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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Ghofrani: Sabres fire Jason Botterill, Promote Kevyn Adams To General Manager
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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 11:14 AM ET
I think ideally next year Kahun, MOJO and Olofsson on the 3rd line. They looked good together, and could actually give us secondary scoring.

Bring in a 2nd line center and have the top 6 with eichel, Reinhart, skinner and new center. Plug in a cheap winger on line 1 and 2 and try to roll with a legit top 9.

- Mentalorgasm5

Not bad, but where do you project Cozens playing. I would be very surprised if they sent him back to JR's
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:14 AM ET
I'll agree.

He actually has a personality and is very articulate.

What that means when it's time to negotiate a deal, who knows? 😂

- Powerslave

I was sort of wondering the same. I wondered how botts sounded on trade calls.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:17 AM ET
Not bad, but where do you project Cozens playing. I would be very surprised if they sent him back to JR's
- Buff36

he should be in the juniors imo.

I really feel too many teams rush prospects.

Its bad for the cap, its bad for the players growth.

Imo, maybe 3 to 5 players should be in the NHL within 18 months of being drafted.

BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jun 17 @ 11:17 AM ET
Even looking at Carolina who has a reputation of having a really smart management team.

Without getting lucky on post first rounders like Slavin, Pesce, Aho, and winning a lotto ticket for Svech, how smart are they really? And i'm not discrediting them but still

Just so much is luck

- sbroads24


Luck is a huge part of it. That's why the shift in philosophy since Francis was let go.

Swing for the fences on everything at the draft.

Most of that reputation comes from having a system where every decision, whether on personnel, marketing, whatever, has to be backed up by data that says "Yes, this makes us better."
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 17 @ 11:17 AM ET
I think ideally next year Kahun, MOJO and Olofsson on the 3rd line. They looked good together, and could actually give us secondary scoring.

Bring in a 2nd line center and have the top 6 with eichel, Reinhart, skinner and new center. Plug in a cheap winger on line 1 and 2 and try to roll with a legit top 9.

- Mentalorgasm5


For sure. The point was to get the cap under 75M. One of Miller or MoJo has to go along with Risto or Montour for it to work
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
The bills Are fine and they have their hands all up in them and yet they're almost a super bowl team ..

You guys need to relax they're not the problem ...

I've been telling you guys for years they like being like Jerry Jones and now you guys are worried?

I'm excited hope Adam's works out

- gerbe75pts


So the last 9 years have purely been coincidental?
Got it.

Your logic is non-existent.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
he should be in the juniors imo.

I really feel too many teams rush prospects.

Its bad for the cap, its bad for the players growth.

Imo, maybe 3 to 5 players should be in the NHL within 18 months of being drafted.

- Mentalorgasm5

I don't think he learns anymore in Juniors, and how is it bad for the cap having a player on his ELC, could be wrong imo.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
can't remember who posted a thesis that botts was against long-term deals and that he didn't want to hand jack that long of a deal...

simple fact, jack was getting max term at that price...for botts to think or hope or want otherwise is ridiculous

- Michael Pachla


It came from E Freidman's podcast. Elliot stated that.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jun 17 @ 11:25 AM ET
Luck is a huge part of it. That's why the shift in philosophy since Francis was let go.

Swing for the fences on everything at the draft.

Most of that reputation comes from having a system where every decision, whether on personnel, marketing, whatever, has to be backed up by data that says "Yes, this makes us better."

- BINGO!



Which is to say that the owner does not tolerate "gut feelings" when it comes to things he has to spend money on, which I would suspect is only bolstered by the AAF fiasco.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jun 17 @ 11:25 AM ET
It came from E Freidman's podcast. Elliot stated that.
- IonSabres



Elliott also said he thinks the Sabres need to upgrade their goaltending
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:26 AM ET
Elliott also said he thinks the Sabres need to upgrade their goaltending
- Powerslave


He also believes the sky is blue and the only two certainties in life are death and taxes.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:31 AM ET
Fax Machines for everyone !!!!!
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 17 @ 11:32 AM ET
I think ideally next year Kahun, MOJO and Olofsson on the 3rd line. They looked good together, and could actually give us secondary scoring.

Bring in a 2nd line center and have the top 6 with eichel, Reinhart, skinner and new center. Plug in a cheap winger on line 1 and 2 and try to roll with a legit top 9.

- Mentalorgasm5



Trade Sam
Trade Mojo
Trade Risto
Trade Montour
Trade Hutton
The above saves about $20m off last seasons roster

Insert Tage
Insert Mitts
Insert Cozens
Insert Johansson
The above adds about $4.5m

Trades are all for futures.
Gets you down to about $67m
Gets you down to about 65-70 points
Draft in Top 5 for next 3 years.



jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 17 @ 11:32 AM ET
With how much Adams has talked about communication and everyone understanding the plan, i get the sense that ownership, coaching and players were just as much in the dark about Botterill's plan and vision as the rest of us
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 17 @ 11:33 AM ET
Elliott also said he thinks the Sabres need to upgrade their goaltending
- Powerslave

he spelled owners wrong
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 17 @ 11:34 AM ET
With how much Adams has talked about communication and everyone understanding the plan, i get the sense that ownership, coaching and players were just as much in the dark about Botterill's plan and vision as the rest of us
- jcragcrumple

does skinner play with eichel or olofsson?



homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
Trade Sam
Trade Mojo
Trade Risto
Trade Montour
Trade Hutton
The above saves about $20m off last seasons roster

Insert Tage
Insert Mitts
Insert Cozens
Insert Johansson
The above adds about $4.5m

Trades are all for futures.
Gets you down to about $67m
Gets you down to about 65-70 points
Draft in Top 5 for next 3 years.

- IonSabres

buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:37 AM ET
With how much Adams has talked about communication and everyone understanding the plan, i get the sense that ownership, coaching and players were just as much in the dark about Botterill's plan and vision as the rest of us
- jcragcrumple


I'm getting "we don't know what the plan and vision is yet, but dammit, when we do, we will communicate it to everybody!"
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 11:39 AM ET
does skinner play with eichel or olofsson?
- homiedclown

Guess we will find out in about 6 months or so. What if Adams goes out and gets that 2C, do you leave Skinner on the 2nd line.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:41 AM ET
For sure. The point was to get the cap under 75M. One of Miller or MoJo has to go along with Risto or Montour for it to work
- SDSabre

I would be find moving montour, that it was a bad trade at the time of the trade, and is becoming more obvious it was.

Our forwards are so weak. I want to add there, not decrease.

We actually could ice a very solid bottom 6 with Olofsson, MOJO, Kahun, Asplund, Lazar, and Larsson.

We desperately need that 2nd line center to balance the forward group out.

I wouldn't hate Haula as a stop gap for a year or two until Cozens or another prospect is ready to step in

A plug in- Eichel- Reinhart
Skinner-Haula- plug in
Olofsson-Mojo-Kahun
Asplund-Lazar-Larsson

I think that could be a playoff group of forwards. I would like a better 2nd line center, i just don't if one is available.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 17 @ 11:42 AM ET
I'm getting "we don't know what the plan and vision is yet, but dammit, when we do, we will communicate it to everybody!"
- buffalofan19


Well, we tried Fast, North & South and couldn't break out past 25th for 3 seasons.
I suspect Slow, Old, Cheep and Physical. That way they can throw everything out the window and start over completely.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 11:43 AM ET
I was sort of wondering the same. I wondered how botts sounded on trade calls.
- Mentalorgasm5



Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:43 AM ET
Elliott also said he thinks the Sabres need to upgrade their goaltending
- Powerslave

if Adams goes after Holtby, he will instantly be on my poop-can list.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 11:43 AM ET
As bad as people make it sound, even without a true 2C, with better goaltending this team is in the playoffs. Improvements need to be made, but they have pieces to build around. Just find those 3 or 4 pieces to fit the puzzle and this isn't as bad as people are complaining about.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 17 @ 11:45 AM ET
Guess we will find out in about 6 months or so. What if Adams goes out and gets that 2C, do you leave Skinner on the 2nd line.
- Buff36


Depends on the 2C.
If he plays more like Jack did 2years ago as a playmaker, for Skinner to finish then yes.
If he is more of a shoot first then no.
I like Jack taking more shots as a sniper that being more of a set-up guy...he was the best sniper in the league last year.
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