Good post

Gurgs shouldn't score 1 or 2 less goals than skinner on a season.

2c is gonna be cozens. How many #1 ranked outside the nhl prospects cant slip in behind jack at 1c and play with skins and Johansson. Especially if the season starts late.
- Boss34

I agree Cozens will be 2c - he's fast, highly skilled, big and appears highly motivated. In saying that, he'll be 2c in 2021/2022 at the earliest. He needs to be 3C next year at the highest, more likely 2 winger or 3 winger

I mean Monahan would be pretty great but I understand the likelihood of the asset returning has a good chance to be worse than the pick. But then again, it could be Alex Nylander for Sean Monahan. Just saying.
- TheSabresTaco

The quality of the top 9 this year also plays a big factor.

I mean Monahan would be pretty great but I understand the likelihood of the asset returning has a good chance to be worse than the pick. But then again, it could be Alex Nylander for Sean Monahan. Just saying.
- TheSabresTaco

Also, Ghofrani just wrote a blog on this topic regarding the return when it involves the 8th pick.

He's finally keeping the baby now

Happy for him
- gerbe75pts

😳😳😳😳😳😱😱

People are blaming the Pegulas for everything its idiotic the only reason I know what's really going on we're very close with them and my dad works closely with nhl ..

If people knew the real story they all make up excuses to cover up their story .

And I'm tried of people Bringing up kane he was Sexual harassing girls and the final straw
was their daughter ..

They don't put up with that crap just like Russ Brandon was making his rounds with a girl half his age ( but to be honest she was annoying )
- gerbe75pts

So you are saying, everyone lied to them. It's everyone else's fault, not theirs...yet the only constant is them.
I don't give a poop about Brandon.
I care about forcing trades because they don't like the player, or were insulted by something and they forced trades to happen with parameters that caused dogpoop for returns.

Ask yourself this, if Botterill f'd if all up himself...why did the self-proclaimed know-it-alls declare Jason to come back when they did initially...why not poop can him then.
You are being fed horse crap.

https://twitter.com/evanderkane_9/status/1281266950975320066?s=19
- kingcong39

Those are some nice 1980 style glasses she's wearing.

I agree Cozens will be 2c - he's fast, highly skilled, big and appears highly motivated. In saying that, he'll be 2c in 2021/2022 at the earliest. He needs to be 3C next year at the highest, more likely 2 winger or 3 winger
- turbo044

Finding a 3c should be much easier to find, cozens is probably getting that shot at 2c. Learn on the job. Probably competent in 2021-22.

Maybe even on the current roster.

Kuhun
Johansson
Asplund
Silent sam

You guys keep saying they need some one with hockey knowledge to help them out what do you think they have been doing for the past 9 years?
- gerbe75pts

Hiring inexperienced GM without any sort of mentor with GM experience as VP to help guide the strategy and put Kerry and Tim back in their place.

The proof is in the reality of it all.

Do them a favor if you are so close...tell them they have (frank)ed it up 9 years by not having at least a consultant to help with strategy and planning...like say Scotty Bowman, or Hiw about Rick Dudley.

They absolutely are destroying this franchise...almost like on purpose.

Finding a 3c should be much easier to find, cozens is probably getting that shot at 2c. Learn on the job. Probably competent in 2021-22.

Maybe even on the current roster.

Kuhun
Johansson
Asplund
Silent sam
- Boss34

If Cozens of someone currently on the roster is Adam's plan for 2C next year, then we're f*cked. Love Cozens' potential but it's not fair to put a 19 year old at 2C

So you are saying, everyone lied to them. It's everyone else's fault, not theirs...yet the only constant is them.
I don't give a poop about Brandon.
I care about forcing trades because they don't like the player, or were insulted by something and they forced trades to happen with parameters that caused dogpoop for returns.

Ask yourself this, if Botterill f'd if all up himself...why did the self-proclaimed know-it-alls declare Jason to come back when they did initially...why not poop can him then.
You are being fed horse crap.
- IonSabres

They said that about ruff , TM , housley if you don't remember its business ..

I honestly don't get why you guys are all mad they followed everything people around the NHl told them to do ..

It didn't work now they're doing it there way

So you are saying, everyone lied to them. It's everyone else's fault, not theirs...yet the only constant is them.
I don't give a poop about Brandon.
I care about forcing trades because they don't like the player, or were insulted by something and they forced trades to happen with parameters that caused dogpoop for returns.

Ask yourself this, if Botterill f'd if all up himself...why did the self-proclaimed know-it-alls declare Jason to come back when they did initially...why not poop can him then.
You are being fed horse crap.
- IonSabres

Everything seems completely believable to me.

Decent billionaires do not want predators around their family business.

Jason was given the job of getting good hockey players.
Instead he signed pouliot, vesey, sobatka, bergland, tage, dalton smith, johannson and other losers.

My thought is the pegula's have the inside on when play realistic can return with fans ( you know the profit part)

Probably 2022
Why pay a bunch of people for nothing?

Everything seems completely believable to me.

Decent billionaires do not want predators around their family business.

Jason was given the job of getting good hockey players.
Instead he signed pouliot, vesey, sobatka, bergland, tage, dalton smith, johannson and other losers.

My thought is the pegula's have the inside on when play realistic can return with fans ( you know the profit part)

Probably 2022
Why pay a bunch of people for nothing?
- Boss34

Thank you tell the rest of the fan base...

But hey they want to do the same thing that hasn't worked in 9 years

If Cozens of someone currently on the roster is Adam's plan for 2C next year, then we're f*cked. Love Cozens' potential but it's not fair to put a 19 year old at 2C
- turbo044

They might he is in the same class as a Pettersson im just hoping he works his ass off and not be casey 2.0

If Cozens of someone currently on the roster is Adam's plan for 2C next year, then we're f*cked. Love Cozens' potential but it's not fair to put a 19 year old at 2C
- turbo044

Cozens was a top pick in a strong draft.
He was "seasoned " for a year in juniors -where he was awesome
The Sabres are probably playing starting until January or February, where cozens will be 20 in early February.
2c isnt 1c
Eichel will get all the big minutes and leave him some softer minutes.
Sink or swim , shortened season , probably 48 games

Cozens was a top pick in a strong draft.
He was "seasoned " for a year in juniors -where he was awesome
The Sabres are probably playing starting until January or February, where cozens will be 20 in early February.
2c isnt 1c
Eichel will get all the big minutes and leave him some softer minutes.
Sink or swim , shortened season , probably 48 games
- Boss34

The season is scheduled to start, as of now, on 12/1.

The plan is to play a full schedule of 82 games.

The presidents husband wants the young kids in teh NHL and doesnt want to wait.

He wants 6K up, mitts, Cozens etc.

he wants them here.
- ImThatGuy

Where ya getting this from???

Meddling in the affairs of the hockey people.

Step 1 - Hire a president

Step 2 - set the budget and profit expectations

Step 3 - go enjoy the yacht
- Gr8daygo

They aren't going to hire a president, so give it up.

You want the Sabres to make a profit? Then enjoy the cap at about 65-70 million.

Keep beating the yacht narrative or that they want to maintain their lifestyle. Who the f*ck wouldn't? The Sabres aren't a charity organization, or shouldn't be and no owner will lower the way they live so people like you can get a rush watching them on TV and raise your sad lifestyle. They own the team, they want input so be it. If fans don't buy tickets, maybe they sell or it moves and there is no team to b*tch about.

you can't have an owner and a gm sign up for a 4 or 5 year plan, given the murray mess, and change expectations and direction of the team 3 years later


botts sold them on the build from the bottom up philosophy 3 and a half years ago and said it would take 4 or 5 years to compete on a regular basis


they agreed



when 24 teams got in the playoffs instead of 16, terry and kim had a veruca type fit, and changed course


any gm right now for the sabres is a lame duck, as they follow orders from the owners and the owners change the rules right away



murray was told to win now

murray's 2 big assets brought in, botts was told to ship out




I am not defending botts, more miffed by the lack of interviewing people to replace him
- homiedclown

This is where a Team President or Director of Hockey Ops, or whatever u wanna call him, would come in handy

Problem seems to be that they’ve been burned so many times that they just don’t trust anyone anymore
After 10years of losing games & losing money,
it’s understandable

Not that i agree with the direction they went
But i can see where they’re coming from

Literally everything they were told to do by experts has failed with GMs & Coaches

Dude it's been pretty widely known there were offers Botts was forced to turn down becauase Pegula wasn't paying that bonus
- sbroads24

No it is not widely known. All speculation, with no actual evidence.

Everything seems completely believable to me.

Decent billionaires do not want predators around their family business.

Jason was given the job of getting good hockey players.
Instead he signed pouliot, vesey, sobatka, bergland, tage, dalton smith, johannson and other losers.

My thought is the pegula's have the inside on when play realistic can return with fans ( you know the profit part)

Probably 2022
Why pay a bunch of people for nothing?
- Boss34

Time and time again, those who invest in their business during economic hardships tend to come out stronger at the end of it.

I don't care about the fact they fired the 23 people they did in the scouting dept / front office as the results were below average. I don't mind them leveraging technology to HELP, but let's hope it isn't a large scale replacement. I love that Adam's talks about integrating Analytics into player evaluations and other aspects of hockey ops.
There IS some good nuggets there.

However, Duds just implemented the same type of overhaul with the Canes...experience would have reduced learning times an advanced the timeline of being proficient. He is a pretty shrewd talent evaluator. Him walking away tells me alot about this situation.

Hiring a guy as GM with zero front-office experience AND having nobody around to help mentor him, be a soundboard is stunningly irresponsible. I'll give HIM a chance, seems like a good guy and has been effective in other spots apparently... but his learning curve is likely going to be very very steep..hope he doesn't cause further damage.

I know a couple of people in Buffalo who have business dealings with them more than occassionally, both have said the same thing... very nice people, they are trying, but are also bullheaded and clueless. It is dangerous to the organization.
That seems to line up with what many insiders and reporters have said.

It is theirs to continue to f-up... just don't expect knowledgeable hockey fans to lap up their poop.

Time and time again, those who invest in their business during economic hardships tend to come out stronger at the end of it.

I don't care about the fact they fired the 23 people they did in the scouting dept / front office as the results were below average. I don't mind them leveraging technology to HELP, but let's hope it isn't a large scale replacement. I love that Adam's talks about integrating Analytics into player evaluations and other aspects of hockey ops.
There IS some good nuggets there.

However, Duds just implemented the same type of overhaul with the Canes...experience would have reduced learning times an advanced the timeline of being proficient. He is a pretty shrewd talent evaluator. Him walking away tells me alot about this situation.

Hiring a guy as GM with zero front-office experience AND having nobody around to help mentor him, be a soundboard is stunningly irresponsible. I'll give HIM a chance, seems like a good guy and has been effective in other spots apparently... but his learning curve is likely going to be very very steep..hope he doesn't cause further damage.

I know a couple of people in Buffalo who have business dealings with them more than occassionally, both have said the same thing... very nice people, they are trying, but are also bullheaded and clueless. It is dangerous to the organization.
That seems to line up with what many insiders and reporters have said.

It is theirs to continue to f-up... just don't expect knowledgeable hockey fans to lap up their poop.
- IonSabres

If Dudley wasn't a former Sabre would we care so much? I bet not. It seems Sabres fans really have this devotion to anyone with some success who has worn the crest. That crest has not won a Cup, Dudley I don't believe has won a Cup and is SEVENTY TWO. I'm personally sick of former Sabres in the organization. It's like the fans are the sheep following anyone who says hey, how about "Duds", he actually might come here because he has a place in Lewiston? Woopdeedooo.

No it is not widely known. All speculation, with no actual evidence.
- Mentalorgasm5

Well you can all believe what you want but I know there was a trade worked out for Domi and Conor Garland from Arizona for ROR about 2 1/2 weeks before the bonus was due, and Botts was not allowed to pull the trigger, 2 days later Domi was traded to Montreal.

The season is scheduled to start, as of now, on 12/1.

The plan is to play a full schedule of 82 games.
- kingcong39

That's interesting, I hadn't heard that.

So end in October, start in December?

Correction : cozens will be 19 years and 10 months when the season starts. Big body -2c

If Dudley wasn't a former Sabre would we care so much? I bet not. It seems Sabres fans really have this devotion to anyone with some success who has worn the crest. That crest has not won a Cup, Dudley I don't believe has won a Cup and is SEVENTY TWO. I'm personally sick of former Sabres in the organization. It's like the fans are the sheep following anyone who says hey, how about "Duds", he actually might come here because he has a place in Lewiston? Woopdeedooo.
- GilPerreault11

I would have loved Dudley here and it has nothing to do with anything he’s done in the past.

Judd Brackett would have been great too.

I would have loved Dudley here and it has nothing to do with anything he’s done in the past.

Judd Brackett would have been great too.
- Pegullaville

I old enough to remember when Dudley was here as coach and GM for a bit and it didn't blow me away. He would have been fine as a consultant but I don't see it as a make or break move and I'm willing to wait and see who gets added to the hockey department before I jump off the Niagara Falls