Hey if you want to get stitches and a have kid possibly die that's on you ..
- gerbe75pts

Snitches get stitches.......

He said they should be trained to not use a gun, and that they should be able to disarm a criminal without one. Like dd said earlier, he's suggesting police be trained to bring a knife to a gun fight. If that's the standard, and the public knows it, that will absolutely lead to an increase in violent crime because the criminal knows the system has basically tied the police's hands.
- buffalofan19

I said they should be able to disarm a person without a gun I never said they shouldn't have a gun

NYC, this is what happens when you just continuously vote democrat with no open mind to what is good for the city. De Blasio sees a video of an NYPD unholstering his gun and says the cop should hand in his gun and badge and that it was completely unacceptable. Now the full video shows his chief getting smoked by a brick in the back of the head right next to him. The combination of Cuomo and De Blasio is downright dangerous. These left wing mayors are honestly loving what is happening right now it’s sick.

https://twitter.com/markpoloncarz/status/1267851873387778051?s=21
- dadeadhead

How does that work if I golf in Hamburg until 8 and then go home to Cheektowaga afterwards?

This started with Gerbe implying the cops should be better trained and they won't need guns. Something like if they were better trained they could disarm a guy armed with a knife w/out shooting him. You kinda jumped in to reply about giant leaps w/out being aware of that.
- Ratsreign

The original part i responded to was Gerbe talking about how police should be taught to maim & not kill

You & 19 are taking it all the way back to the disarming criminals post by him
That is NOT what i posted on
That is NOT what he responded to me about

I have no idea what u mean here
- jdfitz77

Dude, really?
He said the part that no one is talking about is that if people protested all day and went home at night the problem (looting, burning) would stop.

He said they should be trained to not use a gun, and that they should be able to disarm a criminal without one. Like dd said earlier, he's suggesting police be trained to bring a knife to a gun fight. If that's the standard, and the public knows it, that will absolutely lead to an increase in violent crime because the criminal knows the system has basically tied the police's hands.
- buffalofan19

I mean sh1t we put our military through extensive training.

Per gerbe they should be able to take down a foreign threat without guns.......

I said they should be able to disarm a person without a gun I never said they shouldn't have a gun
- gerbe75pts

If a criminal has a gun, and has even the average ability to use it, and he knows a policeman is mandated to try to disarm me without one first, the policeman is at a huge disadvantage and the criminal knows it. It lessens the threat. Less of a threat equals more crime.

How does that work if I golf in Hamburg until 8 and then go home to Cheektowaga afterwards?
- buffalofan19

End your round early or buy a house in Hamburg........

End your round early or buy a house in Hamburg........
- dadeadhead

- buffalofan19

You by chance don’t belong to the men’s club there?

You by chance don’t belong to the men’s club there?
- dadeadhead

I do not. I just play with a friend of mine there every Tuesday night after work.

If a criminal has a gun, and has even the average ability to use it, and he knows a policeman is mandated to try to disarm me without one first, the policeman is at a huge disadvantage and the criminal knows it. It lessens the threat. Less of a threat equals more crime.
- buffalofan19

The police should have training that a normal person should not know ..

Honesty they should have all x combat people for Criminals and keep tickets and that stuff for the regular cops

I do not. I just play with a friend of mine there every Tuesday night after work.
- buffalofan19

Ah.

So much i disagree with above,
but no point running in circles further
I think u kind of brushed off the 2nd part of my post from before
Your basic answer seemed to be,
“Meh, human nature”

Internal affairs is responsible for investigation these 5% of questionable instances correct?
Are they not cops, or are they appointed?


And a lot of ppl wanna know why the 3 who watched haven’t been charged with anything...
any ideas why?
Are they not culpable as well?
- jdfitz77

No, Internal Affairs does not determine the investigation in a shooting. The District Attorney does (political position) Keep voting democrat though in these big cities. You reap what you sow

How does that work if I golf in Hamburg until 8 and then go home to Cheektowaga afterwards?
- buffalofan19

You’ll be ok. It’s for large gatherings

The original part i responded to was Gerbe talking about how police should be taught to maim & not kill

You & 19 are taking it all the way back to the disarming criminals post by him
That is NOT what i posted on
That is NOT what he responded to me about
- jdfitz77

Shooting to maim sounds great in theory, but it most likely will get you killed. Unless every cop has enough training to reach Annie Oakley type sharp shooting skills. You shoot to put an end to the threat as quickly as possible, not necessarily to kill.

The police should have training that a normal person should not know ..

Honesty they should have all x combat people for Criminals and keep tickets and that stuff for the regular cops
- gerbe75pts

You do know these super hero movies you watch are fake right? What “training” do you think stops a knife being plunged into my throat???

Clueless

The police should have training that a normal person should not know ..

Honesty they should have all x combat people for Criminals and keep tickets and that stuff for the regular cops
- gerbe75pts

They do.


But.......


The average person can get the same training by taking martial arts training, boxing, self defense courses, and/or learning it through the streets.


I have no formal training. Just an upbringing where my dad and I rough housed daily. And he beat the snot out of me to toughen me up(worked wonders when kids tried to bully me about my handicapped sister).

A cop pal and I got into a pissing match where I said I could get the better of him with his training and all. He’s 6-3 and jacked, I am not.

He lost.

Any normal person can do these things.

Hey if you want to get stitches and a have kid possibly die that's on you ..
- gerbe75pts

Just shoot those little bastards in the leg

Shooting to maim sounds great in theory, but it most likely will get you killed. Unless every cop has enough training to reach Annie Oakley type sharp shooting skills. You shoot to put an end to the threat as quickly as possible, not necessarily to kill.
- Ratsreign

You aim center mass.....

Plain and simple.

That is how anyone with any gun knowledge is taught.


Aim small, miss small.

The gun conversation is interesting seeing as how this whole round of protests revolves around a guy that was suffocated or choked to death, depending on which account you believe, not that one is any better than the other.

That being said, I find the narrative that people are wrong for focusing on a supposedly "few" bad protesters taking things out of control ironic, considering the type of police behavior they are protesting is probably at an even lower rate.

However, I do wonder what the overlap is between the looter that would go to town in a situation like this, and the looter that would riot the night a major city's NBA/NHL/NFL/MLB team won or lost its championship. My guess is you might often find the same person at both.

He said they should be trained to not use a gun, and that they should be able to disarm a criminal without one. Like dd said earlier, he's suggesting police be trained to bring a knife to a gun fight. If that's the standard, and the public knows it, that will absolutely lead to an increase in violent crime because the criminal knows the system has basically tied the police's hands.
- buffalofan19

More training would increase violent crime?
Explain
- jdfitz77

He's suggesting that police not have the threat of lethal force due to "more training". Any criminal with an IQ above 40 is going to know he's less at risk. They will get bolder.
-buffalofan19


He's suggesting that police not have the threat of lethal force due to "more training". Any criminal with an IQ above 40 is going to know he's less at risk. They will get bolder.
- buffalofan19


That’s a hefty leap
-jdfitz77




Don’t go trying to walk it back now
You know FULL WELL that what i was talking about was the use of lethal force
That’s evidenced by your reply in bold

I call bullsh!t

It makes zero sense that saying more training to not use lethal force will result in more violent crime
Fattony already said that’s how they’re being trained

No, Internal Affairs does not determine the investigation in a shooting. The District Attorney does (political position) Keep voting democrat though in these big cities. You reap what you sow
- Fattony1187

What does internal affairs do?

Shooting to maim sounds great in theory, but it most likely will get you killed. Unless every cop has enough training to reach Annie Oakley type sharp shooting skills. You shoot to put an end to the threat as quickly as possible, not necessarily to kill.
- Ratsreign

Facts not in evidence counselor