I just looked this up and damn, it's gold:

Shaky Gardiner was -24.

The next worse guy on the Hurricanes was -7.
- Atomic Wedgie

Barrie > Gardiner

I just looked this up and damn, it's gold:

Shaky Gardiner was -24.

The next worse guy on the Hurricanes was -7.
- Atomic Wedgie

Gardiner was a -24 because his D-partner sucks.
Also, yeah Gardiner is bad

That's cute. You think a 3rd line C at 4.5M is better value than a top line winger that is 6 years younger.
- PatC80

Kadri brings elements to the game that Nylander doesn't meanwhile what Nylander brings is already covered by Matthews, Tavares and Marner. Nobody brings what Kadri brought and the Leafs still don't have that element on their team.

It's cute when you complain that the Leafs come out flat, play disinterested, play without passion but then you wonder why.

Could it be, because you're wrong and I'm right? Look, I get it this is a hill you'll die on. In hindsight, I mean maybe?. Kadri was not lighting up the league in Colorado either though. Plus he got some time on the top line when every forward on Colorado was injured. It was a good trade at the time, it didn't work out in the Leafs favour. Part of that is on Babcock in my opinion.
- PatC80

Don’t tease me...

I just looked this up and damn, it's gold:

Shaky Gardiner was -24.

The next worse guy on the Hurricanes was -7.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes

Barrie>Gardiner

Could it be, because you're wrong and I'm right? Look, I get it this is a hill you'll die on. In hindsight, I mean maybe?. Kadri was not lighting up the league in Colorado either though. Plus he got some time on the top line when every forward on Colorado was injured. It was a good trade at the time, it didn't work out in the Leafs favour. Part of that is on Babcock in my opinion.
- PatC80

Nah, you're definitely wrong.

It was a bad trade at the time, easily said it was at the time too and it only got worse.

Babcock had nothing to do with it being a bad trade. Barrie was a pending UFA and the Leafs weren't in a position to spend that much on a rental. And Kerfoot is just poop.

I just looked this up and damn, it's gold:

Shaky Gardiner was -24.

The next worse guy on the Hurricanes was -7.
- Atomic Wedgie

Shaky, Kadri and the Straw Man in the Wizard of Oz have something in common.

Syphilis infected rat> seagull
- kaptaan

(frank) off, Klansman.

(frank) off to your garbage dump, flying rat
- kaptaan

Ah, how cute, the pink cu3t is still here. JFJ's knob still needs a polish. Get to work.

PS...we all agree you're a piece of sh1t. Enjoy that.

Kadri brings elements to the game that Nylander doesn't meanwhile what Nylander brings is already covered by Matthews, Tavares and Marner. Nobody brings what Kadri brought and the Leafs still don't have that element on their team.

It's cute when you complain that the Leafs come out flat, play disinterested, play without passion but then you wonder why.
- JohnFergusonJr

They could find physical, heart and soul guys for less than 4.5M per season. Most of them wouldn't get suspended 3 times in 4 years. If the Leafs offered Nylander for Kadri do you think Colorado says no?

Again, the point wasn't to compare their skill level. It's to compare their discipline record. Marchard was a far more undisciplined player and figured out to stop getting suspended. That was the point. Obtuse is your inability to comprehend that.

Exactly, nobody blamed him.

poop defensively and a pending UFA. Bad trade, bad argument to defend it.
- JohnFergusonJr

Marchand has never been suspended during a playoff series. He's also only been suspended twice more than Kadri and for a total of 5 more games. So no, he's not "far more undisciplined". He makes a lot more noise than Kadri because he's far more impactful and is an uber-pest.

Obtuse is your inability to put together a logical comparison. Keep trying though, bro. I mean, you named yourself after one of the most obtuse GMers ever, so I guess you've correctly estimated your hockey IQ capabilities.

Kadri wasn't blamed by teammates outwardly but that doesn't mean his braindead suspensions were pleasantly received by teammates who put faith in a player's ability to make smart, team-first decisions.

I believe my unfalsifiable argument here is far more logical than your half-baked, and unfalsifiable bs. So I win... again.

Barrie is orders of magnitude better than any other RHD the Leafs currently have. And he was acquired for 50% retained. It wasn't a slam dunk trade but his defensive lapses are overrated AF.

Don’t tease me...
- Steven_Seagull

My bad. Sorry to get all 3 inches up..

Trump has national guard use tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets to clear a completely peaceful crowd so he can have photo op in front of church. He gets there, stands in front of church holding bible upside down.

Clown show
- Canada Cup

What a goof.

It's hysterical seeing people try to spin and try to down play this idiocy.

My bad. Sorry to get all 3 feet up..
- PatC80

You were right...

You were right...
- Steven_Seagull

It's still 3 times bigger than me no one..

(frank) off, Klansman.
- Steven_Seagull

Like in the movie...

Nah, you're definitely wrong.

It was a bad trade at the time, easily said it was at the time too and it only got worse.

Babcock had nothing to do with it being a bad trade. Barrie was a pending UFA and the Leafs weren't in a position to spend that much on a rental. And Kerfoot is just poop.
- JohnFergusonJr

I'm definitely wrong?
Ok.
So you're saying yes they needed Kadri more than a top 4 RHD.
We would have had Ceci, Marincin, and maybe an untested, rookie in Liljegren.

Marchand has never been suspended during a playoff series. He's also only been suspended twice more than Kadri and for a total of 5 more games. So no, he's not "far more undisciplined". He makes a lot more noise than Kadri because he's far more impactful and is an uber-pest.
- mjones242

So Marchard has been suspended more than Kadri? Great. Thanks for proving yourself wrong again and showing he's more undisciplined because that was exactly the point. Everybody in the NHL knows Marchands antics and how much he toned it down in recent years. It's easy to see all you have to do is look.

Kadri wasn't blamed by teammates outwardly but that doesn't mean his braindead suspensions were pleasantly received by teammates who put faith in a player's ability to make smart, team-first decisions.

Irrelevant.

Barrie is orders of magnitude better than any other RHD the Leafs currently have. And he was acquired for 50% retained. It wasn't a slam dunk trade but his defensive lapses are overrated AF.

He's terrible defensively and he's a rental. Bad trade, bad argument yet again.

They could find physical, heart and soul guys for less than 4.5M per season. Most of them wouldn't get suspended 3 times in 4 years. If the Leafs offered Nylander for Kadri do you think Colorado says no?
- PatC80

Kadri brings a total package that isn't commonly found. And no, you won't find a player at that price who brings that package.

Another slanted "Kadri for Nylander" question.

Kadri and a top pair RHD for Nylander. Try that on for size.

Like in the movie...
- kaptaan

So Marchard has been suspended more than Kadri? Great. Thanks for proving yourself wrong again and showing he's more undisciplined because that was exactly the point. Everybody in the NHL knows Marchands antics and how much he toned it down in recent years. It's easy to see all you have to do is look.



Irrelevant.



He's terrible defensively and he's a rental. Bad trade, bad argument yet again.
- JohnFergusonJr

What do you mean irrelevant? Let's say his teammates did turn on him behind closed doors, how is that irrelevant? That would seem, I don't know, relevant.

Kadri brings a total package that isn't commonly found. And no, you won't find a player at that price who brings that package.

Another slanted "Kadri for Nylander" question.

Kadri and a top pair RHD for Nylander. Try that on for size.
- JohnFergusonJr

This is one heck of a comedy routine you've got.

So Marchard has been suspended more than Kadri? Great. Thanks for proving yourself wrong again and showing he's more undisciplined because that was exactly the point. Everybody in the NHL knows Marchands antics and how much he toned it down in recent years. It's easy to see all you have to do is look.

Irrelevant.

He's terrible defensively and he's a rental. Bad trade, bad argument yet again.
- JohnFergusonJr

Marchand has never been suspended during the playoffs while Kadri has... twice. I've demonstrated that he is more disciplined.

Completely relevant.

Good argument by me. Weak retort by you.

Kadri brings a total package that isn't commonly found. And no, you won't find a player at that price who brings that package.

Another slanted "Kadri for Nylander" question.

Kadri and a top pair RHD for Nylander. Try that on for size.
- JohnFergusonJr

Thank you for agreeing with me though. Nylander is more valuable than Kadri

Kadri brings a total package that isn't commonly found. And no, you won't find a player at that price who brings that package.

Another slanted "Kadri for Nylander" question.

Kadri and a top pair RHD for Nylander. Try that on for size.
- JohnFergusonJr

Kadri is the new Michael Peca. Or is it Robbie Earl. Or Doughty.