This is sort of nit picking though. Bogosian was less terrible in a small sample of minutes, but still terrible. The overall impact across any usage has Bogosian being a negative impact defender. At least Miller crushed soft minutes.

I wrote about the goaltending being a surprise let down on the PK, they don't escape blame either although it's harder to assign it when they're combined cap hit is slightly over 4 mil.
- Michael Ghofrani

I agree that the Bogo thing was nitpicking.

The bolded, though, I can't agree with. The only two Dmen with whom he saw "soft minutes" (only way I can currently define that is off. zone push > 55%) were Dahlin and, weirdly enough, McCabe (small sample). Between the two, his numbers were as follows:

GD: 13-12 & 0-4
xGF%: 47.7 & 44.6
CF%: 50.6 & 49.3
SCF%: 46.9 & 40.0
HDCF%: 48.1 & 41.7

Those aren't the numbers of someone crushing soft minutes. Is there some context here that I've perhaps missed?

Unless you’re trading him for McDavid, there is not a single trade in the NHL where we wouldn’t be giving up the best player in the deal.
- Pegullaville

They're not trading him

Sure, but he’s not going anywhere.
- Pegullaville

Is McDavid? The hypothetical was that no one but McDavid would be "getting the better player".

He also threw the series against the Pens right before he was traded and he said he'd veto any trade that wasn't to his liking, so we got (frank)ing garbage in return for one of the best goalies, ever.
- Wetbandit1

@wet1- could you please post the source.

Thank you in advance

Is McDavid?
- MaximumBone

Time will tell.

I don’t think so but if Edmonton slips up again he has shown his frustration in the past also.

Because teams that want to win usually keep guys who are having successful seasons even if they're not planning on keeping the guy long term.

I can see that the possibility of re-injury likely spooked Botteril into rushing the move, but there was NO reason to trade him for a 4th when he did. The optics are only made worse by his subsequent swap of that 4th for Frolik (defeating the argument that it was asset management) and Montreal's deadline return for Scandella (defeating the argument that there was no other deal to be made).

The fact that Montreal is only ahead of the Sabres by one win, which Scandella's contributions more than likely facilitated is just a final kick in the teeth.
- MaximumBone

Like I said, I agree with waiting until the trade deadline to deal him, but he was a pending UFA. Not trading him at all would have been foolish, especially with his miraculous turnaround.

Is McDavid? The hypothetical was that no one but McDavid would be "getting the better player".
- MaximumBone

I'll take Eichel over Mackinnon every day.

Eichel is that good, and he's been on a poop team for years.

Yes those are unproven players he's a future HOF player
- GERBE!!!75PTS

You're not getting equal value with only current NHL players.

You're going to have include futures as well.

Tierney, Byfield, Rossi, and Jarvis aren't enough? Feels like it would be.

I’d try LA. Get their first this year along with Turcotte, Kaliyev, and Bjornfot
- Pegullaville

I'll take your word for it, but that doesn't seem like enough.

Tierney, Byfield, Raymond, and Jacob Perrault; OR
Hischier, Drysdale, Perfetri, and Dylan Holloway feels like enough.

I'll take Eichel over Mackinnon every day.

Eichel is that good, and he's been on a poop team for years.
- kingcong39

I might not have watched enough of him. I love me some Eichel, but Mackinnon holds a special place in my heart after his dominant series against the Flames a while back.

I might not have watched enough of him. I love me some Eichel, but Mackinnon holds a special place in my heart after his dominant series against the Flames a while back.
- MaximumBone

Eichel is just a monster literally everywhere.

He sheds triple teams often. He's remarkable to watch, and he keeps getting better every year.

If he ever had talent around like Brayden Point does, his numbers would be truly frightening.

I agree that the Bogo thing was nitpicking.

The bolded, though, I can't agree with. The only two Dmen with whom he saw "soft minutes" (only way I can currently define that is off. zone push > 55%) were Dahlin and, weirdly enough, McCabe (small sample). Between the two, his numbers were as follows:

GD: 13-12 & 0-4
xGF%: 47.7 & 44.6
CF%: 50.6 & 49.3
SCF%: 46.9 & 40.0
HDCF%: 48.1 & 41.7

Those aren't the numbers of someone crushing soft minutes. Is there some context here that I've perhaps missed?
- MaximumBone

I think you're looking at a full season tally instead of splits. The Sabres carried 7D all year.

There were times miller and dahlin were the top pair against top competition, and there were times where they were the bottom pair, getting 60% ozs.

there were a lot of combos and each combo saw very different usage in splits as short as week to week.

Eichel wants out, and it will be made public soon, not like what came out today. Pegula will be stepping away and Kim will be the face of the Sabres and Bills. The internal frustration and finger pointing started a month or so ago with how Pegula handled paying employees. People thought it was bad under Darcy, just wait and see what's coming soon.

Botterill staying, like I said before............... another show of how the Pegula's aren't very knowledgeable in certain area's regarding the future and the operation of this organization. Botterill can't shake the " Pittsburgh mentality" I was told and that is killing him in moving this organization forward.
- SABRES 89

If Eichel wants out that wouldn’t be a trait that a captain should have. I’m sure he wants to fire up some people but he doesn’t want out

They have zone starts, if that's what you mean, among other things.
- kingcong39

I think that should play a part in your analysis.

Final 20 games, mcCabe/Jokiharju saw some very tough usage while having a low on ice sh% (did not see the same amount of eichel as the risto/montour pairing which explains the GF and XGF discrepancy) and a poor on ice sv%

The reason Im high on Jokiharju is the same reason i have reservations regarding Olofsson.

Olofsson was put in the best position to succeed, and the results at 5v5 were just okay

Jokiharju was put in a position to fail at 5v5 and the results were okay.

Difference being that having Scandella in the line-up instead of Miller this current season (not beyond because 3.275 x 5 is crazy) very likely would've been the difference between being in the play-in round and being where you are now.

This is only made more worse by the fact that Scandella carried his success to the very team right ahead of you and positively contributed to their 5-on-5 goal differential (14-9) likely reinforcing the current difference between your two teams in the standings.

I realize this can easily come across as the "victory lap" kind of thing mentioned earlier, but I truly don't intend it that way. I'm only trying to understand what Botteril was thinking, how you guys view it, and then determine for myself if my initial lean towards "maybe Botteril should be fired" is fair or not.
- MaximumBone

It's simple, he wasn't. He painted himself into a corner and had no plan to get out.

@wet1- could you please post the source.

Thank you in advance
- Boss34

To what? The obvious tank "save attempt" on Kasparaitis? Or the fact we got dogpoop for one of the best goalies of all-time when he was still in his prime?

Playoffs or bust Botterill. Don't eff it up again. Get a real #2C, #2RW and a #1B goalie or p_ss off.

I think that should play a part in your analysis.

Final 20 games, mcCabe/Jokiharju saw some very tough usage while having a low on ice sh% (did not see the same amount of eichel as the risto/montour pairing which explains the GF and XGF discrepancy) and a poor on ice sv%

The reason Im high on Jokiharju is the same reason i have reservations regarding Olofsson.

Olofsson was put in the best position to succeed, and the results at 5v5 were just okay

Jokiharju was put in a position to fail at 5v5 and the results were okay.
- Michael Ghofrani

Well I'm glad we can at least agree on Joki

Playoffs or bust Botterill. Don't eff it up again. Get a real #2C, #2RW and a #1B goalie or p_ss off.
- SabreWest

We have to worry about Jack now (frank) botts he better have some magic

"He's one of the greatest natural born leaders I've ever been around on a day-to-day basis, the way that he looks at life...I couldn't be happier to have him as a coach."

- Jack Eichel

Sounds like a guy ready to demand a trade 😂

I’d try LA. Get their first this year along with Turcotte, Kaliyev, and Bjornfot
- Pegullaville

I wouldn’t even entertain the thought of moving Jack until he publicly demands it
And even then, I’m not necessarily doing it anytime soon
Much like Sakic waited till he got what he wanted for Duchene, there shouldn’t be a rush
We should make sure to get the best possible deal

You're not getting equal value with only current NHL players.

You're going to have include futures as well.

Tierney, Byfield, Rossi, and Jarvis aren't enough? Feels like it would be.
- kingcong39

Tierney is a 3C,
who cares if he’s in the deal or not?

Swap him for Tkachuk

https://www.expectedbuffa...ap-situation-to-clean-up/

🤔🤔🤔

https://twitter.com/ISSho.../1265709974476533762?s=19

😂😂😅😅

"He's one of the greatest natural born leaders I've ever been around on a day-to-day basis, the way that he looks at life...I couldn't be happier to have him as a coach."

- Jack Eichel

Sounds like a guy ready to demand a trade 😂
- Powerslave

He's pissed at some of the things that have happened with upper management. But he’s just as pissed at certain players he thinks didn't give it there all. He doesn't want out, but he has made some demands, so upper management needs to pay attention or things could definitely change.