A "fair" deal for Matthew Tkachuk is one which means the NEEDS of the flames. We could offer them 3 1st round picks and prospects but if it doesn't meet their need (to compete for the cup in the next 2-3 years) then it doesn't mean anything
- AlfieisKing

Let's get another Tkachuk in Ottawa then we'll have a 2 ring circus. It's too much of a distraction and the team will loose its focus. Keep your eye on the prize.

Few things:
-RNH at the time was regarded as the best player in the draft (obviously as time went on he wasn’t), so you can’t fault the Oilers for taking him.
-Larsson for Hall was horrible. Chiarelli. Nough said.
-I always take the stance of BPA. HOWEVER.
You could make a solid argument that the players in the top 10, specifically between 4-9 are interchangeable.
- While I get we have JBD, LT, EB, it might be hard to pass up on the best dman in this class. I’m sorry, but outside of him..I’m not too impressed with the d group of this year, especially when you see next years group.
- Also some peops need to understand, it’s easier to address a forward position than a dman. Dmen are more valuable in this league.
-With Seattle coming up and a cap freeze, Dorion will be able to swing plenty of deals addressing forward depth.
- Trilla

Counterpoints...
- I certainly can blame the Oilers for neglecting their defence in the 1st round of the draft for several consecutive years, to the point of necessitating a horrible trade made in desperation
- yes, Larsson for Hall was horrible... but is precisely why you need balance in your drafting, even if it might conflict with the "consensus BPA"
- "consensus BPA" is a load of $hit to begin with... average of averages stuff... each team has a different list, which is why Nashville effectively traded Chet Pickard plus a 3rd round pick for Erik Karlsson on draft day
- if it's regarded as a strong draft class for forwards, then it's all the more reason to be prioritizing forwards at this year's draft
- it may be easier to address forward depth than d-man depth, but genuinely high-end forward talent is just as valuable as high-end blue-line talent
- given the almost unprecedented number of prospects/picks that Dorion has been acquiring, depth is absolutely NOT the problem... what they need are more blue-chip talents at key positions, and right now the #1 C/RW spots are a black hole

Thanks guys to keep this buzz going. I thought my trade propsapal was decent or could add Logan brown or more draft picks but not 3 and 5. Never say never when trading players even the Great One was traded and many other amazing players.
- SENS-sational

Its questionable weather Logan Brown ever becomes an NHL regular. Sens fans keep on drinking your Kool-Aid

Its questionable weather Logan Brown ever becomes an NHL regular. Sens fans keep on drinking your Kool-Aid
- Balboa

The problem I have with Brown is not with his scoring upside, it's that I don't see much versatility in his game. Forwards like Norris, Batherson, White, Formenton, and Pinto just seem like they could be inserted on virtually any line, and contribute in almost any game situation. Brown seems like he's either the team's future #2C who sees a lot of PP time, or he's not going to play in the NHL.

you guys need to learn to pump your breaks and read what I wrote

"more realistic trade". Doesn't mean I'm saying it's a deal I would make if I'm Calgary. Logan Brown, Alex Formenton, and a 1st is a good offer for Monahan, and one I wouldn't make as an Ottawa fan. Logan Brown has as much upside as Zibanejad when he was drafted - that said we'll see if he hits it in Ottawa
- AlfieisKing

just because it's MORE realistic, doesn't mean it's realistic...………..

If Cgy offered Ottawa 2 okay prospects and a late 1st for Brady Tkachuk, Dorion would laugh and hang up the phone, so I would expect the Flames to do the same if Ottawa made a similar offer.

The problem I have with Brown is not with his scoring upside, it's that I don't see much versatility in his game. Forwards like Norris, Batherson, White, Formenton, and Pinto just seem like they could be inserted on virtually any line, and contribute in almost any game situation. Brown seems like he's either the team's future #2C who sees a lot of PP time, or he's not going to play in the NHL.
- khawk

If Logan Brown can stay healthy he will be a very good NHL center. I would like him to play in Ottawa but if they move him then it'll be somewhere else.

If Logan Brown can stay healthy he will be a very good NHL center. I would like him to play in Ottawa but if they move him then it'll be somewhere else.
- granpa

Are you kidding? Logan Brown is almost 23, and he has ONE goal in 30 NHL games. This dude is a guaranteed BUST

Curtis Lazar all over again. And, much like Lazar, you should take whatever you can get for him immediately

Are you kidding? Logan Brown is almost 23, and he has ONE goal in 30 NHL games. This dude is a guaranteed BUST

Curtis Lazar all over again. And, much like Lazar, you should take whatever you can get for him immediately
- AxlRose91

he just turned 22, it's a little early to call him a bust. Ottawa hasn't rushed him, which makes him very different from Lazar. In the games he's been up, he's been really good. the goals aren't there, but it's not like he's playing with elite linemates when called up either. i'm not saying he's gonna be a top line player, but he'll be a good player in the NHL. he has slick vision, a wicked pass, and great at protecting the puck. I don't think he was ever much of a goal scorer, much more of a playmaker.

he just turned 22, it's a little early to call him a bust. Ottawa hasn't rushed him, which makes him very different from Lazar. In the games he's been up, he's been really good. the goals aren't there, but it's not like he's playing with elite linemates when called up either. i'm not saying he's gonna be a top line player, but he'll be a good player in the NHL. he has slick vision, a wicked pass, and great at protecting the puck. I don't think he was ever much of a goal scorer, much more of a playmaker.
- sensarmy_11

He's a puck possession player and is getting injured because of that. Lots of arm, wrist and hand injuries (upper body).

Let's get another Tkachuk in Ottawa then we'll have a 2 ring circus. It's too much of a distraction and the team will loose its focus. Keep your eye on the prize.
- granpa

Hahaha. Great convo I started with the matthew tkachuk proposal but I would definitely love that guy in a sens uniform with his brother. 2 skillful poop talkers on the ice getting into players heads can really be a big upside while focusing on winning.

To keep:

Batherson
Norris
Formenton
Chabot
Branstrom
JDB
Thomson
Pinto
Wolanin
3&5 picks

To trade: (package deal) any of these players

1st (nyi)
White
Logan brown
Duclair
Tierney
Balcers
Chlaptik
2nd rounders or 3rd if needed

I would be fine with trading these players for matthew tkachuk.

Hahaha. Great convo I started with the matthew tkachuk proposal but I would definitely love that guy in a sens uniform with his brother. 2 skillful poop talkers on the ice getting into players heads can really be a big upside while focusing on winning.

To keep:

Batherson
Norris
Formenton
Chabot
Branstrom
JDB
Thomson
Pinto
Wolanin
3&5 picks

To trade: (package deal) any of these players

1st (nyi)
White
Logan brown
Duclair
Tierney
Balcers
Chlaptik
2nd rounders or 3rd if needed

I would be fine with trading these players for matthew tkachuk.
- SENS-sational

The Sens don’t need to throw away a lot of young talent and draft picks
for a high salaried player like M Tkachuk. We are in a rebuild and need the cap flexibility down the road. Dorian screwed up badly on the White contract which he will be stuck with for 5-6 years. Besides there is zero chance Calgary would trade Tkachuk anyway.

To the issue of the day Brady Tkachuk must be resigned, 7 million for 7 years sounds right. He wouldn’t get more from any other team with almost all of them all being in cap hell for the next 2 years. The Sens should be focusing on fleecing teams when they are forced to unload good players for peanuts.

The Sens don’t need to throw away a lot of young talent and draft picks
for a high salaried player like M Tkachuk. We are in a rebuild and need the cap flexibility down the road. Dorian screwed up badly on the White contract which he will be stuck with for 5-6 years. Besides there is zero chance Calgary would trade Tkachuk anyway.

To the issue of the day Brady Tkachuk must be resigned, 7 million for 7 years sounds right. He wouldn’t get more from any other team with almost all of them all being in cap hell for the next 2 years. The Sens should be focusing on fleecing teams when they are forced to unload good players for peanuts.
- Barrykerr1

jesus man, the guy only makes 4.7 mil. if all he turns into is a good 3rd line player, that's still not too much. at 4.7 mil, I expect him to be a 10-15 goal, 40-45pt guy, who plays good 2-way hockey......and i'm confident he'll be that. are people expecting him to be a 25goal 60pt guy? he's never going to be a top six guy, and anyone who thought he would is delusional. if Ottawa thought he would, or if White himself thought he would, I highly doubt he would have been signed long term to a deal under 5 mil

Hahaha. Great convo I started with the matthew tkachuk proposal but I would definitely love that guy in a sens uniform with his brother. 2 skillful poop talkers on the ice getting into players heads can really be a big upside while focusing on winning.

To keep:

Batherson
Norris
Formenton
Chabot
Branstrom
JDB
Thomson
Pinto
Wolanin
3&5 picks

To trade: (package deal) any of these players

1st (nyi)
White
Logan brown
Duclair
Tierney
Balcers
Chlaptik
2nd rounders or 3rd if needed

I would be fine with trading these players for matthew tkachuk.
- SENS-sational

BLAH BLAH BLAH

The Sens right now are in the driver's seat. They don't need to make deals. Their play right now is get through the draft and wait and see.

Counterpoints...
- I certainly can blame the Oilers for neglecting their defence in the 1st round of the draft for several consecutive years, to the point of necessitating a horrible trade made in desperation
- yes, Larsson for Hall was horrible... but is precisely why you need balance in your drafting, even if it might conflict with the "consensus BPA"
- "consensus BPA" is a load of $hit to begin with... average of averages stuff... each team has a different list, which is why Nashville effectively traded Chet Pickard plus a 3rd round pick for Erik Karlsson on draft day
- if it's regarded as a strong draft class for forwards, then it's all the more reason to be prioritizing forwards at this year's draft
- it may be easier to address forward depth than d-man depth, but genuinely high-end forward talent is just as valuable as high-end blue-line talent
- given the almost unprecedented number of prospects/picks that Dorion has been acquiring, depth is absolutely NOT the problem... what they need are more blue-chip talents at key positions, and right now the #1 C/RW spots are a black hole
- khawk

-What year did the Oilers neglect picking a dman in the first round? They got Nurse, Klefbom, Broberg, Bouchard all in the first round.

- I’m not against the Sens drafting two forwards..I like so many prospects that it’ll be hard for me to be disappointed. I’m saying though it’s easier to attain those forwards because there’s more of them.

- Look at the value Dorion put on Stone. A 2nd and Brannstrom. The best two way player we’ve ever had, gone for a d prospect.

-Teams simply put more value in d men because it’s a much harder position to play..and when you’ve got Drysdale there on the board, it might be hard to pass up on a guy who’s getting comparisons to Makar. And we’ve seen the impact Makar has had this season.

-We also need to be realistic and understand that not every d prospect we have is gna pan out (Cowen, Ceci), so it might be a good opportunity, to get as close to a sure thing as we could.

-Again If we don’t, I won’t be upset. Sens will probably be really bad next season and will have plenty of options in next years draft to address their back end if they need to.

^^ let’s not forget as well how we got Turris.

2nd and Rundblad.

So having a lot of blue chip dmen is a great problem to have

^^ let’s not forget as well how we got Turris.

2nd and Rundblad.

So having a lot of blue chip dmen is a great problem to have
- Trilla

This is a really important perspective.

Ottawa is putting in place great organizational depth. They have a solid base of blue chip prospects already and they are going to make substantial adds in the coming draft.

Combine the dynamic status of picks, prospects and huge CAP flexibility.

Sens need to be patient. Let the market come to them. They might be able to add a Marner or a Nylander or a Cerilli or a Sergachev. Multiple teams (more than 10) are hard pressed against the CAP and only a few teams have the mix of picks/prospects and CAP space to make huge deals.

Sens should not try to force a deal. Wait for the right deal to come to them.They will get a front line player at fair value.

This is a really important perspective.

Ottawa is putting in place great organizational depth. They have a solid base of blue chip prospects already and they are going to make substantial adds in the coming draft.

Combine the dynamic status of picks, prospects and huge CAP flexibility.

Sens need to be patient. Let the market come to them. They might be able to add a Marner or a Nylander or a Cerilli or a Sergachev. Multiple teams (more than 10) are hard pressed against the CAP and only a few teams have the mix of picks/prospects and CAP space to make huge deals.

Sens should not try to force a deal. Wait for the right deal to come to them.They will get a front line player at fair value.
- spatso

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Hi All! Apologies, but I'll be out of commission for the next couple days for my wedding. Will be back with a new blog Sunday night.

After the draft I believe the most important thing for the Sens is to figure out a way to get everybody on the ice and play some hockey.

Hi All! Apologies, but I'll be out of commission for the next couple days for my wedding. Will be back with a new blog Sunday night.
- Michael_Stuart

You have our permission to take a day off.

Congratulations to you and your partner.

Hi All! Apologies, but I'll be out of commission for the next couple days for my wedding. Will be back with a new blog Sunday night.
- Michael_Stuart

Congrats, good wedding !!!

Hi All! Apologies, but I'll be out of commission for the next couple days for my wedding. Will be back with a new blog Sunday night.
- Michael_Stuart

Congrats!!

The Sens right now are in the driver's seat. They don't need to make deals. Their play right now is get through the draft and wait and see.
- granpa

Yes I agree, no hurry to throw away some young prospects...At the right time, P.D. should try to get a solid young player or a 1st round pick from a team with cap hell...He is in the drivng seat and should maximize his edge!

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- granpa[/img]

Agreed!...nothing more to add: you nailed it