What’s the “problem at hand?” No one is sticking up for that guy. He was arrested and charged with Murder! Just like anyone else who would commit a murder
- Fattony1187

That things like this keep happening

And it’s not just killing
The amount of racial inequality in the justice system is staggering

Fitz is a 50/50 poster, which is 50% better than your terrible takes.

Funny that fitz is " hiding in his basement", when your orange leader is hiding in a dark bunker when sh!t went down.

Seriously, 2 fake tough guys, alex and trumpy
- Boss34

I stayed away this weekend bc there were more important things than reading his dogs!t posts

Saturday i was supporting
Sunday i was helping clean up

I knew i shouldn’t have backread, ugh

You just said you need guns protect you if you guys had elite training you be able to take down a normal person with a knife instead of killing them
- gerbe75pts

Omg gerbe, you can be trained all you want but you don't know if the guy with the knife is trained or how they will act or anything

There are very few bad cops but those get all the attention and in most of those cases they shouldn't have had a uniform but there are also times where they did what they did to protect others or their own lives. Even trained shooters would find it difficult to hit a moving target in the knee to stop them when things are moving quickly as they don't have time to aim at a very small area which is why they go for center mass

Yes the cop murdered George Floyd and shouldn't have been a cop and he will face the consequences and no one is on his side

The vast majority of cops are very good people who are not racist and help the community and don't think omg I'm going to kill someone today because that's not the case

Couldn’t imagine what would be higher. Would have to see stats. No police officer in America is trained to shoot to kill. I don’t think there are many shootings/killings of people breaking into houses and getting shot. It happens but not at huge numbers.
- Fattony1187

That's what I thought? Officers are not trained to kill.

What happened the other day is terrible. It makes all law enforcement more vulnerable.

#staysafe

What’s the “problem at hand?” No one is sticking up for that guy. He was arrested and charged with Murder! Just like anyone else who would commit a murder
- Fattony1187

As I understand it this is the best reason for the frustration and protests. The true bad guy WASNT arrested and charged just like anyone else.

If it was just like anyone else - many people believe - he would have been arrested and charged ON THE SPOT, and the other guys with him would have been as well.

That video - and the others discovered since - is all the probable cause any normal civilian would get before an arrest, but it took days (and protests) before the actively bad guy was charged, and the passively bad guys still aren’t.

My problem is not that cops are inherently thugs - overwhelmingly they are not. But in our everyday lives, in lots and lots of little ways, being ON THE JOB (even when you’re not on duty) means a cop believes they’re entitled to be treated differently than regular civilians, and indeed they are.

That different standard - civilians are all held to full compliance with the law, while cops get to skirt it because of the uniform - is fair grounds for criticism and complaint.

Now I’ll crawl back under my rock.

Another innocent person of color is killed unnecessarily,
and too many ppl are focused on looting & actions by a FEW instead of the problem at hand which has been going on for far too long
- jdfitz77

i do not condone what the cop did and really don't have a side here.. But i have to ask does rioting, looting and burning things down help the perception of their community? If anything their recent actions most likely only fuel the fire of the actual racists in this country. I am not going to ever say that being a racist is acceptable, however the actions currently being taken do not help in the broad view. They need another figure like MLK to emerge and take over these protests.

Well some good news, only 20,000 new cases of Corona in the last 24 hours. Let's see what it is by the end of the week. Good thing it doesn't affect minorities worse or anything. Back to phase 1 by the weekend or total social distancing again?

I stayed away this weekend bc there were more important things than reading his dogs!t posts

Saturday i was supporting
Sunday i was helping clean up

I knew i shouldn’t have backread, ugh
- jdfitz77

Good fitz 👍

You know the inner workings of “the system” presumably

Do u deny that it’s set up in the Cops’ favor?

I mean, if a Cop kills someone, and that person isn’t around to testify, and there’s no witnesses, well then I’d think they’re just gonna take the Cop’s word as to what happened
And obviously the Cop isn’t going to say he was wrong

And isn’t their a code that exists where u have your fellow officers’ backs, even when something “questionable” happens?
Call me cynical for thinking that,
but i just watched a video where 3 guys stood around watching a fellow officer kill someone
Am i off base about “the code” u have with your brothers in blue?
Bc i think the general perception is that someone would really have to (frank) up badly for a cop to “rat” on another

That’s why there’s a lack of trust that justice gets done in these situations

What if this happened in an alley with no witnesses recording it?
Do those 3 turn the other guy in?
Or do they just say he was resisting & the appropriate amount of force was used so that it ends up being “justified”?

And I’m asking all this sincerely,
Bc i think what I’m saying is the general perception out there

And of course i realize that not all cops are bad
I’m not by any means saying anything like that
- jdfitz77

Don’t think you were saying that. You seem
Like a genuine good dude, we spar on your bad hockey takes and politics once in a while but that is enjoyment and venting for most posters.

I have posted on here that I would meet anyone for coffee who was interested in hearing about police tactics, questions I could answer etc... I’m all about community relations

Is there a specific code? No. Is there co workers that might help friends and lie for them? I’m sure that does happen. Human nature. Happens at other jobs too.

Can a police officer lie about what happened in a shooting? Again, sure. It’s his credibility and career he is damaging. A lot of agencies have body cameras now which would prevent that. The same case could happen to a civilian who shoots someone dead with no witnesses. Obviously worse for a police officer.

The numbers do say that unjustified shootings are rare. It is not widespread. In fact since 1960s police shootings of minorities are DOWN 75%.

Does not excuse a bad cop though. Trust me, we hate them more then you and are cheering this guy getting fired. Look what one bad guy does for a profession.

Omg gerbe, you can be trained all you want but you don't know if the guy with the knife is trained or how they will act or anything

There are very few bad cops but those get all the attention and in most of those cases they shouldn't have had a uniform but there are also times where they did what they did to protect others or their own lives. Even trained shooters would find it difficult to hit a moving target in the knee to stop them when things are moving quickly as they don't have time to aim at a very small area which is why they go for center mass

Yes the cop murdered George Floyd and shouldn't have been a cop and he will face the consequences and no one is on his side

The vast majority of cops are very good people who are not racist and help the community and don't think omg I'm going to kill someone today because that's not the case
- dmarsden2988

Cops should get elite training then they should be able to protect us without guns and should be able to shoot someone in a certain spot so they are disarmed ..

Would they not save lives having more training then just shoot to kill?

Well some good news, only 20,000 new cases of Corona in the last 24 hours. Let's see what it is by the end of the week. Good thing it doesn't affect minorities worse or anything. Back to phase 1 by the weekend or total social distancing again?
- adambuffalo

It's sad what the world has come to 2020 needs to go fast

Cops should get elite training then they should be able to protect us without guns and should be able to shoot someone in a certain spot so they are disarmed ..

Would they not save lives having more training then just shoot to kill?
- gerbe75pts

Do you want to see an even bigger increase in violent crime? Because this is how you get an increase in violent crime.

Don’t think you were saying that. You seem
Like a genuine good dude, we spar on your bad hockey takes and politics once in a while but that is enjoyment and venting for most posters.

I have posted on here that I would meet anyone for coffee who was interested in hearing about police tactics, questions I could answer etc... I’m all about community relations

Is there a specific code? No. Is there co workers that might help friends and lie for them? I’m sure that does happen. Human nature. Happens at other jobs too.

Can a police officer lie about what happened in a shooting? Again, sure. It’s his credibility and career he is damaging. A lot of agencies have body cameras now which would prevent that. The same case could happen to a civilian who shoots someone dead with no witnesses. Obviously worse for a police officer.

The numbers do say that unjustified shootings are rare. It is not widespread. In fact since 1960s police shootings of minorities are DOWN 75%.

Does not excuse a bad cop though. Trust me, we hate them more then you and are cheering this guy getting fired. Look what one bad guy does for a profession.
- Fattony1187

Why do these bad cops do these things knowing the body cam is on? Can they block it or will they get fired

Do you want to see an even bigger increase in violent crime? Because this is how you get an increase in violent crime.
- buffalofan19

I believe everyone deserves a 2nd chance

As I understand it this is the best reason for the frustration and protests. The true bad guy WASNT arrested and charged just like anyone else.

If it was just like anyone else - many people believe - he would have been arrested and charged ON THE SPOT, and the other guys with him would have been as well.

That video - and the others discovered since - is all the probable cause any normal civilian would get before an arrest, but it took days (and protests) before the actively bad guy was charged, and the passively bad guys still aren’t.

My problem is not that cops are inherently thugs - overwhelmingly they are not. But in our everyday lives, in lots and lots of little ways, being ON THE JOB (even when you’re not on duty) means a cop believes they’re entitled to be treated differently than regular civilians, and indeed they are.

That different standard - civilians are all held to full compliance with the law, while cops get to skirt it because of the uniform - is fair grounds for criticism and complaint.

Now I’ll crawl back under my rock.
- Der Kaiser

No need to crawl under a rock Kaiser. That is an excellent point you brought up. It is something that is easier explained verbally over text.

But a quick response would be you can’t look at the situation the same as a civilian and a police officer in performance of his duty in the same scope. Police officers need to be allowed to use force for obvious reasons. In this case this scumbag cop used way too much and deserves a murder sentence. Prosecutors were using their time to make sure they had the right charge.

What reason would a civilian do this to a person? That case probably would be more cut and dry over a police officer using force. The intent would be easier to prove. You overcharge cop he walks. You undercharge it looks horrible. That is all. To say “while it I did it I would be arrested right away” is a flawed argument, but I can see how people don’t understand.

Deadly Use of force calls take time to investigate. Same with civilian self defense cases. Took 44 days for George Zimmerman to be arrested . This arrest was done in 3 days. Day 1 DA said they were investigating and were on top of it. People are so used to instant gratification we fail to see sometimes it’s worth waiting to get it right

Do you want to see an even bigger increase in violent crime? Because this is how you get an increase in violent crime.
- buffalofan19

He must watch old Walker, Texas Ranger episodes or Steven Segal movies too much. Maybe just too many kids movies where no one ever dies.
He's fine though calling police to file false reports over some broken glass. Just heard there were people looting at the beach.

I believe everyone deserves a 2nd chance
- gerbe75pts

This bad cop? I don’t.

Why do these bad cops do these things knowing the body cam is on? Can they block it or will they get fired
- gerbe75pts

Departments have policies. I would imagine if a cop intentionally blocked his body cam to commit a crime he would be in trouble. Would be fired in my department then be culpable for the crime

Cops should get elite training then they should be able to protect us without guns and should be able to shoot someone in a certain spot so they are disarmed ..

Would they not save lives having more training then just shoot to kill?
- gerbe75pts

Gerbe. You have no idea how firearms work. This is not TV. Please stop with this take. It is really ignorant and immature

This bad cop? I don’t.
- Fattony1187

If you kill then no..

Gerbe. You have no idea how firearms work. This is not TV. Please stop with this take. It is really ignorant and immature
- Fattony1187

I really don't I just thought you guys go through intense training to handle a situation where let's say your gun is not working and you can take out that person with your combat training ..

I'll stop sorry

Cops should get elite training then they should be able to protect us without guns and should be able to shoot someone in a certain spot so they are disarmed ..

Would they not save lives having more training then just shoot to kill?
- gerbe75pts

So how are you supposed to disarm a suspect who is shooting at you?

Oh yeah and you have no gun to shoot back at them.


Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight....

i do not condone what the cop did and really don't have a side here.. But i have to ask does rioting, looting and burning things down help the perception of their community? If anything their recent actions most likely only fuel the fire of the actual racists in this country. I am not going to ever say that being a racist is acceptable, however the actions currently being taken do not help in the broad view. They need another figure like MLK to emerge and take over these protests.
- SabresFaninIndiana

The issue i have with your post is that you’re focused on the actions of a few
The overwhelming majority of protesters did it the right way

I don’t think the rioting is the right way about it
But the peaceful protests obviously haven’t brought about the change needed either
Kaepernick was 4 years ago...
still the same things happening way too much

I’m sure if there was a solution that would inspire real change, then the overwhelming majority would be for it

Maybe fattony can speak to what changes have been made in the last 4yrs and why they seemingly haven’t worked yet?
And what more could be done to help?

He must watch old Walker, Texas Ranger episodes or Steven Segal movies too much. Maybe just too many kids movies where no one ever dies.
He's fine though calling police to file false reports over some broken glass. Just heard there were people looting at the beach.
- adambuffalo

He doesn’t watch anything pre 2005.

So how are you supposed to disarm a suspect who is shooting at you?

Oh yeah and you have no gun to shot back at them.


Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight....
- dadeadhead

https://youtu.be/gqqcDn6PR34

This is what I thought

https://youtu.be/h1Ny0OtUezA