If he scored 50 goals I’ll never post on here again
- Pegullaville

Sabres had to sign skinner.

Problem I have:

didn't skinner score a good portion of his goals in the first 40 games here? How many over the last 100 games, not only the 60 this past season?

Goal differential matters. Not amount of goals scored.

We scored enough goals and defended well enough to be a playoff team with the current roster construction.

Would it be beneficial to score more goals ? Absolutely. Still doesn’t change the fact that we were a good enough team to make the playoffs with better goaltending.
- Pegullaville[/quote

All teams rely on goaltending and scoring during the year and sometimes get away with scoring OR goaltending. The Sabres goalies did more to support the scoring on this team vs the other way around. Teams can win 1 to nothing or 7 to 6 but how many games did the Sabres win in high scoring games.

Sabres had to sign skinner.

Problem I have:

didn't skinner score a good portion of his goals in the first 40 games here? How many over the last 100 games, not only the 60 this past season?
- Boss34

20 goals roughly

[quote=Pegullaville]Goal differential matters. Not amount of goals scored.

We scored enough goals and defended well enough to be a playoff team with the current roster construction.

Would it be beneficial to score more goals ? Absolutely. Still doesn’t change the fact that we were a good enough team to make the playoffs with better goaltending.
- Camel[/quote

All teams rely on goaltending and scoring during the year and sometimes get away with scoring OR goaltending. The Sabres goalies did more to support the scoring on this team vs the other way around. Teams can win 1 to nothing or 7 to 6 but how many games did the Sabres win in high scoring games.

I’m not sure but with how well we defended in front of our goalies we should have given up roughly 15-20 goals less. And how many more one goal games would we have won if we gave up less goals ?

It works both ways.

I’m not disagreeing with you that we need more scoring though.

20 goals roughly
- Pegullaville

Thought skinner had like 29 and 11

Split season?

25 goals in the last 100 games?

Could be wrong?

You spent way too much time typing. I won’t. You are also barking up the wrong tree. Spend some time looking at stats for goal scorers for other teams vs Sabres scorers. Blaming the goalie for some of these losses Is as insane as saying if skinner scored goals based on his salary the Sabres would have easily made the playoffs.
- Camel

Holy sh*t, the realize that the Sabres had a lot of problems but Hutton was Downright fcking horrible. Even average play from him and we would have been in the top half of the league

Thought skinner had like 29 and 11

Split season?

25 goals in the last 100 games?

Could be wrong?
- Boss34

He scored 4 goals in his last 25 games of his contract year.

14 in 59 games this year.

So yea I think 25 in his last 100 is a pretty good estimate

Standard wager again?
- Boss34

Do u really wanna make a bet where you’re rooting against one of our players doing well??

Holy sh*t, the realize that the Sabres had a lot of problems but Hutton was Downright fcking horrible. Even average play from him and we would have been in the top half of the league
- turbo044

It's really not a debatable topic when you look back at that horrible stretch from him.

In the 10 games he lost between 10/24 and 12/19, he allowed fewer than 4 goals only 3 times! He allowed 6 goals three times, 5 goals three times, and 4 goals once. He allowed an average of 4.2 goals per game in that stretch.

In that exact same period, behind the same hockey team, Ullmark played 16 games. He allowed more than 4 goals (it was 6) once. He allowed 4 goals three times. He allowed 3 goals or fewer in the remaining 11 games. He had 1 shutout.

I really hope Camel is right about other teams wanting Hutton if the Sabres decide to dump him. Ideally the Sabres could trade him within the division.

Do u really wanna make a bet where you’re rooting against one of our players doing well??
- jdfitz77

I'm just kidding with you.

I like skinner. Needs a bounce back season.

35ish minimum hopefully

I'm just kidding with you.

I like skinner. Needs a bounce back season.

35ish minimum hopefully
- Boss34

He’ll be good again, how good remains to be seen

Holy sh*t, the realize that the Sabres had a lot of problems but Hutton was Downright fcking horrible. Even average play from him and we would have been in the top half of the league
- turbo044

Go bac and watch the games. You have time during your anger management t classes. Certainly he could have been better but 6 nothing or 6 to 1 is the same result.

It's really not a debatable topic when you look back at that horrible stretch from him.

In the 10 games he lost between 10/24 and 12/19, he allowed fewer than 4 goals only 3 times! He allowed 6 goals three times, 5 goals three times, and 4 goals once. He allowed an average of 4.2 goals per game in that stretch.

In that exact same period, behind the same hockey team, Ullmark played 16 games. He allowed more than 4 goals (it was 6) once. He allowed 4 goals three times. He allowed 3 goals or fewer in the remaining 11 games. He had 1 shutout.

I really hope Camel is right about other teams wanting Hutton if the Sabres decide to dump him. Ideally the Sabres could trade him within the division.
- JetpackJesus

I say your right. Trade him to Tampa to be with Bogo. They can fly back together to show off a Stanley Cup. Go out and sign Lehner cause his value is way up there and everyone knows he’s such a team player.
The point I’ve tried to make is yes he should have been better and if that is a fact Adams will probably trade or bury him. Going forward he is a good backup and say what you want but improving your backup isn’t a major move to win the Stanley Cup. The real question is where Ullmark lands as the number one. A record of 12-14 and for isn’t a bad record for a backup. Look around the league

To Buffalo: Evgeny Kuznetsov, Lars Eller, 2021 first-round pick

To Washington: Jack Eichel, 2021 second-round pick

😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅

I'm just kidding with you.

I like skinner. Needs a bounce back season.

35ish minimum hopefully
- Boss34

my guess is it will be a reduced season, say 48 games

Holy sh*t, the realize that the Sabres had a lot of problems but Hutton was Downright fcking horrible. Even average play from him and we would have been in the top half of the league
- turbo044

I won't go so far as to say he cost them a playoff spot because the Sabres would have still been on the fringe, at best, for a WC spot, but I will absolutely say that Hutton literally (I literally mean literally here) cost the Sabres a spot in the play-in round.

First, Ullmark and Hutton were on totally different levels, and you will see Hutton was not a good backup (he played only 3 fewer games than Ullmark), let alone one of the best in the league:

Player Age GP GS W L T/O GA SA SV SV% GAA
Ullmark 26 34 34 17 14 3 91 1066 975 0.915 2.69
Hutton 34 31 30 12 14 4 94 918 824 0.898 3.18

Second, I can tell you exactly when Hutton cost the Sabres a shot at playing more hockey this year. Here's a string of 11 straight losses from 10/24/19 to 1/11/20:


Would the Sabres have won all those games with an NHL goalie instead of Hutton? Of course not (they blew his 3 good games after all), but they certainly would have won some of them, and that would have put them ahead of at least the Habs. Hutton was spectacularly bad during this stretch!

We also know the Sabres would have won more of those games with an NHL goalie because between 10/24 and 12/19 Ullmark started 16 games and won 8 of them.

There were a lot of things wrong with the Sabres that prevented them from having an opportunity for more hockey (or 1OA pick), and Hutton was absolutely one of them.
- JetpackJesus

During the 12 game losing streak from 10/24 to 1/30, take a guess at the average goals scored for the Sabres.

Answer: 1.75. Yes, just 1.75.

How many times during that 12 game losing streak did the Sabres outshoot their opponent (a Corsi For % of greater than 50%)?

Only 5 of the 12.

2 of the 5 were against Tampa, and one of those two they only outshot Tampa by 1.

One of the 5 was the 1-0 loss to the Islanders where they outshot the Islanders 56 to 39. Not Hutton's fault there.

They averaged even less goals scored in those 5 games overall, at 1.4 compared to 1.75 during his 12 game losing streak.

For the other 7 games of his 12 game losing streak, the Sabres were outshot. They averaged a whole 2 goals goal scored per game for those 7 games.

Buffalo was outshot by 15 in the Arizona game they lost in the shootout, which they would not have gotten to if not for Hutton's play during regulation and OT.

They lost 2 of those other 6 games 2-1 to Toronto and Montreal where they were outshot by 6 and 7. Not Hutton's fault.

They were outshot in the Flyers game 28 to 52 (!!!) when they lost 6-1. The entire team was a train wreck in that game.

The best I can come up with are 3 games during that 12 game losing streak where the Sabres scored 3 goals per game against Carolina and Vancouver twice, but in 2 of those 3 games, the Sabres were outshot by 5 and by 6.

Would you like your goaltender to bail you out sometimes in those situations? Sure.

Interestingly, Hutton lost a game to the Avalanche down the stretch 3-2 where the Sabres were outshot 51 to 80 (!!!), and he won 4 games in February where the Sabres were outshot by a combined 193 to 216.

There was some good and some bad re: Hutton last season.

Did he play great? No.

Was he responsible for the Sabres missing the top 24 in round? I don't think so.

Was he the difference between the Sabres making the top 8 in the East? Absolutely not, at least not when looking at all the stats.

There was some good and some bad re: Hutton last season.

Did he play great? No.

Was he responsible for the Sabres missing the top 24 in round? I don't think so.

- kingcong39

Many times, Hutton put the sabres in such a deep hole during the first period, they could not come back

so in many ways Hutton kept them from catching the Habs this season

but so did Krugeur and Botts for playing Hutton, knowing he only had 1 eye

there is room on the roster to carry a third goalie

He is a volume shooter. Nothing more, nothing less.

And that contract will kill us when Dahlin, Cozens, Joker, UPL/Portillo, and whomever we take this year need to get paid.

By then he'll be an overpaid 3rd liner.
- Pegullaville

Depends.
If Adam's can get him a Center that gets him the same shot profile he had when playing with Jack, maybe he earns most of that Cap hit for several years.

Remember, High Danger shots down 50%, Medium Danger shots down 19%, Low Danger shots up a high percentage (can't remember now, been too long..but 30%?)

His low Sh% can be attributed to the above.

Depends.
If Adam's can get him a Center that gets him the same shot profile he had when playing with Jack, maybe he earns most of that Cap hit for several years.

Remember, High Danger shots down 50%, Medium Danger shots down 19%, Low Danger shots up a high percentage (can't remember now, been too long..but 30%?)

His low Sh% can be attributed to the above.
- IonSabres

the bigger problem IMO is the rift between ralph and skinner


as long as ralph refuses to put skinner with eichel and on the pp, skinner will never sniff the production his 9 mil per season salary demands



so prepare for the flames and pitch forks for a long time on this site

To Buffalo: Evgeny Kuznetsov, Lars Eller, 2021 first-round pick

To Washington: Jack Eichel, 2021 second-round pick

😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅
- kingcong39

yeah, super great offer. Go suck a (frank)ing egg. The Hockey Writers. More like the Hockey Wankers.

Goal differential matters. Not amount of goals scored.

We scored enough goals and defended well enough to be a playoff team with the current roster construction.

Would it be beneficial to score more goals ? Absolutely. Still doesn’t change the fact that we were a good enough team to make the playoffs with better goaltending.
- Pegullaville

This is a rather odd take.
Goal Differential = Goals Scored - Goals Allowed.
If increasing Goal Differential is the objective, then there are two equally good ways to do so.
To eliminate improvement in one method and blame the other method is rather odd to me.
Hutton was bad.
Sabres scoring was average.
Could have, should have improved both.

How many NHL players will opt out of the playoffs?

My guess is zero. I am sure they are no more afraid of the coroanvirus than they are of the flu.

Left wing fear mongering has worn off.

the bigger problem IMO is the rift between ralph and skinner


as long as ralph refuses to put skinner with eichel and on the pp, skinner will never sniff the production his 9 mil per season salary demands



so prepare for the flames and pitch forks for a long time on this site
- homiedclown

I'd like to hold out hope that with different people in place and different organizational policies, that Skinner will maybe get shuffled back to Jack. But then you need to account for VO and how best to use him, and where the (frank) is our 2C and Christ don't say Reinhart and also why the (frank) was Skinner not putting in his full effort in practices last year and was Ralph trying to push Jeff to start exerting more effort and such.

This org just needs to be (frank)ing better.

I'd like to hold out hope that with different people in place and different organizational policies, that Skinner will maybe get shuffled back to Jack. But then you need to account for VO and how best to use him, and where the (frank) is our 2C and Christ don't say Reinhart and also why the (frank) was Skinner not putting in his full effort in practices last year and was Ralph trying to push Jeff to start exerting more effort and such.

This org just needs to be (frank)ing better.
- TheSabresTaco

I miss the lockout