Why does it seem less likely?
They have 12 potential vaccines in various countries in various stages of testing.
- Fakepartofme

Fauci says 70-75% effectiveness for vaccines would be good. 30% or more of population say they won't take vaccine. Put those together and you have potential for enough virus to keep spreading. Also, more studies with questions being raised about how long immunities are lasting.

Yanni would be cheaper and probably have about the same level of production on ice.
- GalacticStone

Plus, you get a Austonish 'stache

Yanni would be cheaper and probably have about the same level of production on ice.
- GalacticStone

I'm assuming you pair him with Linda Evans on the wing.

Plus, you get a Austonish 'stache
- Canada Cup

If Gourde would grow a Matthews stache, then he would be well worth the cap hit.

Your chronology is a little messed up there, but the sentiment is on point.

Nylander should have been traded the second he held out for defensive help. Would have sent a message to Matthews and Marner that Dubas doesn’t (frank) around and if they wanted to be part of what was clearly an up and coming team in the epicentre of the hockey universe, they better get on board with taking a little less than the maximum they could possibly extort. Boston and Tampa seemed to have no problem convincing their star players to take team friendly deals. I never understood why that was such a hard pitch to make. It has nothing to do with being cheap or Melnyk-esque and lowballing players for profitability concerns. It’s the recognition that you’re in the cap era and Toronto is the richest team and will spend to the max but every dollar player A gets paid is a dollar that can’t be paid to the players around Player A. Maximizing roster quality is dependent on taking a little less so you have have better players around you. Which will increase the success of the team and each player’s marketability and their ability to monetize other aspects of their life in the most hockey crazy city on the planet. It’s literally that (frank)ing simple.
- poopstash

I'm sorry, but I reject your thesis for a couple of reasons:

- Dubas remained steadfast until literally the last hour, and everyone at the time agreed that Nylander caved.
- I find it incredibly optimistic to think that either Matthews or Marner were going to be intimidated into taking less than they wanted due to whatever in the frank Dubas did with Nylander.

Marner and Matthews were going to get paid. It's the new reality, and quite frankly, I like it. I'd rather pay big money for a guy's second contract than overpay for a 3rd contract that extends for 7 years.

I'm assuming you pair him with Linda Evans on the wing.
- Atomic Wedgie

Fabio - Yanni - Linda

That's a dangerous line there.

I agree completely
Now what kind of value would willie have had at that time? Dunno. He just came off of back to back 60pt seasons, so i feel he could have still gotten a return of at least a 4th D.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah I’m sure trading him during a contract holdout would have dampened the return, but he was still a young and proven star in the making so I think you could have gotten a really nice piece back (maybe a young second pairing RHD)z. But even if the return was slightly depressed I think the message sent would be worth it.

Fauci says 70-75% effectiveness for vaccines would be good. 30% or more of population say they won't take vaccine. Put those together and you have potential for enough virus to keep spreading. Also, more studies with questions being raised about how long immunities are lasting.
- Canada Cup

Today.
Effectiveness could increase in time.
If 30% of the us population doesnt take the vaccine, hopefully 10% of those die off each year.

We will see.
Nothing is certain yet.

Yeah I’m sure trading him during a contract holdout would have dampened the return, but he was still a young and proven star in the making so I think you could have gotten a really nice piece back (maybe a young second pairing RHD)z. But even if the return was slightly depressed I think the message sent would be worth it.
- poopstash

Agreed and maybe wed have a million or two more in cap space or not.
We'll never know now.
Dubie pfft.

Today.
Effectiveness could increase in time.
If 30% of the us population doesnt take the vaccine, hopefully 10% of those die off each year.

We will see.
Nothing is certain yet.
- Fakepartofme

Everyone better get used to masks, distancing, increased disinfection, UV lamps in businesses, etc.

Covid is just the first shot across the bow. Mother Nature is pissed. You should read about the poop coming out of the permafrost as it melts. Viruses mankind has never seen before and that we have no immunity to and no body of research on. Novel Covid-19 was "new", but at least we had a body of research on related coronaviruses to build on. The next time, something like a "Caveman Flu" or "Pleistocene Fever" could come out of the permafrost and we are all phucked. And that permafrost is continuing to melt with no end in sight until it's all gone, releasing it's trapped cargo of viruses and methane.

Good times ahead. Pack your poop and fasten your seat belts.

I'm sorry, but I reject your thesis for a couple of reasons:

- Dubas remained steadfast until literally the last hour, and everyone at the time agreed that Nylander caved.
- I find it incredibly optimistic to think that either Matthews or Marner were going to be intimidated into taking less than they wanted due to whatever in the frank Dubas did with Nylander.

Marner and Matthews were going to get paid. It's the new reality, and quite frankly, I like it. I'd rather pay big money for a guy's second contract than overpay for a 3rd contract that extends for 7 years.
- Atomic Wedgie

If you don’t see a problem with Marner making 1.5 mln more per year on a 6 year deal signed as an RFA vs Kucerhov on an 8 year deal, we’re probably not going to see eye to eye on this

I don’t think Dubas “caved” with Nylander by any means but it set a dangerous precedent and was an opportunity missed to address the defence and set the tone for the two most important contract negotiations on deck. If Marner really wanted to play in Toronto (I don’t see why he wouldn’t) I’m sure seeing Nylander getting shipped out for not buying into a team first mentality would have made him at least think twice about how much money he really needs to live a nice lifestyle.

Defrosting a beef top round roast by just throwing the frozen ziplock back outside today. Shouldn't take long.

If you don’t see a problem with Marner making 1.5 mln more per year on a 6 year deal signed as an RFA vs Kucerhov on an 8 year deal, we’re probably not going to see eye to eye on this

I don’t think Dubas “caved” with Nylander by any means but it set a dangerous precedent and was an opportunity missed to address the defence and set the tone for the two most important contract negotiations on deck. If Marner really wanted to play in Toronto (I don’t see why he wouldn’t) I’m sure seeing Nylander getting shipped out for not buying into a team first mentality would have made him at least think twice about how much money he really needs to live a nice lifestyle.
- poopstash

I think Leaf players cap hits are obsessed ove way too much. And there are Tampa contracts that ruin the advatage of Kucherov vs Marner's cao hits

Agreed and maybe wed have a million or two more in cap space or not.
We'll never know now.
Dubie pfft.

- Fakepartofme

It would certainly help right now (so would not having to still pay Kessel 1.2 mln a year ffs). And overall I like Dubas and the things he’s done so far (excluding a few things like the aforementioned contract negotiations and the Kadri trade, although I was admittedly optimistic about it when it happened)

I think Leaf players cap hits are obsessed ove way too much. And there are Tampa contracts that ruin the advatage of Kucherov vs Marner's cao hits
- RogerRoeper

For sure. The Leafs don’t have any boat anchor contracts, and most teams do, so that’s a positive.

Today.
Effectiveness could increase in time.
If 30% of the us population doesnt take the vaccine, hopefully 10% of those die off each year.

We will see.
Nothing is certain yet.
- Fakepartofme

Understood that it’s all estimates. The vaccines are still being developed and may be more effective. The only point is that the idea that the vaccine makes all problems go away may be overstated.

Yeah I’m sure trading him during a contract holdout would have dampened the return, but he was still a young and proven star in the making so I think you could have gotten a really nice piece back (maybe a young second pairing RHD)z. But even if the return was slightly depressed I think the message sent would be worth it.
- poopstash

Could have landed Dougie Hamilton

Yeah I’m sure trading him during a contract holdout would have dampened the return, but he was still a young and proven star in the making so I think you could have gotten a really nice piece back (maybe a young second pairing RHD)z. But even if the return was slightly depressed I think the message sent would be worth it.
- poopstash

Trade him now and youll get a lot more.

Everyone better get used to masks, distancing, increased disinfection, UV lamps in businesses, etc.

Covid is just the first shot across the bow. Mother Nature is pissed. You should read about the poop coming out of the permafrost as it melts. Viruses mankind has never seen before and that we have no immunity to and no body of research on. Novel Covid-19 was "new", but at least we had a body of research on related coronaviruses to build on. The next time, something like a "Caveman Flu" or "Pleistocene Fever" could come out of the permafrost and we are all phucked. And that permafrost is continuing to melt with no end in sight until it's all gone, releasing it's trapped cargo of viruses and methane.

Good times ahead. Pack your poop and fasten your seat belts.
- GalacticStone

Sorry to say but all the research and the most sophisticated medical system in the world are going to be as useful as curing cancer with leeches if you don’t have a political structure that can generate social support for going more than four weeks without haircuts.

For sure. The Leafs don’t have any boat anchor contracts, and most teams do, so that’s a positive.
- poopstash

This.


Worst contract is 3.5 per for Kerfoot to take bad penalties.

This.


Worst contract is 3.5 per for Kerfoot to take bad penalties.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

And teams were asking about him at the deadline

And teams were asking about him at the deadline
- RogerRoeper

As in- “What the hell happened to Kerfoot?” Or “Will you retain?”

I think Dubas is doing a good job, but that was a bad trade I can’t defend.

As in- “What the hell happened to Kerfoot?” Or “Will you retain?”

I think Dubas is doing a good job, but that was a bad trade I can’t defend.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Funnily enough Kerfoot had the same numbers on the 3rd line as Kadri did the previous year. He's pretty young, I think people are judging him too soon.

Funnily enough Kerfoot had the same numbers on the 3rd line as Kadri did the previous year. He's pretty young, I think people are judging him too soon.
- RogerRoeper

I hope you’re right Roger.

As in- “What the hell happened to Kerfoot?” Or “Will you retain?”

I think Dubas is doing a good job, but that was a bad trade I can’t defend.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

In hindsight - Ya, bad trade.

Kadri would be great to have on that contract. We should probably start holding onto our good contracts rather than trade them all away.