Good fitz 👍
- Boss34

You know, you’ve been saying a lot more “good fitz” than “bad Fitz” for quite a while now

You’re 50% doesn’t seem accurate to me

It's a shame that saying order must be restored to our cities and the looting and burning must stop is equated in some media headlines as trying to silence the voice of peaceful protesters. Rioters and looters are not peaceful protesters, there is a clear line between the two that some media choose to ignore.
It's also a shame that community activist "leaders" such as Kaepernick advocate cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's beyond shameful when elected officials choose to let chaos reign in the streets of their city/state.
“What Troopers are being called upon to respond to across the state are not peaceful protests or voices of reason urging societal changes, these are violent riots taking place around the state,” (head of NY state troopers' union) Mungeer wrote. “Peaceful protestors do not arrive with hammers and Molotov cocktails, burn police cars, smash the windows of businesses or spray graffiti on St. Patrick's Cathedral – criminal opportunists and vandals do. Peaceful protestors do not start fires in the streets or to businesses - arsonists do. Peaceful protestors do not gather en masse to openly disregard laws, create havoc and impede on the rights of the general public - rioters do.”
https://www.yahoo.com/new...nion-slams-193522052.html

The issue i have with your post is that you’re focused on the actions of a few
The overwhelming majority of protesters did it the right way
- jdfitz77

Could this not also be said for Cops?

https://youtu.be/gqqcDn6PR34

This is what I thought
- gerbe75pts

Don’t think, know.

It's a shame that saying order must be restored to our cities and the looting and burning must stop is equated in some media headlines as trying to silence the voice of peaceful protesters. Rioters and looters are not peaceful protesters, there is a clear line between the two that some media choose to ignore.
It's also a shame that community activist "leaders" such as Kaepernick advocate cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's beyond shameful when elected officials choose to let chaos reign in the streets of their city/state.
“What Troopers are being called upon to respond to across the state are not peaceful protests or voices of reason urging societal changes, these are violent riots taking place around the state,” (head of NY state troopers' union) Mungeer wrote. “Peaceful protestors do not arrive with hammers and Molotov cocktails, burn police cars, smash the windows of businesses or spray graffiti on St. Patrick's Cathedral – criminal opportunists and vandals do. Peaceful protestors do not start fires in the streets or to businesses - arsonists do. Peaceful protestors do not gather en masse to openly disregard laws, create havoc and impede on the rights of the general public - rioters do.”
https://www.yahoo.com/new...nion-slams-193522052.html
- Ratsreign

All those people don't care about the situation they're doing it to be cool and be part of the low life cool people group have zero respect and should be in jail for a year

i do not condone what the cop did and really don't have a side here.. But i have to ask does rioting, looting and burning things down help the perception of their community? If anything their recent actions most likely only fuel the fire of the actual racists in this country. I am not going to ever say that being a racist is acceptable, however the actions currently being taken do not help in the broad view. They need another figure like MLK to emerge and take over these protests.
- SabresFaninIndiana

I'm not calling you out individually, but I think this is the actual problem.

"They" just want a chance to be a part of "our" community. Until we see that "they" are actually "us," and start treating "them" as we do "ourselves" we will never solve this problem.

Cops should get elite training then they should be able to protect us without guns and should be able to shoot someone in a certain spot so they are disarmed ..

Would they not save lives having more training then just shoot to kill?
- gerbe75pts

How many cops have pulled out their gun and used it? You make it seem like they use it for every traffic stop

Do you know how long and how expensive that training would be? Let alone if it would work in real life? Would you want to take the chance that the guy doesn't get a "lucky" shot and you bleed out as a cop?

If the guy is unarmed there should be ways that they should be taken down but that's what everyone agrees with.

The issue i have with your post is that you’re focused on the actions of a few
The overwhelming majority of protesters did it the right way

I don’t think the rioting is the right way about it
But the peaceful protests obviously haven’t brought about the change needed either
Kaepernick was 4 years ago...
still the same things happening way too much

I’m sure if there was a solution that would inspire real change, then the overwhelming majority would be for it

Maybe fattony can speak to what changes have been made in the last 4yrs and why they seemingly haven’t worked yet?
And what more could be done to help?
- jdfitz77

It's more than "just a few". Two police officers were run over in Buffalo and another one in New York City. Four police officers were shot in St. Louis and another one in Las Vegas. And that doesn't count all the destruction and the livelihoods ruined from all of this. As often happens in situations like this, the responses to the issue cause more harm to society to the act itself and that doesn't minimize what happened in Minneapolis.

Cops should get elite training then they should be able to protect us without guns and should be able to shoot someone in a certain spot so they are disarmed ..

Would they not save lives having more training then just shoot to kill?
- gerbe75pts

cop identifies himself as a cop

if the person runs, shoot him


problem solved


time to treat criminals like criminals instead of like celebrities


we are over populated anyways

cop identifies himself as a cop

if the person runs, shoot him


problem solved


time to treat criminals like criminals instead of like celebrities


we are over populated anyways
- homiedclown

Good heavens. Cuomo is the tyrant, right?

Don’t think you were saying that. You seem
Like a genuine good dude, we spar on your bad hockey takes and politics once in a while but that is enjoyment and venting for most posters.

I have posted on here that I would meet anyone for coffee who was interested in hearing about police tactics, questions I could answer etc... I’m all about community relations

Is there a specific code? No. Is there co workers that might help friends and lie for them? I’m sure that does happen. Human nature. Happens at other jobs too.

Can a police officer lie about what happened in a shooting? Again, sure. It’s his credibility and career he is damaging. A lot of agencies have body cameras now which would prevent that. The same case could happen to a civilian who shoots someone dead with no witnesses. Obviously worse for a police officer.

The numbers do say that unjustified shootings are rare. It is not widespread. In fact since 1960s police shootings of minorities are DOWN 75%.

Does not excuse a bad cop though. Trust me, we hate them more then you and are cheering this guy getting fired. Look what one bad guy does for a profession.
- Fattony1187

But it’s not 1 guy
Keeps happening over & over

And it’s not fair to compare this to other jobs
If i don’t rat on Briana for using the company copier to print flyers for her band’s gig,
it doesn’t remotely have the same weight as what we are talking about here

Maybe i watch too many movies,
but i also have a handful of friends (4) who are cops that have straight up told me they feel like cops would only “rat out” others in extreme circumstances bc of the culture that exists “in the room” so to speak, and even then they’d fear being shunned & called a rat
And 2 of them have straight up said they witnessed things they thought were questionable,
but didn’t say anything & gave their “coworker” the benefit of the doubt in the situation

From what you’re saying,
it sounds like u feel that isn’t really the case

https://youtu.be/gqqcDn6PR34

This is what I thought

https://youtu.be/h1Ny0OtUezA
- gerbe75pts

"In reality, you don't have time to 'read' the knife as it's approaching your vital organs and/or veins... and then react with the specific appropriate defense in (milliseconds).

(It can be done, but it can't be done reliably.)

Knife Defense can be a 'zero sum' game. If you miss, you may die.

Well, we tested them.
We tested hundreds techniques, and again determined which could be used reliably... and which resulted in my death, in the vast majority of tests.

When I 'died' repeatedly trying a technique, we threw it in the trash."

And none of this even takes into consideration that the attackers may be high on who knows what. Seen people all cracked up get shot 3-4 times and still keep fighting.

Good heavens. Cuomo is the tyrant, right?
- Der Kaiser

if a criminal runs, shoot him


enough is enough

if a criminal runs, shoot him


enough is enough
- homiedclown

Just because I'm in the presence of a cop doesn't mean I'm a criminal.

"In reality, you don't have time to 'read' the knife as it's approaching your vital organs and/or veins... and then react with the specific appropriate defense in (milliseconds).

(It can be done, but it can't be done reliably.)

Knife Defense can be a 'zero sum' game. If you miss, you may die.

Well, we tested them.
We tested hundreds techniques, and again determined which could be used reliably... and which resulted in my death, in the vast majority of tests.

When I 'died' repeatedly trying a technique, we threw it in the trash."

And none of this even takes into consideration that the attackers may be high on who knows what. Seen people all cracked up get shot 3-4 times and still keep fighting.
- adambuffalo

if they pull out a weapon on a cop


just shoot him

Do you want to see an even bigger increase in violent crime? Because this is how you get an increase in violent crime.
- buffalofan19

More training would increase violent crime?
Explain

Just because I'm in the presence of a cop doesn't mean I'm a criminal.
- Der Kaiser

if the cop says stop


you stop


dont stop, shoot him

enough is enough

The issue i have with your post is that you’re focused on the actions of a few
The overwhelming majority of protesters did it the right way

I don’t think the rioting is the right way about it
But the peaceful protests obviously haven’t brought about the change needed either
Kaepernick was 4 years ago...
still the same things happening way too much

I’m sure if there was a solution that would inspire real change, then the overwhelming majority would be for it

Maybe fattony can speak to what changes have been made in the last 4yrs and why they seemingly haven’t worked yet?
And what more could be done to help?
- jdfitz77

I understand what you say about the main point of my comment, however the coverage and what we see is focused on the bad part of the protests. Maybe the media needs to look at how they cover this and adjust? Truly they are what gets out to the most Americans, but they want to sensationalize everything.

What Kapernick did was was more what i am talking about.. But while kneeling at a football game got things started i don't know that it was the right forum to do it. But it got people talking but did nothing in the end.

I don't know the solution i just wish we could find it

More training would increase violent crime?
Explain
- jdfitz77

He's suggesting that police not have the threat of lethal force due to "more training". Any criminal with an IQ above 40 is going to know he's less at risk. They will get bolder.

I'm not calling you out individually, but I think this is the actual problem.

"They" just want a chance to be a part of "our" community. Until we see that "they" are actually "us," and start treating "them" as we do "ourselves" we will never solve this problem.
- Der Kaiser

touche and noted. however i don't know how to make that statement without using those adjectives.

cop identifies himself as a cop

if the person runs, shoot him


problem solved


time to treat criminals like criminals instead of like celebrities


we are over populated anyways
- homiedclown

This is a gerbe level opinion.

cop identifies himself as a cop

if the person runs, shoot him


problem solved


time to treat criminals like criminals instead of like celebrities


we are over populated anyways
- homiedclown

Or you can run after them lol..

As I understand it this is the best reason for the frustration and protests. The true bad guy WASNT arrested and charged just like anyone else.

If it was just like anyone else - many people believe - he would have been arrested and charged ON THE SPOT, and the other guys with him would have been as well.

That video - and the others discovered since - is all the probable cause any normal civilian would get before an arrest, but it took days (and protests) before the actively bad guy was charged, and the passively bad guys still aren’t.

My problem is not that cops are inherently thugs - overwhelmingly they are not. But in our everyday lives, in lots and lots of little ways, being ON THE JOB (even when you’re not on duty) means a cop believes they’re entitled to be treated differently than regular civilians, and indeed they are.

That different standard - civilians are all held to full compliance with the law, while cops get to skirt it because of the uniform - is fair grounds for criticism and complaint.

Now I’ll crawl back under my rock.
- Der Kaiser

"My problem is not that cops are inherently thugs - overwhelmingly they are not. But in our everyday lives, in lots and lots of little ways, being ON THE JOB (even when you’re not on duty) means a cop believes they’re entitled to be treated differently than regular civilians, and indeed they are."
Cops who are found to be involved in criminal activity should face double the penalty of a regular civilian. The normal penalty for the crime, doubled for violating the trust placed in you and the authority given to you to protect and serve the community.

I understand what you say about the main point of my comment, however the coverage and what we see is focused on the bad part of the protests. Maybe the media needs to look at how they cover this and adjust? Truly they are what gets out to the most Americans, but they want to sensationalize everything.

What Kapernick did was was more what i am talking about.. But while kneeling at a football game got things started i don't know that it was the right forum to do it. But it got people talking but did nothing in the end.

I don't know the solution i just wish we could find it
- SabresFaninIndiana

they were rioting and looting before Kapernick took a knee


seeing all these people beat up protecting their businesses or just driving in their cars is anything but a peaceful protest


curfews mean nothing as police are told not to enforce it

if the cop says stop


you stop


dont stop, shoot him

enough is enough
- homiedclown

This is not how the law is written. You can't execute someone for fleeing.

I also firmly believe you follow officer's orders directly for everyone's safety.