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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 22 @ 10:45 AM ET
Accidentally flagged you.

Anyhow, it's possible. Then again for the upcoming season, we're not sure where the cap will end up so any internal cap on the roster, which isn't a given yet, might get lost in a reduced cap ceiling

- Michael Pachla

just let a guy with less then 2 seasons coaching in the nhl, put a 40 goal scorer on the third line and remove him from pp

and have a 1 eye goalie in net run the show with someone who has never even been an assistant GM "run the show" without interviewing anyone


sounds like a perfect game plan
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 10:49 AM ET
Or maybe Botts just sucked? Nah, can't be.
- Wetbandit1


He did suck.
He received a vote of confidence 3 weeks before from a condescending owner who knows more than everyone.
Amazing how much he sucked in those final 3 weeks, lol.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
just let a guy with less then 2 seasons coaching in the nhl, put a 40 goal scorer on the third line and remove him from pp

and have a 1 eye goalie in net run the show with someone who has never even been an assistant GM "run the show" without interviewing anyone


sounds like a perfect game plan

- homiedclown

Who do you move off the top pp to make room for skinner?
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:05 AM ET
Everyone wanted botts gone and now people still female dog about it lol

Terry put all his money into helping the sabres and it didn't work
He's doing something new ..

Let's all see wait happens

- gerbe75pts


Difficult to have patients on their 3rd go around.
But, we will have to wait and see, no other choice.

I may be wrong, I don't believe people are female doginv about Botts being fired, nor even the bloodletting in the Scouting Dept.
Rather, for me anyway, it is hiring a GM with absolutely zero experience in Hockey Operations coupled with no supporting staff for him to rely on, save 6 or 7 scouts and a head coach with 1-1/2 seasons of NHL coaching experience over the last 5 years.

There is a very significant rebuild necessary in the Hockey Ops Dept, a very significant offseason to rebuild the roster with many gaping holes in a now severely tarnished organization, and a Draft that the team needs to hit on.

Seattle has it easier and they have been planning for a year already and have another year to go...Adam's has about 3-1/2 months.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:09 AM ET
Difficult to have patients on their 3rd go around.
But, we will have to wait and see, no other choice.

I may be wrong, I don't believe people are female doginv about Botts being fired, nor even the bloodletting in the Scouting Dept.
Rather, for me anyway, it is hiring a GM with absolutely zero experience in Hockey Operations coupled with no supporting staff for him to rely on, save 6 or 7 scouts and a head coach with 1-1/2 seasons of NHL coaching experience over the last 5 years.

There is a very significant rebuild necessary in the Hockey Ops Dept, a very significant offseason to rebuild the roster with many gaping holes in a now severely tarnished organization, and a Draft that the team needs to hit on.

Seattle has it easier and they have been planning for a year already and have another year to go...Adam's has about 3-1/2 months.

- IonSabres


Watch us win the draft lottery and everyone will forger the last 2 weeks
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
Difficult to have patients on their 3rd go around.
But, we will have to wait and see, no other choice.

I may be wrong, I don't believe people are female doginv about Botts being fired, nor even the bloodletting in the Scouting Dept.
Rather, for me anyway, it is hiring a GM with absolutely zero experience in Hockey Operations coupled with no supporting staff for him to rely on, save 6 or 7 scouts and a head coach with 1-1/2 seasons of NHL coaching experience over the last 5 years.

There is a very significant rebuild necessary in the Hockey Ops Dept, a very significant offseason to rebuild the roster with many gaping holes in a now severely tarnished organization, and a Draft that the team needs to hit on.

Seattle has it easier and they have been planning for a year already and have another year to go...Adam's has about 3-1/2 months.

- IonSabres

Am interested to see who they hire first in the scouting dept.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/336076


Which one of you did this??
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:23 AM ET
nope

H8


much more then that

- homiedclown

Yup, thats why I typed more than that.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:27 AM ET
Am interested to see who they hire first in the scouting dept.
- Michael Pachla


I don't know who any of these guys were save for a couple anyway, doubt I know of any of the replacements.
I'm curious if the bulk up the Analytics staff by a couple, and who the AGM will be...if any.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:29 AM ET
Who do you move off the top pp to make room for skinner?
- Michael Pachla

johansson
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:30 AM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/336076


Which one of you did this??

- Stripes77

when olofsson got paid the same and reinhart, I stopped reading
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:43 AM ET
I don't know who any of these guys were save for a couple anyway, doubt I know of any of the replacements.
I'm curious if the bulk up the Analytics staff by a couple, and who the AGM will be...if any.

- IonSabres


perhaps i should have said who his first "big hire" (e.g. AGM, director of scouting)...point being, what are his credentials, how much of an analytics fan is he, how good is he at building a team to work under him, etc
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:45 AM ET
johansson
- homiedclown

their lineup was jack left half-wall, olofsson right, sam in front of and around the net, dahlin at one point...can't see skinner at the point on the powerplay...and besides, he's known more for his 5v5 scoring than pp scoring

edit: that said, i get your point
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 22 @ 11:48 AM ET
their lineup was jack left half-wall, olofsson right, sam in front of and around the net, dahlin at one point...can't see skinner at the point on the powerplay...and besides, he's known more for his 5v5 scoring than pp scoring

edit: that said, i get your point

- Michael Pachla


Honestly didn’t mind the Risto in front of the net. He may not be a lot of things, but a big guy is one of them. Hard to move, and pretty tough. Not Gerbe tough, but you get my point
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:50 AM ET
Honestly didn’t mind the Risto in front of the net. He may not be a lot of things, but a big guy is one of them. Hard to move, and pretty tough. Not Gerbe tough, but you get my point
- SDSabre

good point...actually forgot about that
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:52 AM ET
johansson
- homiedclown


The starting PP wings were VO and Sam with Jack as the center. When VO was injured they put Johansson because he handled the puck and passed it better. The PP was not a problem.

With Skinner I had the benefit of actually wanting him to succeed but he had a terrible year. Have you ever read books/articles people believe what they want to believe? I was in his camp when they signed him so I didn't have the belief that he should fail so he did, he just did this year. Many here believe what they want to believe you included.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:54 AM ET
The starting PP wings were VO and Sam with Jack as the center. When VO was injured they put Johansson because he handled the puck and passed it better. The PP was not a problem.

With Skinner I had the benefit of actually wanting him to succeed but he had a terrible year. Have you ever read books/articles people believe what they want to believe? I was in his camp when they signed him so I didn't have the belief that he should fail so he did, he just did this year. Many here believe what they want to believe you included.

- GilPerreault11

Eichel took the draw, he didnt play center on the PP.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:55 AM ET
Eichel took the draw, he didnt play center on the PP.
- Mentalorgasm5


Well it was those three up front and he was on the half-walll
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 12:00 PM ET
You mean, back when the Sabres made the playoffs because they didn’t overpay for mediocre talent 😉
- SDSabre

or when the one of the best ever Buffalo Sabres teams was iced.. probably not the best but its gotta be top 5
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 22 @ 12:02 PM ET
Bob McKenzie's FINAL Top 10 Draft Rankings:

1. Alexis Lafrenière (LW)
2. Tim Stützle (C/LW)
3. Quinton Byfield (C)
4. Jamie Drysdale (D)
5. Cole Perfetti (C/LW)
6. Lucas Raymond (RW)
7. Marco Rossi (C)
8. Jake Sanderson (D)
9. Alexander Holtz (LW/RW)
10. Jack Quinn (RW)

I like that Marco Rossi is #7 from what I've read.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 12:02 PM ET
been looking for a comparable for eichel and his wish to be traded from a bad team... when it comes to a superstar supposedly wanting out of a bad situation in the midst of a lucrative, long-term deal, john tavares is a close comparable

--in his first six seasons (2009-2015) the islanders had a .509 points-percentage good for 24th in the league
--the isles made the playoffs once in those seasons--during the lockout year of 2013 (his 5th season) when they went 27-17-7, finishing third in the old atlantic division but whose 55 points ranked them eighth in the eastern conference
--he ranked eighth in the league in goals during that span (174) and was 14th in scoring with 401 points

as far as i can recall, he never asked for a trade, or at least it was never reported that he asked for one
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 22 @ 12:06 PM ET
been looking for a comparable for eichel and his wish to be traded from a bad team... when it comes to a superstar supposedly wanting out of a bad situation in the midst of a lucrative, long-term deal, john tavares is a close comparable

--in his first six seasons (2009-2015) the islanders had a .509 points-percentage good for 24th in the league
--the isles made the playoffs once in those seasons--during the lockout year of 2013 when they went 27-17-7, finishing third in the old atlantic division but whose 55 points ranked them eighth in the eastern conference
--he ranked eighth in the league in goals during that span (174) and was 14th in scoring with 401 points

as far as i can recall, he never asked for a trade, or at least it was never reported that he asked for one

- Michael Pachla


Eichel is not going to be traded as you wisely say. Sam on the other hand, not so sure but with the cap remaining stagnant or going down might be hard with what he wants to be paid.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jun 22 @ 12:06 PM ET
Bob McKenzie's FINAL Top 10 Draft Rankings:

1. Alexis Lafrenière (LW)
2. Tim Stützle (C/LW)
3. Quinton Byfield (C)
4. Jamie Drysdale (D)
5. Cole Perfetti (C/LW)
6. Lucas Raymond (RW)
7. Marco Rossi (C)
8. Jake Sanderson (D)
9. Alexander Holtz (LW/RW)
10. Jack Quinn (RW)

I like that Marco Rossi is #7 from what I've read.

- GilPerreault11


I’d love for Rossi or Raymond to fall into our lap at 7 or 8
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 12:09 PM ET
Eichel is not going to be traded as you wisely say. Sam on the other hand, not so sure but with the cap remaining stagnant or going down might be hard with what he wants to be paid.
- GilPerreault11

you never know...was just looking for a precedent and the only one i have is rick nash
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 12:11 PM ET
Everyone wanted botts gone and now people still female dog about it lol

Terry put all his money into helping the sabres and it didn't work
He's doing something new ..

Let's all see wait happens

- gerbe75pts


I need you to do us all a favor and separate these two facts:

1. People wanted Jason Botterill fired.

2. People wanted Kerry and Tim to perform a GM search.
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