Kadri wouldn't have made that mistake again and deserved another chance.

No he wasn't because unlike Kerfoot, he's actually capable of playing center and winning FOs. Kerfoot is horrible at FOs and plays with zero intensity. Big surprise, the Leafs have next to zero heart, passion and intensity, all areas of weakness for Dubas' team.

Barrie was poop defensively in Colorado and he's even more poop defensively in Toronto. Right handed Gardiner is all he's been and he's gone as a UFA so a poopty rental is all he has been.

Bad trade from day one that got worse as time went on.
- JohnFergusonJr

We can debate this all night. I hope we don't but we could

That's pretty much it. Kadri couldn't help us if he got suspended
- PatC80

That’s it in a nutshell. Still I don’t like the trade. It wasn’t horrible it just wasn’t anything significant to help the team. The Av’s had the depth to make the deal.

Nah.

Kadri cost the Leafs two playoff series and there was no sense in keeping him around with AM34 and JT ahead of him.

Tavares has been a relatively healthy player over the past few seasons so losing him for 10 games was unexpected but not worth keeping Kadri, presciently, around for.

Kerfoot has been mediocre but not terrible.

Barrie was absolutely LOST under Inflexible Babs. He seemed to pull it together under Keefe who recognized the player he had. No one would deny Barrie's defensive deficiencies, but he is 10x better than the next RHD the Leafs currently have on their roster.

Perhaps Brodie would have fit the bill better than Tyson, but we'll never know. Some Flames fans have indicated the Brodie wasn't all that hot playing on his off-side though, so he may have been a disaster.

Meh... Dubas had to make a move, it didn't work out as planned but I think a lot of that blame has to do with a coach who refused to play his players to their strengths and was routinely outcoached because he would stick to his flawed gameplan to the bitter end.

Babs is essentially this era's Viktor Tikhonov, who famously would never pull his goalie despite being down by a goal (on multiple occassions) in the final mins of play because he just couldn't accept that his pre-game strategy wouldn't pull through.
- mjones242

I agree with this.

I don't fault dubas for making the move, however, I wish he had been more patient with the move and held out for a dman with term who was better suited to the lineup than Barrie.

I have all the respect in the world for the idea that that's real easy to say from my side of the fence.

Kudos to you for still having the patience to explain this to people who can't figure it out on their own.
- joel878

Patience I have, I got kids. Treat JFJ like a child it makes it easier

I agree with this.

I don't fault dubas for making the move, however, I wish he had been more patient with the move and held out for a dman with term who was better suited to the lineup than Barrie.

I have all the respect in the world for the idea that that's real easy to say from my side of the fence.
- joel878

The issue was Kadri blocking the trade with calgary. That kind of forced his hand

Nah.

Kadri cost the Leafs two playoff series and there was no sense in keeping him around with AM34 and JT ahead of him.

Tavares has been a relatively healthy player over the past few seasons so losing him for 10 games was unexpected but not worth keeping Kadri, presciently, around for.

Kerfoot has been mediocre but not terrible.

Barrie was absolutely LOST under Inflexible Babs. He seemed to pull it together under Keefe who recognized the player he had. No one would deny Barrie's defensive deficiencies, but he is 10x better than the next RHD the Leafs currently have on their roster.

Perhaps Brodie would have fit the bill better than Tyson, but we'll never know. Some Flames fans have indicated the Brodie wasn't all that hot playing on his off-side though, so he may have been a disaster.

Meh... Dubas had to make a move, it didn't work out as planned but I think a lot of that blame has to do with a coach who refused to play his players to their strengths and was routinely outcoached because he would stick to his flawed gameplan to the bitter end.

Babs is essentially this era's Viktor Tikhonov, who famously would never pull his goalie despite being down by a goal (on multiple occassions) in the final mins of play because he just couldn't accept that his pre-game strategy wouldn't pull through.
- mjones242

Pinning the goat horns solely on Kadri is too easy. Signing JT was great on the surface but his contract makes flexibility very tough let alone the domino effect it created. Taking nothing away from JT but til it pays off it’s still left the problem of fixing the D. Lots is riding on Sandin & Lilly to help on that but will they face the heat that will be transferred on them unfairly if it doesn’t work out?

Kudos to you for still having the patience to explain this to people who can't figure it out on their own.
- joel878

It made sense at the time, but a year later and seeing what every player provided I would take that trade back. Kadri was a better fit here. I understand the suspensions but when he is in the lineup he can be a difference maker.

You would hope he would learn and grow from those suspensions and how he cost the team.

He was also great at shutting down top lines and could free up tavares and Matthews.

I want that trade back.

I agree with this.

I don't fault dubas for making the move, however, I wish he had been more patient with the move and held out for a dman with term who was better suited to the lineup than Barrie.

I have all the respect in the world for the idea that that's real easy to say from my side of the fence.
- joel878

Yes hold out for a better D option agreed.

The issue was Kadri blocking the trade with calgary. That kind of forced his hand
- PatC80

Do you think Dubas is very good at playing hardball with players or trading?

Ppl like you only want to drive ppl away that want to talk hockey. Get over yourself.
- Nighthawk

We talk about many subjects, mostly hockey, although that has been difficult lately. You make an insulting comparison and follow up with a bullsh!t post. You are no Ahjay that's for sure. Sometimes like Kaaptan, sometimes reasonable don't dish it out if you can't take it.

That’s it in a nutshell. Still I don’t like the trade. It wasn’t horrible it just wasn’t anything significant to help the team. The Av’s had the depth to make the deal.
- Nighthawk

The Avs had the defensive depth to make the move. We lacked a quality RHD.

Pinning the goat horns solely on Kadri is too easy. Signing JT was great on the surface but his contract makes flexibility very tough let alone the domino effect it created. Taking nothing away from JT but til it pays off it’s still left the problem of fixing the D. Lots is riding on Sandin & Lilly to help on that but will they face the heat that will be transferred on them unfairly if it doesn’t work out?
- Nighthawk

It's kind of hard to argue that Kadri is a difference maker but then say that he can't wear the goat horns for both playoff losses.

JT was an absolute no brainer signing. There is literally no downside to locking up one of the Top 10 Cs in the league for the contract they were able to sign him for.

Sure, it creates more tension with respect to the salary cap, but Dubas has proved capable of navigating it despite being left with Lou Lams albatrosses.

The Leafs are just fine. IMHO, they're one stud RHD away from being a serious Cup contender and there are plenty of moves that could be made to make it happen with a bit of finesse.

Do you think Dubas is very good at playing hardball with players or trading?
- Nighthawk

I think he overpaid for Marner. JT was a great signing but it sped up the process. Once JT signed, you could see that Matthews would ask for more. I think he deserves it. I'm happy with Dubas do far. I like the Muzzin and Campbell trade too.

We talk about many subjects, mostly hockey, although that has been difficult lately. You make an insulting comparison and follow up with a bullsh!t post. You are no Ahjay that's for sure. Sometimes like Kaaptan, sometimes reasonable don't dish it out if you can't take it.
- winsix

Speak for yourself not others. What insult did I lay down? Btw you are quick to go after other fans before talking hockey or other topics. Lighten up.

It made sense at the time, but a year later and seeing what every player provided I would take that trade back. Kadri was a better fit here. I understand the suspensions but when he is in the lineup he can be a difference maker.

You would hope he would learn and grow from those suspensions and how he cost the team.

He was also great at shutting down top lines and could free up tavares and Matthews.

I want that trade back.
- bryant

Hindsight is a (female dog). What can you do?

I think he overpaid for Marner. JT was a great signing but it sped up the process. Once JT signed, you could see that Matthews would ask for more. I think he deserves it. I'm happy with Dubas do far. I like the Muzzin and Campbell trade too.
- PatC80

Yeah, I tend to agree with you. One wonders if Babs being signed for several more years made negotiations a tad more difficult.

Was Kadri for Kerplunk and Slicing Berries (50% retained on his contract) worse than the Marleau with a first?
Both Stinkers from the Boy Blunder, but what’s worse? Yikes.
- DrunkenCanuck

the bold was a nice touch

It's kind of hard to argue that Kadri is a difference maker but then say that he can't wear the goat horns for both playoff losses.

JT was an absolute no brainer signing. There is literally no downside to locking up one of the Top 10 Cs in the league for the contract they were able to sign him for.

Sure, it creates more tension with respect to the salary cap, but Dubas has proved capable of navigating it despite being left with Lou Lams albatrosses.

The Leafs are just fine. IMHO, they're one stud RHD away from being a serious Cup contender and there are plenty of moves that could be made to make it happen with a bit of finesse.
- mjones242

Kadri is better suited to be a 2C not a 3C. The trade didn't work out in the Leafs favour but it had to happen

The Avs had the defensive depth to make the move. We lacked a quality RHD.
- PatC80

True & many teams are looking for RHD. It’s been an age problem with not so many of them historically. Strange LHD seem to be more dime a dozen & the anomaly Canada produces an inordinate amount of lefties vs righties when most ppl are righties.

The Avs had the defensive depth to make the move. We lacked a quality RHD.
- PatC80

Barrie underperformed for sure, I liked the trade at the time, hindsight is 20-20. It didn't work out. At the same time the Muzzin deal seams to be a good one. The first rounder that LA got is still only a question mark at this point. Muzzin is a solid d-man.

Hindsight is a (female dog). What can you do?
- mjones242

Yup.

After a year with kerfoot and Barrie and with what they brought to the table. Barrie is 100% leaving and we have a poor mans kadri in kerfoot left.

I’m not sure how people could say they would do that trade over again looking at this season.

Yeah, I tend to agree with you. One wonders if Babs being signed for several more years made negotiations a tad more difficult.
- mjones242

After Babs was fired and those stories came out I could see why Marner wanted more money. Dubas could have just told Marner that he'd fire Babs soon.

It's kind of hard to argue that Kadri is a difference maker but then say that he can't wear the goat horns for both playoff losses.

JT was an absolute no brainer signing. There is literally no downside to locking up one of the Top 10 Cs in the league for the contract they were able to sign him for.

Sure, it creates more tension with respect to the salary cap, but Dubas has proved capable of navigating it despite being left with Lou Lams albatrosses.

The Leafs are just fine. IMHO, they're one stud RHD away from being a serious Cup contender and there are plenty of moves that could be made to make it happen with a bit of finesse.
- mjones242

I can agree other than many teams can claim 1 stud RHD is the answer.

I think he overpaid for Marner. JT was a great signing but it sped up the process. Once JT signed, you could see that Matthews would ask for more. I think he deserves it. I'm happy with Dubas do far. I like the Muzzin and Campbell trade too.
- PatC80

Muzzin & Campbell were needed good trades. The price was fair.

Speak for yourself not others. What insult did I lay down? Btw you are quick to go after other fans before talking hockey or other topics. Lighten up.
- Nighthawk

Have a look and figure it out. I much prefer a civil conversation about hockey or any topic.