For sure, Byram is really really good, I'd be OK with that move. As for the other guys, Roussel has value but you'd have to eat salary as he's overpaid regarding cap hit, same for Sutter, he has value but he's now overpaid for what he brings so you'd most likely have to eat salary.

If Benning could eat one million from each of their salaries for one year that still frees up around five million to sign a much needed top six forward like Toffoli.

Not to mention sending down Baertschi and Eriksson which saves another 1.9 million.
- Pacificgem

Rous isn't really overpaid. He's making 3 mil. That's fine for a 3rd line winger, especially an agitating one like him. Sutter, ya, you'd have to add – though I'd wouldn't want to retain anything on him. Maybe like 750k.

How much dead cap space are you comfortable with? If we're eating a couple of mil in salary to sign a 5 million dollar player, in my mind that makes said 5 million dollar player more like a 7 million dollar player.
- Load Management

It's not coming out of my pocket so I don't really care as you're only allowed so many buyouts but at the end of the day it's about freeing up cap space with whatever means available to you.

I don't know if you have a subscription to "The Athletic" but Drance has a good piece on the Canucks situation and he breaks it down really well.

"Drance: A flat cap, inefficient contracts will delay Canucks’ window to contend"

disagreements over hockey matters is a change of pace around here.

i disagree with your assessment on boeser. his shot is something that can't be taught. he's got a safe goal scoring floor and a trigger man in the nhl is a very valuable thing.

tofolli is older and i believe him to be more dependant on linemates than you make boeser out to be.

anyway, like you said, just a difference of opinion on 2 players.
- RealityChecker

Nothing is for sure until it is on paper but from all that I have read so far (yes rumors ) it seems like the Canucks like Tofolli more also.

For sure, Byram is really really good, I'd be OK with that move. As for the other guys, Roussel has value but you'd have to eat salary as he's overpaid regarding cap hit, same for Sutter, he has value but he's now overpaid for what he brings so you'd most likely have to eat salary.

If Benning could eat one million from each of their salaries for one year that still frees up around five million to sign a much needed top six forward like Toffoli.

Not to mention sending down Baertschi and Eriksson which saves another 1.9 million.
- Pacificgem

The trade market for veteran role players under flat cap may be cold for a while with teams turning to ELC rookies.

Probably the best and only move needed, for cap flexibility, is forcing LE into mutual termination (if he still wants to play in NHL); LTIR or consultant role retirement.

The trade market for veteran role players under flat cap may be cold for a while while teams turn to ELC rookies.

Probably the best and only move needed, for cap flexibility, is forcing LE into mutual termination (if he still wants to play in NHL); LTIR or consultant role retirement.
- NuckUp

That would be such a blessing for the organization!!

The trade market for veteran role players under flat cap may be cold for a while with teams turning to ELC rookies.

Probably the best and only move needed, for cap flexibility, is forcing LE into mutual termination (if he still wants to play in NHL); LTIR or consultant role retirement.
- NuckUp

that is a very good point.

Nothing is for sure until it is on paper but from all that I have read so far (yes rumors ) it seems like the Canucks like Tofolli more also.
- VANTEL

i wouldn't be surprised. i haven't liked the team's pro-scouting for a few years.

If we want to fill holes, we have to give to get. If we want to get out from some of these contracts that are creating a jam, we need to get out of the ones that are easier to move. Rous is great, but he's the most moveable. Sutter the best candidate to move as he frees up a ton of space, and has some minimal value.

There's a log jam at forward, so ya, there is a hurry to move some players.

Ferland, Rous, Sutter, JV, Motte, Gaud, ZacMac, Leivo, Eriksson, Beagle all sitting in the bottom 6. That's not even including the players who are nearly ready to make the jump.
- NewYorkNuck

I get peoples concerns but I do like the make up of this team . I think they have a good balance of veteran players. Some highly skilled young and middle aged players. And a good mix of toughness.

I don't mind a fourth line of Beagle Sutter and Ferland or Motte. Right now there is not enough room for the number of healthy forwards.

If I was to say there was a hole on the team it would be on the D. Go into the offseason and fix that hole. It does not mean bring back the same players and hope for a better story.

It's not coming out of my pocket so I don't really care as you're only allowed so many buyouts but at the end of the day it's about freeing up cap space with whatever means available to you.

I don't know if you have a subscription to "The Athletic" but Drance has a good piece on the Canucks situation and he breaks it down really well.

"Drance: A flat cap, inefficient contracts will delay Canucks’ window to contend"
- Pacificgem

No, I don't have a subscription. But I'm also of the mindset that it's not as dire as some think. We need a little luck with some ELC's. Any way we can stop the bleeding without shaving the cap would help as well.

Marky playing light's out could also force the window to open a little more than it would normally.....a la Hextall's Conn Smythe year.

I get peoples concerns but I do like the make up of this team . I think they have a good balance of veteran players. Some highly skilled young and middle aged players. And a good mix of toughness.

I don't mind a fourth line of Beagle Sutter and Ferland or Motte. Right now there is not enough room for the number of healthy forwards.

If I was to say there was a hole on the team it would be on the D. Go into the offseason and fix that hole. It does not mean bring back the same players and hope for a better story.
- VANTEL

Ineffective coaching is their biggest weakness, you can't win giving up 50 shots a game 25% of the time and relying so heavily on goaltending.

No, I don't have a subscription. But I'm also not of the mindset that it's not as dire as some think. We need a little luck with some ELC's. Any way we can stop the bleeding without shaving the cap would help as well.

Marky playing light's out could also force the window to open a little more than it would normally.....a la Hextall's Conn Smythe year.
- Load Management

I don't think it's a dire situation either, I do however think it will stop them from being more competitive than they are (bubble team), at least in the short term.

that is a very good point.
- RealityChecker

It goes with the fact that Teams will need to spend their cap on their top RFA players.

Ineffective coaching is their biggest weakness, you can't win giving up 50 shots a game 25% of the time and relying so heavily on goaltending.
- Pacificgem

I think scoring chances are more important than shots but I get what you mean.

The thing I like about the idea is simple . I like Toffoli better than Boeser. I thought Boeser was overpaid and he had flaws in his game. His shot was not as good last year , he was a defensive liability IMO and he was moved down at times to Gaudettes line because he was ineffective. This is my opinion which every one is entitled too.
I would choose Tofilli over Boeser all the time every day.He is a much better 200 foot player.
Moving Jake or Boeser was a slam dunk for me and fill in the RHD .
- VANTEL

Boeser isn’t overpaid at all - in every facet - Especially compared to slew of the Other contracts that were handed out last summer to his fellow draft classmates. I actually think he’s underpaid and along with Horvats contract it’s a bargain.

Of course he has flaws in his game he’s 23! his game grew into more playmaking this year which is a plus making him more well rounded and he’s still working on improving his play in his own end.

you Have to take into consideration that his wrist injury/surgery from last season will heal - probably is fully now since the lockdown. I also don’t think it’s a Brock or Toffoli choice - there are ways to keep both (granted, not easy ones)
Keep in mind He was only moved down the lineup for a couple games when he came back from his injury also. Now that Petey and Miller are the trigger men on the PP his goals were bound to drop off a little bit he’s still very young and can easily be a 30-40 goal scorer in the near future - those arnt guys you trade.

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That would be such a blessing for the organization!!
- Pacificgem

Yes and just like other teams have done it when faced with zero sum options. The media doesn't like dealing with the grey areas and harp on the traditional options which give no real solutions.

It goes with the fact that Teams will need to spend their cap on their top RFA players.
- NuckUp

This is a league wide issue not only with Canucks . Even the teams with a lot current cap space have to keep the future in thought. This cap is going to be flat for two years and unless it is a huge TV deal the third year who knows.

EK reporting Sven Baertschi opting out...he was never in

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- VanHockeyGuy

That's a lot of poop for a dog that size.

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- VanHockeyGuy

Driver scared the sh1t right out of him

Boeser isn’t overpaid at all - in every facet - Especially compared to slew of the Other contracts that were handed out last summer to his fellow draft classmates. I actually think he’s underpaid and along with Horvats contract it’s a bargain.

Of course he has flaws in his game he’s 23! his game grew into more playmaking this year which is a plus making him more well rounded and he’s still working on improving his play in his own end.

you Have to take into consideration that his wrist injury/surgery from last season will heal - probably is fully now since the lockdown. I also don’t think it’s a Brock or Toffoli choice - there are ways to keep both (granted, not easy ones)
Keep in mind He was only moved down the lineup for a couple games when he came back from his injury also. Now that Petey and Miller are the trigger men on the PP his goals were bound to drop off a little bit he’s still very young and can easily be a 30-40 goal scorer in the near future - those arnt guys you trade.
- Brooks_Light

You guys like him . I am less of a fan.

I don't think it's a dire situation either, I do however think it will stop them from being more competitive than they are (bubble team), at least in the short term.
- Pacificgem

I agree. On the flip side, this opens up roster opportunities for younger players that they might not have normally had, or at least had to wait a couple of years for while vets washed out. Makes for interesting times within our depth chart, and the development curve.

Glad Sven opted out because Lind is one of those players to me.

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- VanHockeyGuy

I saw that yesterday...too funny, gotta go you gotta go

i wouldn't be surprised. i haven't liked the team's pro-scouting for a few years.
- RealityChecker

The pro scouting has done more harm than good. If they had done better this team’s turnaround would have been quicker and a whole lot smoother.

Again, I just wish this franchise could get all cylinders clicking at the same time for once.

I agree. On the flip side, this opens up roster opportunities for younger players that they might not have normally had, or at least had to wait a couple of years for while vets washed out. Makes for interesting times within our depth chart, and the development curve.

Glad Sven opted out because Lind is one of those players to me.
- Load Management

There's too many forwards as it is, where does everyone fit?

Miller Pettersson Toffoli
Pearson Horvat Boeser
Roussel Gaudette Virtanen
MacEwen Beagle Sutter

Ferland
Eriksson
Leivo
Motte
Baertschi