You need to go back to the beginning. They really did take off the financial chains and went all in bolstering the scouting and development departments. I believe, without looking it up, the scouting dept had some 50 people in it at one point.

They also put Buffalo in the game when it came to going after the best FA's and hockey people on the market.

Harbor Center and the revitalization of downtown plus arena upgrades to give the players everything they might need
- Michael Pachla

what have they done to make a better product on the ice


I mean its not like we are eliminated from the playoffs the last week of every season


we are constantly picking in the top 8

year after year
after year
after year

The only thing they should listen to when it comes to the fans is esoteric things surrounding the fan experience. Cup holders above the urinals being the preeminent example
- Michael Pachla

I 100% agree with this.

I was just trying to prove a point.

The only thing they should listen to when it comes to the fans is esoteric things surrounding the fan experience. Cup holders above the urinals being the preeminent example
- Michael Pachla

Downtown development is excellent for the city, but does not help the actual team become better.


- Sabres1523

are the boards fixed?



pretty sure buffalo was never even in the conversation to be a HUB city for the playoffs

I 100% agree with this.

I was just trying to prove a point.
- Powerslave

the cherry on top was hiring a yes man, without even interviewing 1 experienced person to be the new GM

what have they done to make a better product on the ice


I mean its not like we are eliminated from the playoffs the last week of every season


we are constantly picking in the top 8

year after year
after year
after year
- homiedclown

Can't argue that. Just saying they did some things right early on. They just didn't turn out right, unfortunately

I 100% agree with this.

I was just trying to prove a point.
- Powerslave

👍

No, Tim Murray did that.
- Sabres1523

You're completely clueless if you believe tmgm "tanked" without the peguals approval.

Can't argue that. Just saying they did some things right early on. They just didn't turn out right, unfortunately
- Michael Pachla

usually when you fail, you surround yourself with the most talented people you can


I just do not see that happening lately


3 rookie gms

a rookie coach

a coach out of the game for many years with only 1 season under his belt


sh!t can rochester staff which was putting up our best ahl seasons in 15 years


throwing 2 way contracts at players you expect to be with your big club



total sh!t show

You're completely clueless if you believe tmgm "tanked" without the peguals approval.
- Boss34

like when they tanked for dahlin and gave botts the approval



both cases, your on board with the gm to tank, and once you get your prize, can your gm in less then 2 years from when you got that prize

Through failure.

And that talent is on the cusp of asking out of here.
- Powerslave

So, what have the peguals done?

Thru Failure or not, eichel is a Sabre. He is the sabres property for 6 more years. Cusp or not, he is one of the best sabres of all time. On the verge of being the best non goalie in my opinion.

As a season ticket , eichel is very enjoyable to watch

how many other nhl superstars have missed the playoffs in each of their first 5 seasons



one more stat the pegulas have in their back pocket, one of the few if not only nhl owner of a superstar that they have been unable to even come close to sniffing the playoffs
- homiedclown

You are deflecting my answer with another question.

You asked what the pegulas have done?

They brought in eichel.

If the other 2nd overall pick was a star, we would be in much better shape. Instead hes just decent.

When we hired those GM and coaches they were listed as the number 1 candidates they brought the best in and it still failed ..
- gerbe75pts

I believe what the group is ultimately questioning is did the Pegula's play a part in the failure of Murray and Botterill by meddling and demanding certain player moves?

If they are not going to just let a GM do their job, without any interference, then how will any GM with the Sabres ever be successful?

like when they tanked for dahlin and gave botts the approval



both cases, your on board with the gm to tank, and once you get your prize, can your gm in less then 2 years from when you got that prize
- homiedclown

Yes , you fire the gm that has eichel and dahlin but finishes 25th. Absolutely.

3 years was plenty to turn the team around

I believe what the group is ultimately questioning is did the Pegula's play a part in the failure of Murray and Botterill by meddling and demanding certain player moves?

If they are not going to just let a GM do their job, without any interference, then how will any GM with the Sabres ever be successful?
- kingcong39

This is a Great Post!!!

are the boards fixed?



pretty sure buffalo was never even in the conversation to be a HUB city for the playoffs
- homiedclown

In fairness, I think the NHL wanted to stay away from New York State as a whole.

you never answered the question

in the 9 plus years of owning the sabres


what have our owners done RIGHT?
- homiedclown

Since this has become a psychological rant session to help soothe the tough COVID 19 days and Homie is leading the way and is showing his psychological inadequacies. You can argue that bringing the NHL Combine was a success, building the harbor center arena attached to the arena was a success. Drafting the infallible Skunk was a success, don't you agree, Homie, and holding on to that stud, not trading him, THAT is a success. Having the first female president of any team in NHL history and one who is Asian that is a success, no deep thnking Gr8?

You're completely clueless if you believe tmgm "tanked" without the peguals approval.
- Boss34

When did I say the pegulas didn’t agree? I didn’t, but the pegulas didn’t make the trades and dismantle the roster, Murray did, the pegs just went along with it.
Does the Katz family get credit for drafting mcdavid?

You need to go back to the beginning. They really did take off the financial chains and went all in bolstering the scouting and development departments. I believe, without looking it up, the scouting dept had some 50 people in it at one point.

They also put Buffalo in the game when it came to going after the best FA's and hockey people on the market.

Harbor Center and the revitalization of downtown plus arena upgrades to give the players everything they might need
- Michael Pachla

Hosting the combine and world juniors is nice too.

Again, nothing to do with the on ice product, but their peripheral work has been pretty good.

You're completely clueless if you believe tmgm "tanked" without the peguals approval.
- Boss34

I don't always buy Boss' tank rhetoric, but this is a fact. Tim Murray deconstructed that team on purpose to lose, and you don't intentionally lose without your owner knowing about it.

like when they tanked for dahlin and gave botts the approval



both cases, your on board with the gm to tank, and once you get your prize, can your gm in less then 2 years from when you got that prize
- homiedclown

They didn't tank for Dahlin. They hired Phil Housley. As Boss would say, stealth tank, but not a single one of us on this board thought/knew Housley was a bad hire.

I believe what the group is ultimately questioning is did the Pegula's play a part in the failure of Murray and Botterill by meddling and demanding certain player moves?

If they are not going to just let a GM do their job, without any interference, then how will any GM with the Sabres ever be successful?
- kingcong39

Let's say they didn't do meddling skinner wouldn't be here and jack would be a RFA this year .. so are you happy they did that ?

I don't always buy Boss' tank rhetoric, but this is a fact. Tim Murray deconstructed that team on purpose to lose, and you don't intentionally lose without your owner knowing about it.
- TheSabresTaco

And thats why pat LaFontaine left he wanted t o sign miller,ott to 6 year deals he didn't like the lidea so they part ways

Since this has become a psychological rant session to help soothe the tough COVID 19 days and Homie is leading the way and is showing his psychological inadequacies. You can argue that bringing the NHL Combine was a success, building the harbor center arena attached to the arena was a success. Drafting the infallible Skunk was a success, don't you agree, Homie, and holding on to that stud, not trading him, THAT is a success. Having the first female president of any team in NHL history and one who is Asian that is a success, no deep thnking Gr8?
- GilPerreault11

Not that I agree or disagree with the rest of the post, because I don't want to be involved what so ever. But Imma stop you right there.

There is no achievement in the act of hiring a minority when that minority is your unqualified wife.

Let's say they didn't do meddling skinner wouldn't be here and jack would be a RFA this year .. so are you happy they did that ?
- gerbe75pts

well there goes this conversation.