And surely Toronto will bring in some low risk UFA guys like Nosek / Sheahan / Kuhnhackl / Pitlick on contracts of around 1mln AAV to add some depth insurance.

I heard someone say that Pietrangelo is not a "realistic" target for the Leafs because he will demand somewhere in the ballpark of 10m per.

Not true.

Hedman is making 8m per season, and Pietrangelo is not as good as Hedman.

Therefore, Pietrangelo is worth about 6-7m tops.

No to Ristolainen.
No to Pietrangelo.
People saying trade Johnsson & Kerfoot instead of Nylander - have to realise that it is not just the capspace, but as well the fact that you have to fill two roster spots instead of 1 + obviously Nylander gets higher return (pp specialist 2nd line winger that produces points vs 2 3rd liners on relatively meh contracts).
- MaximusAurelius

Johnsson and Kerfoot can be easily replaced. Nick Robertson looks like a good candidate for Johnsson and you have any number of league minimum salaries that can replace Kerf.

No need to trade Nylander.

I heard someone say that Pietrangelo is not a "realistic" target for the Leafs because he will demand somewhere in the ballpark of 10m per.

Not true.

Hedman is making 8m per season, and Pietrangelo is not as good as Hedman.

Therefore, Pietrangelo is worth about 6-7m tops.
- GalacticStone

I'm thinking he signs for 8.5-9M.

Hedman is better but Hedman doesn't sign for 8M if he hit the open market today...

I heard someone say that Pietrangelo is not a "realistic" target for the Leafs because he will demand somewhere in the ballpark of 10m per.

Not true.

Hedman is making 8m per season, and Pietrangelo is not as good as Hedman.

Therefore, Pietrangelo is worth about 6-7m tops.
- GalacticStone

Not to mention the league is dealing with a pandemic. Tough year to be a ufa.

I think if it’s 5 years it might be in 7.5 range

I heard someone say that Pietrangelo is not a "realistic" target for the Leafs because he will demand somewhere in the ballpark of 10m per.

Not true.

Hedman is making 8m per season, and Pietrangelo is not as good as Hedman.

Therefore, Pietrangelo is worth about 6-7m tops.
- GalacticStone

That's not how it works

A lost thought in all of this is how many teams now won't be able to reach the cap max that did previously. Many teams will need to cut back

It seems that Toronto fans think every player will give them a hometown discount. That's why they are in cap problems that will only get worse if the cap goes down or even stays the same. I guess Robidas Island will be full of so called "injured players" in order to sign any players that will actually help the Leafs.
- islansjet

17 NHL teams are within a million of the cap max but you want to spin it the Leafs are just in the worst shape.
You're another person who only considers 40 million for 4 players and ignores every other contract.

Jets have 3 million in cap. congrats. And they actually have to improve their D more than the Leafs do.

Dubas has a plan?

I guess getting rocked in every contract negotiation is kind of like a plan.
- bruceflyers

This from a Flyers fan. Golden. You honestly think Flyers have better contracts?

Thanks for taking JVR off our hands for 7.5 per. And Dubas signing Nylander for 6.9 was the worst ever, right?

And Kevin Hayes LOTFL

The Leafs “cap problems” are a completely overblown fable parroted by fans of have-not teams from have-not cities who collect rent weekly from Toronto and Dubas personally for the space they occupy in their otherwise vacuous heads.

The Leafs overpaid 3 of their young star players by a million or two each. The “overpayments” on the entirety of the rest of the 23 man roster total another 2 or 3 mln tops. There is not a single albatross contract on the entire roster. Zero deadweight. They also have players who are grossly underpaid for what they bring to the table, some of whom are absolute undeniable steals.

They are also one of the most profitable sports franchises in North America and will spare no expense in utilizing every cap loophole possible to maximize the available purse in crafting a team, a wet dream for the majority of NHL GM’s (including Winnipeg’s pissant operation). This team is spending to the cap ceiling, every year, no matter what. Gonna cry?
- poopstash

This. NHl fans just refuse to ever consider any other Leaf contract than the big 4

That's not how it works
- RogerRoeper

We must’ve missed Hedman being a UFA...

Dubas didn’t squeeze any savings outta AM JT & MM. He did get some on Nylander Kapanen & Johnsson. Ceci yuck.
- Nighthawk

Since William Nylander in less than a year has become what is viewed as a good contract maybe wait on the other ones...

This. NHl fans just refuse to ever consider any other Leaf contract than the big 4
- RogerRoeper

Muzzin - Kerfoot - Johnsson aren't great contracts.
And the Matthews contract is the most player-friendly contract ever signed in NHL in salary cap era.
That's a friggin brutal contract considering the fact that Matthews gets a top-dollar (AAV) contract while not giving up any of his UFA years.
By far the Matthews contract is worst of Dubas' negotiating - and it confirms a trend that he is not great (yet?) at getting team-friendly deals for younger players.

Muzzin - Kerfoot - Johnsson aren't great contracts.
And the Matthews contract - although not bad - is the most player-friendly contract ever signed in NHL in salary cap era.
That's a friggin brutal contract considering the fact that Matthews gets a top-dollar (AAV) contract while not giving up any of his UFA years.
By far the Matthews contract is worst of Dubas' negotiating - and it confirms a trend that he is not great (yet?) at getting team-friendly deals for younger players.
- MaximusAurelius

Not great, but those are very typial NHl contracts all teams have.

Dubas does get team friendly deals for supporting players though. Maybe better than any GM. He's also BY FAR the best GM at signing overseas UFA, which are on ELCs and help the cap a lot.

BTW the Matthews deal took away a guaranteed offersheet. It had to be done.

Jason Spezza's #'s saved the Leafs more cap than Matthews or Marner are "Overpaid" but no one is aware since people only concentrate on 4 players.

Not great, but those are very typial NHl contracts all teams have.

Dubas does get team friendly deals for supporting players though. Maybe better than any GM. He's also BY FAR the best GM at signing overseas UFA, which are on ELCs and help the cap a lot.
- RogerRoeper

Based on what exactly?
Mikheyev? That was all Babcock's work.
Lehtonen and Barabanov? Still have to play their first NHL game.
Borgman, Rosen, Ozhiganov? really not great difference makers.

personally I would put the Radulov and Panarin signings quite ahead of those Dubas signings..

P Myers or C Timmins please

P Myers or C Timmins please
- mr.sir

Marincin it is!

Marincin it is!
- Symba007

Sounds like a pill to combat STD's

[quote=mr.sir]P Myers or C Timmins please

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/conor-timmins

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/philippe-myers

Muzzin - Kerfoot - Johnsson aren't great contracts.
And the Matthews contract is the most player-friendly contract ever signed in NHL in salary cap era.
That's a friggin brutal contract considering the fact that Matthews gets a top-dollar (AAV) contract while not giving up any of his UFA years.
By far the Matthews contract is worst of Dubas' negotiating - and it confirms a trend that he is not great (yet?) at getting team-friendly deals for younger players.
- MaximusAurelius

If Malkin signed his 5 year extension the same year Matthews did, his cap hit would’ve been 12.45m.

The rest of your post is nonsense, and not worth acknowledging.

A lost thought in all of this is how many teams now won't be able to reach the cap max that did previously. Many teams will need to cut back
- RogerRoeper

It will be interesting to see what UFAs do.

Do you try for a longer term contract, which will obviously be lower due to the economic uncertainties?

Or do you go for a two-year deal, play your ass off and pray for a vaccine?

Based on what exactly?
Mikheyev? That was all Babcock's work.
Lehtonen and Barabanov? Still have to play their first NHL game.
Borgman, Rosen, Ozhiganov? really not great difference makers.

personally I would put the Radulov and Panarin signings quite ahead of those Dubas signings..
- MaximusAurelius

So we're giving Dubas no credit? How do you know he had nothing to do with Mikeyev?

And Lehtonen is a huge signing.

It will be interesting to see what UFAs do.

Do you try for a longer term contract, which will obviously be lower due to the economic uncertainties?

Or do you go for a two-year deal, play your ass off and pray for a vaccine?
- Atomic Wedgie

I think UFAs will probably go for shorter deals. They might have to.

Muzzin - Kerfoot - Johnsson aren't great contracts.
And the Matthews contract is the most player-friendly contract ever signed in NHL in salary cap era.
That's a friggin brutal contract considering the fact that Matthews gets a top-dollar (AAV) contract while not giving up any of his UFA years.
By far the Matthews contract is worst of Dubas' negotiating - and it confirms a trend that he is not great (yet?) at getting team-friendly deals for younger players.
- MaximusAurelius

They’re all bad.

Rookie GM giving away contracts to players who haven’t proven anything. The only one I don’t think was an overpayment is Matthews, and maybe Marner if he can hit 100pts.

7mil to a one dimensional winger who is brutal defensively is pathetic. Dubas is getting raked. The Leafs are squandering this talented roster because they don’t have any support players or defence.

Trading for Barrie was the all-time dumbest move.