Yeah.... We all generally knew this was a killer of the elderly. I never heard anybody put specific numbers on it however.

I'd like to see the rates broken down by all age groups and comorbidities. After doing a quick search, seems like 90%+ of the remaining 20k had serious issues too.

I don't know.... Is it really "sacrificing" people at this point? Or are we now sacrificing people in other ways?
- madmike71

Yeah I generally agree. The adverse effects of a prologued societal quarantine are being underplayed by the apocalyptic types that view any form of reopening until the virus is pretty much eliminated as unacceptable. That being said, I think it’s pretty gross to argue “Well old people die. It is what it is so we should just reopen.” I feel like there’s a middle ground where we focus on reopening society for those who aren’t at risk to get this economy recovering and people back out and socializing for mental heath purposes while keeping strict protections and contact limitations on those of a certain age group/medical conditions. All the reopening plans out there right now are one size fits all where once a city hits a certain criteria goal they get to reopen X type of businesses/facilities. Why not shift the strategy to reopening by demographic instead and as certain criteria goals are hit, the next tier up of at risk demographic gets the quarantine guidelines lifted.

Cus right now we’re kind of in a poopty middle ground where we’re doing the whole lock down too pooptily to make a difference, but we’re still doing it strictly enough to get all the negatives the strategy leads to.

Anyway.... Back to hockey.

According to Morehouse, the Pens have been working really hard for weeks during those limited groups. Most of the team has been here for those skates. They might be much further along than the Habs.
- madmike71

Yeah I was pretty nervous about a five game series where everyone is playing pond hockey after a long lay off, but it seems like the Pens are incredibly ontop of their poop. As ontop of their poop as any team could be given the circumstances.

Yeah I generally agree. The adverse effects of a prologued societal quarantine are being underplayed by the apocalyptic types that view any form of reopening until the virus is pretty much eliminated as unacceptable. That being said, I think it’s pretty gross to argue “Well old people die. It is what it is so we should just reopen.” I feel like there’s a middle ground where we focus on reopening society for those who aren’t at risk to get this economy recovering and people back out and socializing for mental heath purposes while keeping strict protections and contact limitations on those of a certain age group/medical conditions. All the reopening plans out there right now are one size fits all where once a city hits a certain criteria goal they get to reopen X type of businesses/facilities. Why not shift the strategy to reopening by demographic instead and as certain criteria goals are hit, the next tier up of at risk demographic gets the quarantine guidelines lifted.

Cus right now we’re kind of in a poopty middle ground where we’re doing the whole lock down too pooptily to make a difference, but we’re still doing it strictly enough to get all the negatives the strategy leads to.
- Victoro311

Your approach is much more problematic (I would say impossible) than simply getting everyone to wear a mask and practice social distancing. The average age of infection has gone way down and yet we are at all-time highs and hospitals are being overrun. Sure, we haven't locked old/compromised people in their homes, but when the disease is allowed to spread unabated, it is pretty hard to keep it from spreading to those demographics you are trying to protect. I don't think it's controversial to say there is a direct correlation between infection rates and attitudes / practices about preventative measures. We have a lot of other countries to use as models of how it can work.

Your approach is much more problematic (I would say impossible) than simply getting everyone to wear a mask and practice social distancing. The average age of infection has gone way down and yet we are at all-time highs and hospitals are being overrun. Sure, we haven't locked old/compromised people in their homes, but when the disease is allowed to spread unabated, it is pretty hard to keep it from spreading to those demographics you are trying to protect. I don't think it's controversial to say there is a direct correlation between infection rates and attitudes / practices about preventative measures. We have a lot of other countries to use as models of how it can work.
- Hockey66

You’re probably right. It just sucks being in this middle ground where we can’t do the shut in well enough to matter because, as you say, too many people are deadset in proving a stupid point.

Yeah I was pretty nervous about a five game series where everyone is playing pond hockey after a long lay off, but it seems like the Pens are incredibly ontop of their poop. As ontop of their poop as any team could be given the circumstances.
- Victoro311

Yeah, 5-game series can be sketchy. I am old enough to remember the division semis being decided by the first to win 3 games. Goalie(s) having bad game(s) and bad officiating can really swing a series.

You’re probably right. It just sucks being in this middle ground where we can’t do the shut in well enough to matter because, as you say, too many people are deadset in proving a stupid point.
- Victoro311

Totally agree. It really screws with restaurants who place big orders for food and then have to...give it away before it spoils? The other thing about the belligerent anti-mask, anti-distancing phenomenon (which I have experienced first-hand several times), is that now, regardless of how good compliance may be or may become, I am much more reluctant to go out and spend money because of these experiences. This is the ultimate in cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Totally agree. It really screws with restaurants who place big orders for food and then have to...give it away before it spoils? The other thing about the belligerent anti-mask, anti-distancing phenomenon (which I have experienced first-hand several times), is that now, regardless of how good compliance may be or may become, I am much more reluctant to go out and spend money because of these experiences. This is the ultimate in cutting off your nose to spite your face.
- Hockey66

My parents are doctors in deep red SC. My dad has been a GOP voter since moving to the states. My mom is more of an independent. Both were skeptical of COVID when it was first rolling in but quickly came to the conclusion that the quarantine guidelines were a must. From hearing them talk about the people back home and how they’re acting it’s pretty clear that there’s just nothing you can say or show to the militantly anti-mask crowd to get them to listen. It goes beyond their personal choice to not wear masks. They go out of their way to be bumholes to people taking this stuff seriously. I mean we saw it on this very board today. We’re basically stuck in this holding pattern until there’s a vaccine. I mean in late April and May most places besides NYC and California were tracking in the right direction and then COVID basically outsourced itself from Florida to rally. According to my parents this isn’t even the second wave. The first wave just resurged badly.

There are more outcomes other than simply living or dying. Experts fear negative long-term health impacts and/or permanent damage affecting the lungs, heart / cardiovascular, kidneys, digestive tract, and/or brain / neurological system. COVID can also lead to other deadly outcomes after the patient recovers (which won't be recorded as COVID deaths).
- Hockey66

Not too many people are taking this part seriously. We know very little about long-term effects and some of these young healthy people who recover might find their cost down the road.

I heard this guy on the radio over the weekend... They did a study in collaboration with all the state medical directors. It wasn't a right/left discussion. Just a statistical discussion about what we're learning so far.

Basically.... Out of the 130,000+ deaths, 110,000 were in the 65+ age group. Out of those 110,000, 95% had significant underlying issues.

Also said, deaths in young people are almost zero. Yes, some young people are having complications and a handful have died, but it's statistically insignificant when considering all the other ramifications like suicide, OD's and financial hardships.

Anyway... Not meant as a political point. Just haven't heard the death rate broken down like this.

LGP.
- madmike71

The main mistakes our government/country made early on are:
1. We didnt address the threat to nursing homes and many governors put nursing homes at more risk instead of helping them prepare. I cannot imagine those poor workers at those nursing homes, it must have been devasting to see entire wings of the home develop the virus/die.

2. Frank up the testing situation. Even today, it took my boss 5 days to get his results. At that point, why bother? We wont get these numbers undercontrol until we burn out the spread (not likely anytime soon), develop a vaccine (not likely anytime soon), or get more testing and ensure all results are provided in 24 hours or less.

3. Our government had such a bad message early on, no one trusts them now. Yes, it has become politicized, but back in March, everyone in government was telling us we didnt need masks and we were being selfish for buying them.

We should have looked at Asia where they wear masks for a lot of illnesses and they got testing out and avilable very quickly. Instead, we tried to follow Europe and just did a really poor job.

I went to respond to Boyd and it didn't work now all of his posts are gone... He get the ban hammer dropped on him?
- MattStrat

Unless I missed something, it would be weird if he was the one who got banned.

I was very glad when the Pens didn't get Ferland.
- Rinosaur

Unfit to play will be the standard response coming from teams regarding a players absence. People are left to guess....Concusion or virus? Is the virus an upper or lower body injury?

Unfit to play will be the standard response coming from teams regarding a players absence. People are left to guess....Concusion or virus? Is the virus an upper or lower body injury?
- Hardbalz

One hundo an upper body.

If anyone wants to talk hockey here’s a thought I’ve had. While players are going to be rested there’s going to be a lot of rust. Patrick Hornqvist’s style of play is going to be more effective early on than the Sid/Sheary/Geuntzel style. I’d put Horny with Sid and Getz.

From what I read type 1 diabetics aren't at risk. It's type 2, who are obese and have other issues that are at risk.

My parents are doctors in deep red SC. My dad has been a GOP voter since moving to the states. My mom is more of an independent. Both were skeptical of COVID when it was first rolling in but quickly came to the conclusion that the quarantine guidelines were a must. From hearing them talk about the people back home and how they’re acting it’s pretty clear that there’s just nothing you can say or show to the militantly anti-mask crowd to get them to listen. It goes beyond their personal choice to not wear masks. They go out of their way to be bumholes to people taking this stuff seriously. I mean we saw it on this very board today. We’re basically stuck in this holding pattern until there’s a vaccine. I mean in late April and May most places besides NYC and California were tracking in the right direction and then COVID basically outsourced itself from Florida to rally. According to my parents this isn’t even the second wave. The first wave just resurged badly.
- Victoro311

I've read and watched videos that anything less than a full N95 mask doesn't do squat, plus you have to have your eyes covered too, which a mask isn't going to do. Virus will get you through your eyes.

Also, read that we're all getting it anyway at some point, just need to slow the rate of infection. Best to stay home... or take the hcq, Zinc, azythromycin combination...

The vaccine is some kind of recombinant DNA type if not mistaken. Something entirely new to humans. I'm not interested in such a vaccine.

Yea I think you're right.Your boy Rust got robbed of his first 30 goal season
- 668710

"your boy rust", im pretty sure i argued with every single person on here , over the summer"that trading rust was a bad move, and that he was on of our best value contracts and we should not trade him for any reason.

Yeah.... We all generally knew this was a killer of the elderly. I never heard anybody put specific numbers on it however.

I'd like to see the rates broken down by all age groups and comorbidities. After doing a quick search, seems like 90%+ of the remaining 20k had serious issues too.

I don't know.... Is it really "sacrificing" people at this point? Or are we now sacrificing people in other ways?
- madmike71

That's the whole point with people, i assume, on my side of the aisle. It seems much more like the masks are a scare tactic, to make you think, that they are absolutely necessary, which would make it "irresponsible" to go back to work. which will clearly surpress the economy. all while, all to conveniently, within an election year. and all of it just disappears when there is a protest??? wot?


no, i don't buy it. not when this was all seemlessly transitioned from a ridiculous impeachment campaign which featured countless "i heard from someone who heard from someone" and 0 first hand knowledge.

"your boy rust", im pretty sure i argued with every single person on here , over the summer"that trading rust was a bad move, and that he was on of our best value contracts and we should not trade him for any reason.
- joecool2931

Lol I've been talking about Rust since he was still in college on account that we were at ND at the same time and I went to every game his senior season. I am 100% the Rust guy on this board.

If anyone wants to talk hockey here’s a thought I’ve had. While players are going to be rested there’s going to be a lot of rust. Patrick Hornqvist’s style of play is going to be more effective early on than the Sid/Sheary/Geuntzel style. I’d put Horny with Sid and Getz.
- Grinder47

Hornqvist has had a really good season. I think he'll be effective regardless. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of going with Sid and the Kids just because it worked a few seasons ago and think Sheary would be better served on the third line. I'd also start Hornqvist on the first line, but he'll end up there eventually at least for spot duty. Sullivan blends his line mid game pretty much on a game by game basis.

Lol I've been talking about Rust since he was still in college on account that we were at ND at the same time and I went to every game his senior season. I am 100% the Rust guy on this board.
- Victoro311

If i had any clue of an easy way to go back one year in blogs, i would find the messages. But for now, ill have to share the rust stan status. but i will give it to no one else!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

I've read and watched videos that anything less than a full N95 mask doesn't do squat, plus you have to have your eyes covered too, which a mask isn't going to do. Virus will get you through your eyes.

Also, read that we're all getting it anyway at some point, just need to slow the rate of infection. Best to stay home... or take the hcq, Zinc, azythromycin combination...

The vaccine is some kind of recombinant DNA type if not mistaken. Something entirely new to humans. I'm not interested in such a vaccine.
- kaptaan

Cloth masks aren't protection for you. They're protection for other people. They don't keep the virus out, but they keep it in if your asymptotic.

Plus, psychologically, masks encourage social distancing behaviors which is about a million times more important than masks. If no one wore masks but everyone social distanced we'd be fine. If everyone wore masks but no one social distanced we wouldn't be fine. The issue with the anti mask people isn't necessarily that they don't wear masks. It's that they go out of their way to not social distance to prove a point.

If i had any clue of an easy way to go back one year in blogs, i would find the messages. But for now, ill have to share the rust stan status. but i will give it to no one else!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
- joecool2931

I guarantee you would not find one of me advocating trading Rust haha. My wife got me his sweater for my last birthday. Can't have it becoming a vintage already.

I guarantee you would not find one of me advocating trading Rust haha. My wife got me his sweater for my last birthday. Can't have it becoming a vintage already.
- Victoro311

I was totally against trading Rust just to get rid of/dump JJ. Thats what quite a few here were advocating and I would never get behind it.

I was totally against trading Rust just to get rid of/dump JJ. Thats what quite a few here were advocating and I would never get behind it.
- MattStrat

What I did say on that front is that it wouldn't be worth it for the other team. Running off the assumption that other teams understood JJ was unplayable, you'd essentially be bringing in Rust at a $7 mil cap. I mean, Rust is a max player and all, but I doubt any team would be interested in Bryan Rust at top line wing money.

I was totally against trading Rust just to get rid of/dump JJ. Thats what quite a few here were advocating and I would never get behind it.
- MattStrat

I don't think many were wanting to move Rust. My memory may be foggy, but my recollection was that media had him as very likely candidate to be moved, so he was injected to a lot of trade proposals on here.