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- Steven_Seagull

Kadri is better suited to be a 2C not a 3C. The trade didn't work out in the Leafs favour but it had to happen
- PatC80

The loose cannon side of Kadri made it a lightning rod situation.

If Kadri was more open he could’ve really helped many teams. As it worked out he landed in probably the best team to play for. The Av’s are gonna dominate for many years with the talent & prospects they have.

Are we having fun yet?
- jimi james

http://www.arcadedivision...2/classics/ms-pacman.html

I think he overpaid for Marner. JT was a great signing but it sped up the process. Once JT signed, you could see that Matthews would ask for more. I think he deserves it. I'm happy with Dubas do far. I like the Muzzin and Campbell trade too.
- PatC80

I think marner based his salary off of Matthews. Which sucks because they are both great players but there is a bigger difference in salary then 900k or whatever it is when you get that high.

Also Friedman said that Toronto was under the impression that Matthews was going to be offer sheeted at the max from Arizona. Leafs got screwed by having 2 great talents coming to new contracts at the same time and they obviously chose Matthews to sign first and screw around with marner which didn’t make much of difference because he still got pretty close in value. They just got an extra year or 2 with marner.

Barrie underperformed for sure, I liked the trade at the time, hindsight is 20-20. It didn't work out. At the same time the Muzzin deal seams to be a good one. The first rounder that LA got is still only a question mark at this point. Muzzin is a solid d-man.
- winsix

The Muzzin trade was a good one, we have no one that plays that style. I liked the Kadri/Barrie trade, he was a legit top 4 RHD and 50+point guy. Babs trying to turn him into a defensive d-man

Barrie underperformed for sure, I liked the trade at the time, hindsight is 20-20. It didn't work out. At the same time the Muzzin deal seams to be a good one. The first rounder that LA got is still only a question mark at this point. Muzzin is a solid d-man.
- winsix

Leafs need what Muzzin brings. No doubt about that & he is helping in that regard.

It made sense at the time, but a year later and seeing what every player provided I would take that trade back. Kadri was a better fit here. I understand the suspensions but when he is in the lineup he can be a difference maker.

You would hope he would learn and grow from those suspensions and how he cost the team.

He was also great at shutting down top lines and could free up tavares and Matthews.

I want that trade back.
- bryant

I do to, hindsight is a beautiful thing.

My main point was I didn't fault doobies logic in making such a trade, but I wish he had been more patient with it.

But I say that from the armchair side. Once the Brodie trade was shot down, maybe Barrie was the only thing that was within reach, Kyle felt like that wasn't going to change and it was now or never on the trigger.

It's easy to chuck stones when you're one of the guys on the buzz every day and not in the leafs main office and privy to all that info like that little female dog uggie.

Muzzin & Campbell were needed good trades. The price was fair.
- Nighthawk

These were both good trades, and it appears at this point that Dubas did better than LA on the Muzzin deal. The draft pick might pan out yet, but Muzzin is a top four d-man on just about any team. Easy to make a bad trade when d-men are involved. Oilers and Sharks both lost big IMO on the Larsson and Karlsson deals

Muzzin & Campbell were needed good trades. The price was fair.
- Nighthawk

I’m good with both of these trades.

Campbell looked great in the small sample size. I think he could be a very good backup that challenges Andersen for the starting position.

We’ll see but he was a first round pick that slid in pretty well this crazy market.

Plus if he is any good it could take these ease off of Andersen’s next contract.

I’m good with both of these trades.

Campbell looked great in the small sample size. I think he could be a very good backup that challenges Andersen for the starting position.

We’ll see but he was a first round pick that slid in pretty well this crazy market.

Plus if he is any good it could take these ease off of Andersen’s next contract.
- bryant

Freddie needed a G that could relieve him more & not be a plug. Now he has to focus on his game & do a team friendly deal. He’s not getting younger & the Leafs need him to hold the fort in the PO’s. CBJ isn’t an offensive scary team nor take them lightly but they bust their asses better than most teams. They are no fun to play against & a very tough test if the next step is to be taken.

I can agree other than many teams can claim 1 stud RHD is the answer.
- Nighthawk

total bullpoop

I do to, hindsight is a beautiful thing.

My main point was I didn't fault doobies logic in making such a trade, but I wish he had been more patient with it.

But I say that from the armchair side. Once the Brodie trade was shot down, maybe Barrie was the only thing that was within reach, Kyle felt like that wasn't going to change and it was now or never on the trigger.

It's easy to chuck stones when you're one of the guys on the buzz every day and not in the leafs main office and privy to all that info like that little female dog uggie.
- joel878

Ya agreed.

Also wasn’t Brodie the one that collapsed on the ice this year?

I think he’s doing alright now but that was a scary situation for a bit.

Beating a healthy team like CBJ is easy to overlook how well designed they are & how well coached as well.

Freddie needed a G that could relieve him more & not be a plug. Now he has to focus on his game & do a team friendly deal. He’s not getting younger & the Leafs need him to hold the fort in the PO’s. CBJ isn’t an offensive scary team nor take them lightly but they bust their asses better than most teams. They are no fun to play against & a very tough test if the next step is to be taken.
- Nighthawk

People keep saying that about Columbus but at the end of the day the leafs HAVE to win this series. They’re the better team and have come up against Boston and Washington the last 3 years. I think they’ll take the next step this year.

Rosen was part of the Kadri trade.

"The Toronto Maple Leafs announced today that the club has acquired defenceman Calle Rosen from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for goaltender Michael Hutchinson."

We can debate this all night. I hope we don't but we could
- PatC80

There's not much of a debate to be had. Kadri was the best player in the deal with the best contract that filled needs that the Leafs have. It was a bad trade that got worse with time and it was a mistake.

http://www.arcadedivision.com/classicgame2/classics/ms-pacman.html
- dmnted

Beating a healthy team like CBJ is easy to overlook how well designed they are & how well coached as well.
- Nighthawk

Torts has been there, done that.

If we don't go in and run them over with a freight train of goals, we will get outcoached and lose this series in my opinion.

There's not much of a debate to be had. Kadri was the best player in the deal with the best contract that filled needs that the Leafs have. It was a bad trade that got worse with time and it was a mistake.
- JohnFergusonJr

So at the time of the trade the Leafs needed Kadri more than they needed a top 4 RHD?

Torts has been there, done that.

If we don't go in and run them over with a freight train of goals, we will get outcoached and lose this series in my opinion.
- jimi james

Keefe seems more open to change his game plan compared to the previous head coach the Leafs had

Kadri is better suited to be a 2C not a 3C. The trade didn't work out in the Leafs favour but it had to happen
- PatC80

Disagree. Kadri doesn't have the pedigree to be a 2C on a legit Cup contender.

So at the time of the trade the Leafs needed Kadri more than they needed a top 4 RHD?
- PatC80

Bobby Orr says hi, he wishes he had a #1 RHD on one of his teams, he could have done so much better.

Disagree. Kadri doesn't have the pedigree to be a 2C on a legit Cup contender.
- mjones242

That could be true and as a 3C he's overpriced. When the top 2 are both making over $11M

I called it on Kermit too... I got a lot stuff right on the predictions...

Keep posting JFJ, your political and societal insights are appreciated.
- kaptaan

no

So at the time of the trade the Leafs needed Kadri more than they needed a top 4 RHD?
- PatC80

Yes because Barrie sucks defensively. The Leafs have offensive D, they don't have guys who can play defense. And Barrie was a mess defensively. He's also a pending UFA which means he's a rental. The Leafs did not need a poopty RHD rental.

Kadri, on the other hand, is a heart and soul player who brings intensity with a good long term contract. Brings more physicality, passion and drive every game. I'd rather have the player who brings that element to the game that the Leafs don't have enough of.

Good contract, character player > poopty defensively rental.