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Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jun 6 @ 4:41 PM ET
General question: you talk frequently about buying wins. What does that mean, and what data are you using to determine what buying wins means?
- kingcong39



Glad you asked. We often hear about adding scoring, defense, playmaking etc. and that's all well in good but the real goal, especially in a hard cap, should be to buy as many wins as possible with the cap space you're given.

Buying wins is just saying if i spend this much money or this many assets, how many wins am i adding to my current team in this transaction. The distinction from saying buying goals/assists is you could very well add a player who scores 30, but takes wins off your team. Either they give back more defensively than they provide offensively, or they're simply a bad fit for the makeup of your team.

As for the data, it's the usual stuff (XG, CA, usage etc.) but you weigh it against the current roster, its results, makeup.

This was the big kerfuffle over Patrik Laine because for a while after his rookie year, even though he was scoring all these goals, his on ice play when he wasn't shooting the puck was so bad, that the on ice impact for the Jets was a negative.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 4:44 PM ET


EDIT: Uncut Gems is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

- feetontheair22

(insert a bunch of yelling)


the last 10 minutes was really good though
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 4:46 PM ET
Michael Ghofrani: Assessing Potential Sabres Free Agent Options: Mikael Granlund
- Michael Ghofrani

4 or 5 years at 5 per


doubt he takes it


he has wheels
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 4:48 PM ET
His best years were while he played Center for the Wild. He immediately fell off a cliff (points-wise) once he was traded to Nashville and converted to RW with less responsibility/ice time. I would think the Sabres could get a year or two out of him at Center, if needed, and allow Cozens and/or Mitts to further develop... then Granlund could always switch back to RW on the backend of his contract. I think at $4.5 million he would be a good fit as I think Krueger would work well with him and understanding his European style of play. Thank you for the data analysis.
- djc1877

most players have a point production once they go to the preds


perhaps it's their d first system
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 6 @ 5:19 PM ET
(insert a bunch of yelling)


the last 10 minutes was really good though

- homiedclown


Honestly the only thing that pissed me off more than the 1 hour and 50 minutes of yelling was the last 10 minutes of bullpoop nihilistic ending.

EDIT: I feel like the whole movie was an excuse for Adam Sandler to hang out with Kevin Garnett....who...surprise surprise...is not a great actor.

DOUBLE EDIT: The only redeeming feature of that movie is the (frank)in AMAZING HOT ASS of Julia Fox
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 6 @ 5:23 PM ET
Would like to see him and Skinner flying down the ice together, could feed off each other. If the contract is right I would sign him. We need playmaker's, and he can do that.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:26 PM ET
Does 2 not count as a few? Assuming near full health (i know, its a stretch) looking at around 100 GP before he turns 30
- Michael Ghofrani


No, especially when it's under 2 years.

2 is a couple while 3 or 4 is a few.
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jun 6 @ 5:30 PM ET
No, especially when it's under 2 years.

2 is a couple while 3 or 4 is a few.

- kingcong39



https://www.powerscore.co...,be%20as%20low%20as%20two.

Edit: In fairness when I wrote this I blanked on the very likely scenario that next season starts January 1st
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 5:31 PM ET
No, especially when it's under 2 years.

2 is a couple while 3 or 4 is a few.

- kingcong39

What is considered a few?
While many people would agree that "a few" means three or more, the actual dictionary definition of "a few" is, "not many but more than one." So, "a few" cannot be one, but it can be as low as two.




kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:35 PM ET
What is considered a few?
While many people would agree that "a few" means three or more, the actual dictionary definition of "a few" is, "not many but more than one." So, "a few" cannot be one, but it can be as low as two.

- homiedclown


Read his comment above yours.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 5:38 PM ET
Read his comment above yours.
- kingcong39

the dictionary says a few can be as little as two


kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:39 PM ET
What is considered a few?
While many people would agree that "a few" means three or more, the actual dictionary definition of "a few" is, "not many but more than one." So, "a few" cannot be one, but it can be as low as two.

- homiedclown


If many would agree, that is what really matters?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:40 PM ET
the dictionary says a few can be as little as two


- homiedclown


See how many people call 2 a few or call 2 a couple, and get back to me.
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jun 6 @ 5:41 PM ET
If many would agree, that is what really matters?
- kingcong39



I guess it's socially acceptable vs literal. Im okay with either accepted definition but i usually call 2 a few. Probably because I'm a nerd, or something.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:43 PM ET
I guess it's socially acceptable vs literal. Im okay with either accepted definition but i usually call 2 a few. Probably because I'm a nerd, or something.
- Michael Ghofrani


Example: I tell all the bigshots where I work that something has a few years before happening, and they then find out it's actually 2, or worse, less than 2? I get poop from all of them for improperly defining the time frame. Their reaction would be significantly worse if I correct them to say a few can be more than one and I'm technically correct.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 5:45 PM ET
See how many people call 2 a few or call 2 a couple, and get back to me.
- kingcong39

I am not chasing down that rabbit hole


between kaiser, beady, alex the great, loserdclown and whatever other names they are know as


pretty tired of their abuse so I am taking a break of confrontation


of course the mods of this site has been given my username and password so they can view the lovely 30 plus messages and if beady is gone a while, so be it




side note I view a few as 3 or 4, shocked when I saw more then 1
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 6 @ 5:51 PM ET
Welp guys it's going to be the end of the world soon...

kiter will love this...

https://m.worldstarhiphop...hp?v=wshh2zQ5NC76Q8B8O151
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 6 @ 5:55 PM ET
RFA's
Reinhart - use as trade bait
Montour - use as trade bait, resign at 4 × $4.25m
Kahun - resign at 4 x $2.85m
Olofsson - resign 5 x $4.5m
Ullmark - resign at 3 x $2.25m
Lazar - resign at 3 x $1.1m

UFA's
Simmonds - let walk
Frolik - let walk
Girgensons - let walk
Larson - resign at 2 x $1.9m IF Compliance Buyout approved (used on Okposso)
Vesey - resign at 2 x $2.35m

Trade Candidates
Reinhart
Mojo
Montour
Risto
Miller
Thompson
Mittlestadt

Trade Targets
2C: Dylan Strome
1RW: Alex Tuch
2RW: Josh Anderson
3C: Nick Bonino

UFA Targets
LhD: Dylan DeMelo
RhD: Travis Hamonic / Radco Gudas
G: Aaron Dell

Skinner - Eichel - Tuch
Olofsson - Strome - Josh Anderson
Kahun - Bonino - Cozens
Vesey - Lazar - Okposo/Larson

Dahlin - Hamonic/Gudas
DeMelo - Risto/Montour
McCabe - Joker

Ullmark
A Dell.

I would think that gets the Boys into the PO picture
loserdclown
Joined: 06.06.2020

Jun 6 @ 6:08 PM ET
I am not chasing down that rabbit hole


between kaiser, beady, alex the great, loserdclown and whatever other names they are know as


pretty tired of their abuse so I am taking a break of confrontation


of course the mods of this site has been given my username and password so they can view the lovely 30 plus messages and if beady is gone a while, so be it




side note I view a few as 3 or 4, shocked when I saw more then 1

- homiedclown

You are the biggest paper tiger, typical teachers pet kind of true take your ball and go home loser I have ever encountered in my life, you are the guy who bullies the small dude and gets punched to the ground, the little innocent me act is old and 1 night of telling you what you really are and you get the site involved, you are insane.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 6:10 PM ET
Welp guys it's going to be the end of the world soon...

kiter will love this...

https://m.worldstarhiphop...hp?v=wshh2zQ5NC76Q8B8O151

- gerbe75pts

the asteroids are taking us out next week
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 6:13 PM ET
You are the biggest paper tiger, typical teachers pet kind of true take your ball and go home loser I have ever encountered in my life, you are the guy who bullies the small dude and gets punched to the ground, the little innocent me act is old and 1 night of telling you what you really are and you get the site involved, you are insane.
- loserdclown



1 or 2 , whatever



30


sorry that is harassment


kiss your trailer goodbye beady
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 6 @ 6:58 PM ET
Glad you asked. We often hear about adding scoring, defense, playmaking etc. and that's all well in good but the real goal, especially in a hard cap, should be to buy as many wins as possible with the cap space you're given.

Buying wins is just saying if i spend this much money or this many assets, how many wins am i adding to my current team in this transaction. The distinction from saying buying goals/assists is you could very well add a player who scores 30, but takes wins off your team. Either they give back more defensively than they provide offensively, or they're simply a bad fit for the makeup of your team.

As for the data, it's the usual stuff (XG, CA, usage etc.) but you weigh it against the current roster, its results, makeup.

This was the big kerfuffle over Patrik Laine because for a while after his rookie year, even though he was scoring all these goals, his on ice play when he wasn't shooting the puck was so bad, that the on ice impact for the Jets was a negative.

- Michael Ghofrani



Over simplification for sure, but seems as though it is an attempt to create individualized +/-.
My beef in using xGF is that ignores a specific player's shooting quality and therefore needs to contain that specific metric to really individualize it and be relative to a specific player.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 6 @ 7:05 PM ET
If many would agree, that is what really matters?
- kingcong39


Few is obviously a relative term, nit picking for a couple of months seems pointless.

Kinda like when I posted a Buyout on Hodgson at $900k in the context of an ~$83m roster,
When it is really $791,666.67
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 6 @ 7:07 PM ET
I get confused with all these different metrics you guys use. What ever happened to does he produce on the ice or not. Something in Nashville just didn't click with Granlund.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 6 @ 7:12 PM ET
You are the biggest paper tiger, typical teachers pet kind of true take your ball and go home loser I have ever encountered in my life, you are the guy who bullies the small dude and gets punched to the ground, the little innocent me act is old and 1 night of telling you what you really are and you get the site involved, you are insane.
- loserdclown


Up the dosage dude.
This is very weak.
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