Well what else am I supposed to base it on? Is it not fair to compare his stats to other goalies on the same team?
- Leafs43

Simple, just try not to pretend you know more than you do based off a save percentage in the AHL.

Scott wheeler, a writer for the Athletic who scouts the Marlies had a good write up on him. Basically that he has all the tools on and off ice to be successful. There is a reason the Leafs really believe in him and it’s because his talents go along with his work habits. Glancing at a raw save percentage in the AHL from a rookie goalie that game into camp with a broken finger is not justified.

There’s a lot more to this than a save percentage.

I could see all 3 Kap/Kerfoot/Johnnson being gone going into next season.

I see Dubas taking advantage of their value of their contracts to struggling financial teams.

Kapanen 2 years at 5 million? That’s insane value right now.

Teams like CBJ/FLA/ARI/BUF would be lining up for a contract like that.

Gotcha. Well, might as well trade the guy for peanuts. Give him a chance somewhere else.
- Leafs43

I think that's what he's hoping for.

Apparently, he's of the mind that he should be in the NHL already and wasn't happy about being with the Marlies still. And as a result, his play suffered from it.

Simple, just try not to pretend you know more than you do based off a save percentage in the AHL.

Scott wheeler, a writer for the Athletic who scouts the Marlies had a good write up on him. Basically that he has all the tools on and off ice to be successful. There is a reason the Leafs really believe in him and it’s because his talents go along with his work habits. Glancing at a raw save percentage in the AHL from a rookie goalie that game into camp with a broken finger is not justified.

There’s a lot more to this than a save percentage.
- Santo_44

Honestly man, some people on this site are just begging for an argument. I barely even said anything about the guy. I could point out that you got his age wrong by two years, proving that you (just like I) have no idea what you are talking about.

This is what I said:

Hope he becomes something, but it doesn't seem like he is trending in the right direction.

"It doesn't seem like he is trending in the right direction"

I'm not pretending to know anything. I didn't even make a definitive statement.

Simple, just try not to pretend you know more than you do based off a save percentage in the AHL.

Scott wheeler, a writer for the Athletic who scouts the Marlies had a good write up on him. Basically that he has all the tools on and off ice to be successful. There is a reason the Leafs really believe in him and it’s because his talents go along with his work habits. Glancing at a raw save percentage in the AHL from a rookie goalie that game into camp with a broken finger is not justified.

There’s a lot more to this than a save percentage.
- Santo_44

Has talent, good work habit, and all of the tools to be successful... sounds like the typical empty praise that we hear about most prospects.

Did Wheeler specifically point out any areas of development that has really impressed? Do the Leafs really believe in him? They kind of have no choice right now as the G prospect pool is thin AF.

You just summoned Max. Thanks.
- Canada Cup

Yeah, not a great idea.

Honestly man, some people on this site are just begging for an argument. I barely even said anything about the guy. I could point out that you got his age wrong by two years, proving that you (just like I) have no idea what you are talking about.

This is what I said:



"It doesn't seem like he is trending in the right direction"

I'm not pretending to know anything. I didn't even make a definitive statement.
- Leafs43

I don’t.

It’s why I gave a reference on someone who studies the player.

I simply stated why you were wrong to say that he seems to be trending in the wrong direction based off looking at hockeyDB for the AHL.

And you got mad at it.

Has talent, good work habit, and all of the tools to be successful... sounds like the typical empty praise that we hear about most prospects.

Did Wheeler specifically point out any areas of development that has really impressed? Do the Leafs really believe in him? They kind of have no choice right now as the G prospect pool is thin AF.
- mjones242

If you have the athletic take a look, there is plenty of insight on him. And yes. The Leafs do really believe in him.

We were just talking how Bracco is failing as a prospect due to his work habits.

It goes both ways.

For goaltending there is a lot more than looking at a raw save percentage. It’s actually a pretty useless stat to look at when evaluating goalies.

Honestly man, some people on this site are just begging for an argument. I barely even said anything about the guy. I could point out that you got his age wrong by two years, proving that you (just like I) have no idea what you are talking about.

This is what I said:



"It doesn't seem like he is trending in the right direction"

I'm not pretending to know anything. I didn't even make a definitive statement.
- Leafs43

You are correct, about the statement in bold, and your overall commentary. People get their back up really quick around here. Then they get you banned without any issue other than you jabbing an opinion they don't agree with. Very sad.

Simple, just try not to pretend you know more than you do based off a save percentage in the AHL.

Scott wheeler, a writer for the Athletic who scouts the Marlies had a good write up on him. Basically that he has all the tools on and off ice to be successful. There is a reason the Leafs really believe in him and it’s because his talents go along with his work habits. Glancing at a raw save percentage in the AHL from a rookie goalie that game into camp with a broken finger is not justified.

There’s a lot more to this than a save percentage.
- Santo_44

Stats are what most things are based on unless you watch the prospects day in and day out.
All he said, was it "seemed" like he was trending in the wrong direction.
Doesnt sound like he was pretending to know more.
It was a fair comment.
No need to look for an argument

You are correct, about the statement in bold, and your overall commentary. People get their back up really quick around here. Then they get you banned without any issue other than you jabbing an opinion they don't agree with. Very sad.
- kaptaan

Or come across as racist.
Like some people do.
Which is a good reason to get banned.

Stats are what most things are based on unless you watch the prospects day in and day out.
All he said, was it "seemed" like he was trending in the wrong direction.
Doesnt sound like he was pretending to know more.
It was a fair comment.
No need to look for an argument
- Fakepartofme

This sounds like you agree with my statement that was posted just before yours.

how's that possible?

You are correct, about the statement in bold, and your overall commentary. People get their back up really quick around here. Then they get you banned without any issue other than you jabbing an opinion they don't agree with. Very sad.
- kaptaan

I don't agree with your opinion to "they should build machines" but I didn't argue it.

Or come across as racist.
Like some people do.
Which is a good reason to get banned.
- Fakepartofme

Being racist is different than someone thinking you are racist cuz you don't agree with them on something, or because you defend one group of people from being blamed for everything that goes wrong in society.

I don't agree with your opinion to "they should build machines" but I didn't argue it.
- bobbyisno1

In Europe and Japan, they've developed all kinds of machinery to eliminate the need for mass labor in agriculture. That's what I was referring to. Those machines are more efficient than the type of labor used in the USA and Canada in many many cases.

In Europe and Japan, they've developed all kinds of machinery to eliminate the need for mass labor in agriculture. That's what I was referring to. Those machines are more efficient than the type of labor used in the USA and Canada in many many cases.
- kaptaan

Those robots were set to take over agricultural labour since 2011 or 12. It really depends on the type of farm and economics. Big capital outlay makes sense for large corporate farming or where countries are tightening up immigration laws. Canada can still bring up seasonal workers without the big investments. Smaller farmers get workers that they only have to pay when needed and the workers get money that helps their local economies. Better all round.

I don’t.

It’s why I gave a reference on someone who studies the player.

I simply stated why you were wrong to say that he seems to be trending in the wrong direction based off looking at hockeyDB for the AHL.

And you got mad at it.
- Santo_44

Can I have the link to this Woll article by Wheeler? Last article by Wheeler on Woll I can find is from Dec 2018.

If you have the athletic take a look, there is plenty of insight on him. And yes. The Leafs do really believe in him.

We were just talking how Bracco is failing as a prospect due to his work habits.

It goes both ways.

For goaltending there is a lot more than looking at a raw save percentage. It’s actually a pretty useless stat to look at when evaluating goalies.
- Santo_44

I've never espoused the opinion that S% is a legitimate stat in any context: be it NHL goaltenders or prospects.

I'll have a look at the Athletic article you're referring to. My thoughts are based on some of the (admittedly limited) experiences I've had watching him between the Marlie pipes. Also, multiple PPP contributors haven't been too high on Woll's current state or progression which has perhaps coloured my opinion of him as well.

Granted, he's only 22 but I haven't heard or read anything that really sells me that Woll will be a significant part of the Leafs goaltending future. Goalies are mysterious beings though -- they play probably the hardest position to assess.

Having said that, barring a miraculous performance this year, he's nowhere close to being ready to replace Freddie in a year's time and I think that's the original point I was trying to get across.

Can I have the link to this Woll article by Wheeler? Last article by Wheeler on Woll I can find is from Dec 2018.
- Leafs43

His last prospect ranking for the Leafs.

Then there was one written a few weeks ago based solely on his first year.

Search up “joseph woll” in the athletic search engine.

I've never espoused the opinion that S% is a legitimate stat in any context: be it NHL goaltenders or prospects.

I'll have a look at the Athletic article you're referring to. My thoughts are based on some of the (admittedly limited) experiences I've had watching him between the Marlie pipes. Also, multiple PPP contributors haven't been too high on Woll's current state or progression which has perhaps coloured my opinion of him as well.

Granted, he's only 22 but I haven't heard or read anything that really sells me that Woll will be a significant part of the Leafs goaltending future. Goalies are mysterious beings though -- they play probably the hardest position to assess.

Having said that, barring a miraculous performance this year, he's nowhere close to being ready to replace Freddie in a year's time and I think that's the original point I was trying to get across.
- mjones242

Yes I agree, he won’t be ready for at least a few years.

But I agree goalies are mysterious. With Woll you can see the talent, and according to scouts within the Leafs org he has the off ice/on ice habits to back it up.

As a goalie prospect you just want them to have the mechanics and the work ethic to back it up. Goalies have good and bad years...it’s never a good idea to look at 30 games of a SV percentage and make any sort of prediction of it. There’s much more.

Anyways it seems we agree based on your comment.

Being racist is different than someone thinking you are racist cuz you don't agree with them on something, or because you defend one group of people from being blamed for everything that goes wrong in society.
- kaptaan

Speaking of race, from last thread.

Hospitalization rates from Covid 19 by race, per 100,000 population

American Indian 221
Non Hispanic Black 178
Hispanic/Latino. 160
Non Hispanic White. 40

Key Reasons

1. Living Conditions - densely populated areas, racial segregation, reserves lack plumbing
2. Work Circumstances - essential workers, lack of health insurance
3. Underlying health issues


https://www.cdc.gov/coron...al-ethnic-minorities.html

Demko for Kapanen and a 2nd
- kaptaan

*fart sound*

From last blog-



Think he's still on leave from the team.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think he was reinstated right when the shutdown started, so he hasn't played in months.

This : https://twitter.com/Galac...tatus/1282366737611186176

*fart sound*
- burn

Lol