement dwelling isn't going to be much fun and he'll be able to see it coming.

"It's frustrating. Being one of the top guys, I never expected to be (in this position). I always expected that I would be able to help push my team to a playoff spot every single year," Doughty said. "But back-to-back years, being in last place, it's been stressful and depressing a little bit."

"Sometimes you got to sit back and realize you don't have the same team you once had."

The "culture" being "I'm a very good player and I'm not wasting my career playing for this poop hole team". A lot of players have that attitude when they are playing on a lottery team. Kopitar and Doughty wouldn't be any different. Notice how Kessel won two Cups as soon as he left? If the Leafs, the media and/or the fans hadn't pushed him out, he would have asked for it himself because every elite level player would rather be on a contender than a lottery team.
- JohnFergusonJr

Culture isn't measured by how good of a player you are.

Doughty is a donkey douchebag.
don't want him near this Leafs team.

Mixed signals

Mixed signals
- burn

Yeah pretty mixed. Guess which Trump tweet is about armed white guys in a state capital who want the freedom to get haircuts and which is about blacks protesting another cop killing.

https://twitter.com/vasu/...tatus/1266239410804101124

Yeah pretty mixed. Guess which Trump tweet is about armed white guys in a state capital who want the freedom to get haircuts and which is about blacks protesting another cop killing.

https://twitter.com/vasu/...tatus/1266239410804101124
- Canada Cup

That's pretty bad, and not at all unexpected from the orange bozo.


I was referring to posts on the site about doughty.