As much as it would be a marketing dream for both brothers to be on the same team (and God knows we need that), I kinda think we don't need two of the same player, doing the same things, costing the same amount.

I want the Sens to make bold moves but I want it to be along the lines of using cap space and draft picks to either get the kings pic or young players that fit the teams need... Scoring.

Having said that, I don't think Calgary goes for any of the deals suggested.

Sidebar, What kind of player did Mathew look like in his first two years?

His and Bradys numbers are comparable, but he really broke out in his third year.

I really like Brady as a player, but I dont know if he has that next gear.

It will help if he actually gets some help to play with though. Hopefully next season!

Drysdale looks solid, but grabbing 2 of those 4 forwards would be a coup.

Drafting Askarov or Drysdale at 5 will destroy the sens rebuild, and make them a bubble team and the sabers of canada and will most likely guarantee JBD will leave in UFA when his Uni playing days are over, OTT does not need in any way shape or form a Dman, they need elite forwards or risk being like the leafs or oilers, a one dimensional team that will struggle to make the playoffs.

BPA is extremely dumb when your teams has clear weaknesses, that would like the leafs drafting Rossi or Raymond over Drysdale if they had the 4th OA pick..... Sens need elite forward players not more D, they can draft a Dman next year if need be with their top 10 pick as next year is strong on Dmen.....

the issue I have with moving Chabot is that he's locked into a GREAT contract for the next 8 years. having a legit top pairing guy locked in at 8 mil, long term, would take the moon and stars for me to want to move that.

i'm not saying he's untouchable, but Matt Tkachuk is not the "must have" player that I would consider moving Chabot for.

if you're talking about a deal for a legit number one center, or maybe the 1st overall pick.....that's different......but I wouldn't move Chabot for Tkachuk
- sensarmy_11

This and david22 are legit points. Just pondering.

I do have a slight fear Chabot will be good but not great. I have not been impressed with his defensive play and seemed to take a step back on the powerplay once Stone and Duchene moved on which had my "complementary" player light go off rather than "start player" light go off.

He is still young and can improve. He is projected by many to make team Canada. Hopeful for more positive progress in his development.

your trade offer was asinine....Tkachuk isn't worth the 3rd overall straight up, let alone also including the 5th. your suggestion that it's those 2 picks, plus more, is (frank)ing ridiculous.
- sensarmy_11

There is no guarantee that a draft pick pans out to be even half the player Tkachuk is. I did say that to get Tkachuk out of Calgary it would take an overpayment. Maybe not the 3rd and 5th I was overreacting to the OP horrible offer for Tkachuk but without one of those top picks / chabot flames wouldn’t consider trading him at all.

There is no guarantee that a draft pick pans out to be even half the player Tkachuk is. I did say that to get Tkachuk out of Calgary it would take an overpayment. Maybe not the 3rd and 5th I was overreacting to the OP horrible offer for Tkachuk but without one of those top picks / chabot flames wouldn’t consider trading him at all.
- kresco

obviously there's no guarantee that a prospect pans out.....but that IN NO WAY diminishes the value of a draft pick before it's made.

Honestly, the more I think a trade being centered around Chabot, it may work?

I know Sens fans will jump all over not trading Chabot, but there are strong defense prospects this draft that may be safer to take at 5 instead of taking more of a chance on a forward who isn't Byfield or Struzle.

I don't think it happens, but might be the only proposal that gets any ground without giving up a top 5 pick.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I know that we are just shooting off proposals but you can't trade Chabot after he signs an 8 year extension with the team on terms friendly to the team.

your trade offer was asinine....Tkachuk isn't worth the 3rd overall straight up, let alone also including the 5th. your suggestion that it's those 2 picks, plus more, is (frank)ing ridiculous.
- sensarmy_11

Matthew Tkachuk is a proven star in this league. That’s not easy to come by, especially not for Ottawa. His proposal (start with 3rd and 5th overall) is FAR more realistic than the one proposed by the Sens fan (some dude named Formington plus other garbage).

Let’s be honest. There is no way in hell Calgary would ever consider trading MT, who is likely their most valuable player already.

Matthew Tkachuk is a proven star in this league. That’s not easy to come by, especially not for Ottawa. His proposal (start with 3rd and 5th overall) is FAR more realistic than the one proposed by the Sens fan (some dude named Formington plus other garbage).

Let’s be honest. There is no way in hell Calgary would ever consider trading MT, who is likely their most valuable player already.
- AxlRose91

Matthew Tkachuk is no where close to being worth the 3rd and 5th overall, in arguably the deepest draft the league has seen in 2-3 decades.

I agree that the first proposal was ridiculous, and I said as much in a reply.....but this one is equally as ridiculous. one of those picks, plus a good (not great) prospect, sure...but both picks, not even close.

Tkachuk is a 30g 65-70 pt player.....which is very good, but it's not great.

to move 3 AND 5, i'm looking at getting players like marner, Eichel, etc. if Ottawa is moving both those picks, it's for a legit star, not a really good (not great) player who gets lots of media attention because he's kind of a Richard.

Matthew is like Brady, they're both very good players, but they aren't elite stars

We don't need MT to succed in Ottawa!...So many better options for a lesser cost. Let's go through this coming draft and then we shall point out our needs for the future. So far I do agree that P.Dorion should grab the 3 best FWD's in the 1st round...Many talented D's in the 2nd round!

Thanks guys to keep this buzz going. I thought my trade propsapal was decent or could add Logan brown or more draft picks but not 3 and 5. Never say never when trading players even the Great One was traded and many other amazing players.

I think Ottawa would have to give up way to much to get MT and BT both in Ottawa. Calgary would ask way to much and likely not even be open to trading at all.

it's an interesting discussion with the idea of trading Chabot. but I still think a bad idea.

So far Chabot is looking better than Karlsson in their first few years of development and I'm excited to see what new heights he can reach. Plus with our D prospects. Ottawa is in a very good position moving forward.

I'd say we should take the safe bet in this years draft
#3 Byfield or Stutzle (I'm more hoping for Byfield)
#5 Drysdale

From there is still think we should at least attempt to move up in the draft and try to get Rossi as another pick.

That way we are in amazing safe moving forward with Forward prospects, Defense and Goalies. We have internal competition and let the superstars make their way to the top.

The Sens have to load up the right side after they draft Stutzle.

Thanks guys to keep this buzz going. I thought my trade propsapal was decent or could add Logan brown or more draft picks but not 3 and 5. Never say never when trading players even the Great One was traded and many other amazing players.
- SENS-sational

I agree with everything except taking Drysdale at 5. my thoughts:

if you get byfield at 3, take Raymond at 5

if you get stutzle at 3, take rossi/perfetti at 5

you can get a good D man with the isles pick, or even our own 2nd rd pick. we need to come out of the 1st rd with 2 elite forwards

The Sens have to load up the right side after they draft Stutzle.
- granpa

right wing or right D.....if you're talking D, we already have JBD and Thomson, so there is no urgency to get a dman.

if you're talking RW, then I agree.

right wing or right D.....if you're talking D, we already have JBD and Thomson, so there is no urgency to get a dman.

if you're talking RW, then I agree.
- sensarmy_11

Sorry meant to RW

BPA is extremely dumb when your teams has clear weaknesses, that would like the leafs drafting Rossi or Raymond over Drysdale if they had the 4th OA pick..... Sens need elite forward players not more D, they can draft a Dman next year if need be with their top 10 pick as next year is strong on Dmen.....
- Athrin

100% agree - BPA may work in theory if you're a team that can effectively address team weaknesses via free agency, but a small market team doesn't have that luxury, especially if the weakness is top-line talent. Even with a trade, when you have glaring team needs you run the distinct risk of being held over the barrel by other GM, and having to overpay to address the weakness that you could have just addressed via the draft. The perfect example being the Oilers, where whatever marginal gain came from drafting Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as the perceived BPA over Adam Larsson was completely blown out of the water when Adam Larsson later cost them Taylor Hall.

Ottawa already has Chabot, Brannstrom, Thomson, and Bernard-Docker in the prospect system as 1st round pick d-men, and could easily add 1-2 more quality d-men from their 4x 2nd round picks in the coming draft. But outside of Tkachuk it's pretty unclear how many of their top forward prospects have legitimate top-6 upside (eg. Norris, Batherson, White, Formenton, Brown, Pinto). As such, the #3 and #5 picks should absolutely be reserved for high-end scoring forwards, with at least one being a high-end centre. Fortunately, it looks like the Stutzle/Byfield pick should address that, but they would be foolish to pass on taking another high-end forward at #5.

7m for Brady seems like a lot..especially if there’ll be a cap freeze for the next couple of seasons.

Although, the bar has been set with White’s contract (regardless of position)

100% agree - BPA may work in theory if you're a team that can effectively address team weaknesses via free agency, but a small market team doesn't have that luxury, especially if the weakness is top-line talent. Even with a trade, when you have glaring team needs you run the distinct risk of being held over the barrel by other GM, and having to overpay to address the weakness that you could have just addressed via the draft. The perfect example being the Oilers, where whatever marginal gain came from drafting Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as the perceived BPA over Adam Larsson was completely blown out of the water when Adam Larsson later cost them Taylor Hall.

Ottawa already has Chabot, Brannstrom, Thomson, and Bernard-Docker in the prospect system as 1st round pick d-men, and could easily add 1-2 more quality d-men from their 4x 2nd round picks in the coming draft. But outside of Tkachuk it's pretty unclear how many of their top forward prospects have legitimate top-6 upside (eg. Norris, Batherson, White, Formenton, Brown, Pinto). As such, the #3 and #5 picks should absolutely be reserved for high-end scoring forwards, with at least one being a high-end centre. Fortunately, it looks like the Stutzle/Byfield pick should address that, but they would be foolish to pass on taking another high-end forward at #5.
- khawk

We should look at Nashville as a comparison. Small market team that drafted fir defence. They traded Jones for Johanson and lost the trade badly.

And then lost to the Pens, who were built up the middle.

100% agree - BPA may work in theory if you're a team that can effectively address team weaknesses via free agency, but a small market team doesn't have that luxury, especially if the weakness is top-line talent. Even with a trade, when you have glaring team needs you run the distinct risk of being held over the barrel by other GM, and having to overpay to address the weakness that you could have just addressed via the draft. The perfect example being the Oilers, where whatever marginal gain came from drafting Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as the perceived BPA over Adam Larsson was completely blown out of the water when Adam Larsson later cost them Taylor Hall.

Ottawa already has Chabot, Brannstrom, Thomson, and Bernard-Docker in the prospect system as 1st round pick d-men, and could easily add 1-2 more quality d-men from their 4x 2nd round picks in the coming draft. But outside of Tkachuk it's pretty unclear how many of their top forward prospects have legitimate top-6 upside (eg. Norris, Batherson, White, Formenton, Brown, Pinto). As such, the #3 and #5 picks should absolutely be reserved for high-end scoring forwards, with at least one being a high-end centre. Fortunately, it looks like the Stutzle/Byfield pick should address that, but they would be foolish to pass on taking another high-end forward at #5.
- khawk

Few things:

-RNH at the time was regarded as the best player in the draft (obviously as time went on he wasn’t), so you can’t fault the Oilers for taking him.

-Larsson for Hall was horrible. Chiarelli. Nough said.

-I always take the stance of BPA. HOWEVER.
You could make a solid argument that the players in the top 10, specifically between 4-9 are interchangeable.

- While I get we have JBD, LT, EB, it might be hard to pass up on the best dman in this class. I’m sorry, but outside of him..I’m not too impressed with the d group of this year, especially when you see next years group.

- Also some peops need to understand, it’s easier to address a forward position than a dman. Dmen are more valuable in this league.

-With Seattle coming up and a cap freeze, Dorion will be able to swing plenty of deals addressing forward depth.

Matthew Tkachuk is no where close to being worth the 3rd and 5th overall, in arguably the deepest draft the league has seen in 2-3 decades.

I agree that the first proposal was ridiculous, and I said as much in a reply.....but this one is equally as ridiculous. one of those picks, plus a good (not great) prospect, sure...but both picks, not even close.

Tkachuk is a 30g 65-70 pt player.....which is very good, but it's not great.

to move 3 AND 5, i'm looking at getting players like marner, Eichel, etc. if Ottawa is moving both those picks, it's for a legit star, not a really good (not great) player who gets lots of media attention because he's kind of a Richard.

Matthew is like Brady, they're both very good players, but they aren't elite stars
- sensarmy_11

Fair enough. Although, if we’re being totally honest with ourselves, I’d say you’re vastly underrating MT and overrating this draft.

He scored 34 goals and 77 points last year, as a 21-year old, and was on pace for 72 points this year. So to apply a ceiling of 65-70 points on a 22-year-old kid seems unfair. I’d say it’s more likely that he puts up 90 points next season than 65.

To lump MT together with his brother seems a bit inaccurate. MT is clearly in a better situation, but he appears to be the superior Tkachuk brother.

Repeat
Ask yourself would you trade BT for the package you just offered Calgary?
The Flames value Matthew as much as you guys value Brady and why would they not.
1st 2 seasons in NHL
BT GP 142, PTS 89, PIM 181
MT GP 144, PTS 97, PIM 166
You would have a better chance getting Monahan for that weak offer.
- Balboa

even that is a bad deal for Calgary......switch the isles pick to the 5th overall and MAYBE Calgary doesn't hang up the phone laughing.
- sensarmy_11

you guys need to learn to pump your breaks and read what I wrote

"more realistic trade". Doesn't mean I'm saying it's a deal I would make if I'm Calgary. Logan Brown, Alex Formenton, and a 1st is a good offer for Monahan, and one I wouldn't make as an Ottawa fan. Logan Brown has as much upside as Zibanejad when he was drafted - that said we'll see if he hits it in Ottawa

the issue I have with moving Chabot is that he's locked into a GREAT contract for the next 8 years. having a legit top pairing guy locked in at 8 mil, long term, would take the moon and stars for me to want to move that.

i'm not saying he's untouchable, but Matt Tkachuk is not the "must have" player that I would consider moving Chabot for.

if you're talking about a deal for a legit number one center, or maybe the 1st overall pick.....that's different......but I wouldn't move Chabot for Tkachuk
- sensarmy_11

moon and stars

A "fair" deal for Matthew Tkachuk is one which means the NEEDS of the flames. We could offer them 3 1st round picks and prospects but if it doesn't meet their need (to compete for the cup in the next 2-3 years) then it doesn't mean anything