I posted the links the other day for points for guys up front the last 5 years, 3 years and 2 years


reinhart was top 60 for 5 years and 3 years, top 50 for the last 2 years


there is only 31 teams, so 93 first line players and reinhart was somewhere near the middle once you removed the d men from the list on all 3 links



the haters had no response
not 1 single response
- homiedclown

We need to ADD more good players
Just swapping Sam for another good player doesn’t really help us get better

Sam is no ROR. There were no teams drooling with offer sheets when he was an RFA, he got a show-me contract.
- GilPerreault11

It’s still a completely invalid argument

Brayden Point and Matthew Tkachuk are lesser players for the exact same reasons, yes?
- RhinoFan

BOOM!

Regardless, you seem to think its Jack's fault equally?

There hasnt been a sabre in 2 decades that does more NOT to lose.

Sam is just like every other loser over the past 9 years of 0 playoffs.

Do not mention my niece (frank)face.

It was my friends daughter (frank)o.

Sam doesnt try his best every shift. How does that not bother you? (frank)o
- Boss34

ZERO players in the history of the NHL do
No one can go 100% all the time

100%, but why would a team trade a center for a winger? It makes no sense. If a team is stacked at center, then they slide a guy to the wing. All centers can play wing. The big trades for those centers are all for defensemen. The biggest one in recent memory was Jones for Johansen, and then only because Torts hated Johansen. Zibanejad, sort of, but Ottawa was selling off salary, you can't rely on that.
- Wetbandit1

I agree, unless you add to Rhino you are not getting that 2C, or as someone else posted a top 10 pick. Sam is a good hockey player, he definitely isn't one of my favorites but unless you are getting a quality piece back for him why trade him, you are just creating another hole. We have other pieces that can be used to get players that can help us, Risto, Montour, McCabe, next year's 1st just to name a few. This team Is a train wreck right know, your Captain is pissed and he seems to like playing with Rhino, unless it's a better piece that helps us more why piss him of more.

sam and eichel has been the best sabre duo since lafontaine and mogilny


I have both of their autographs as well as eichel and reinhart
- homiedclown

You think better than drury briere... I don’t know. Those guys were clutch. But we also suck so bad we have no clue if eichel and Reinhart are

I don't mind Reinhart the player, but he is NOT a 1RW on a Cup caliber team.

Just saying.
- Powerslave

pens had sheary playing rw, kunitz playing lw with crosby on their last cup

kopitar had gabby on lw and brown on rw

for every Tarasenko or Patty Kane playing rw on the top line there is a brown or sheary

You think better than drury briere... I don’t know. Those guys were clutch. But we also suck so bad we have no clue if eichel and Reinhart are
- IndianaSabresFan

different lines

I don't mind Reinhart the player, but he is NOT a 1RW on a Cup caliber team.

Just saying.
- Powerslave

Is that really true, though? Points aren't everything, but he would've been the third-highest scoring player on the Blues last season, finishing 3 points behind Tarasenko. So maybe Sam is 2RW on that team because of Tarasenko?

The year before that he would've been the highest scoring RW on the Caps and highest scoring winger not named Ovechkin. I also imagine Sam would have a lot more points if he were feeding AO on the PP.

And Sam today is better than he was in either of the last two seasons. The fancy stats are pretty favorable for him, too.

I think the most compelling reason a cup-caliber team would put him at 2RW is because he is good enough to drive play for his own line, and, unlike the Sabres, a cup-caliber team would have NHL-caliber players to put on his line.

I don't mind Reinhart the player, but he is NOT a 1RW on a Cup caliber team.

Just saying.
- Powerslave

I don’t know. If we had a 2nd line I think him on the first line would be fine. But we need a really good 2nd line and all we have now is 2 average 3rd lines

We need to ADD more good players
Just swapping Sam for another good player doesn’t really help us get better
- jdfitz77

nope



only terry, kim, kevyn and ralph know what the demands are from the reinhart camp


it's like screaming fire before the match is even burning to throw on the gas pile

different lines
- homiedclown

Gotcha. Yeah. Then I agree

Is that really true, though? Points aren't everything, but he would've been the third-highest scoring player on the Blues last season, finishing 3 points behind Tarasenko. So maybe Sam is 2RW on that team because of Tarasenko?

The year before that he would've been the highest scoring RW on the Caps and highest scoring winger not named Ovechkin. I also imagine Sam would have a lot more points if he were feeding AO on the PP.

And Sam today is better than he was in either of the last two seasons. The fancy stats are pretty favorable for him, too.

I think the most compelling reason a cup-caliber team would put him at 2RW is because he is good enough to drive play for his own line, and, unlike the Sabres, a cup-caliber team would have NHL-caliber players to put on his line.
- JetpackJesus

the kicker is sam is getting better each year, just like jack


they both probably played their best hockey as a sabre during the last 100 games, when paired together

nope



only terry, kim, kevyn and ralph know what the demands are from the reinhart camp


it's like screaming fire before the match is even burning to throw on the gas pile
- homiedclown

9 years out of the playoffs, Sam living well off Jack but the team not so much. I'd say the fire has begun.

It’s still a completely invalid argument
- jdfitz77

Really? One was offered a contract that is seldom offered because he was really wanted, the other had to still show that he could play.

Is that really true, though? Points aren't everything, but he would've been the third-highest scoring player on the Blues last season, finishing 3 points behind Tarasenko. So maybe Sam is 2RW on that team because of Tarasenko?

The year before that he would've been the highest scoring RW on the Caps and highest scoring winger not named Ovechkin. I also imagine Sam would have a lot more points if he were feeding AO on the PP.

And Sam today is better than he was in either of the last two seasons. The fancy stats are pretty favorable for him, too.

I think the most compelling reason a cup-caliber team would put him at 2RW is because he is good enough to drive play for his own line, and, unlike the Sabres, a cup-caliber team would have NHL-caliber players to put on his line.
- JetpackJesus

Ok, but Blues are a deep team that spreads its scoring out.

Blues had 11 players with double digit goal totals (Sabres had 5), and yeah, Sam would've been up there. But is he getting the same ice time on that Blues team as he does here? No way.

Again, I don't mind the player, but if he's part of a deal to make this team better, I'm all for it.

My ? to everyone, how much say does Jack have who he plays with. Seems to me he has some say on what happens off of it.

We need to ADD more good players
Just swapping Sam for another good player doesn’t really help us get better
- jdfitz77

Competent organizations can find wingers easily.

Centres are a harder to come by.

If a team values Sam enough to give us a similar quality player who can handle playing the middle that is a good trade off.

Competent organizations can find wingers easily.

Centres are a harder to come by.

If a team values Sam enough to give us a similar quality player who can handle playing the middle that is a good trade off.
- Pegullaville

Yes it is, but if people on this board don't value him enough to be here, why should another team value him enough to do that.

I can't believe so many Sam supporters who hate the losing of every year of his career want to hoard him and Skinner in the top six, Skinner we have no choice about and keep the good times rolling.

Some times you have to shuffle the deck if the hand you are dealt keeps making you fold.

So many couldn't stand Darcy because he kept the core for GD ever after Briere and Drury left but now this whatever core that can't get out of its own way can't be touched except Risto. But Sam is the least of "there" problems.

9 years out of the playoffs, Sam living well off Jack but the team not so much. I'd say the fire has begun.
- GilPerreault11

you hate him

so there is that


eichel played his best hockey the last 100 games as a sabre

same for reinhart



people wonder why this country is so divided


look at the reinhart hate and jack love



for 99% of the reasons people say we don't need reinhart, because we lose all the time


those very same words can be used to move jack



jack is now a top 5 center in the nhl, and skunk is flanking his wing


deal with it

I can't believe so many Jack supporters who hate the losing of every year of his career want to hoard him and Skinner in the top six, Skinner we have no choice about and keep the good times rolling.

Some times you have to shuffle the deck if the hand you are dealt keeps making you fold.

.
- GilPerreault11

oh my

My ? to everyone, how much say does Jack have who he plays with. Seems to me he has some say on what happens off of it.
- Buff36

more then ralph


it seems

you hate him

so there is that


eichel played his best hockey the last 100 games as a sabre

same for reinhart



people wonder why this country is so divided


look at the reinhart hate and jack love



for 99% of the reasons people say we don't need reinhart, because we lose all the time


those very same words can be used to move jack



jack is now a top 5 center in the nhl, and skunk is flanking his wing


deal with it
- homiedclown

And you love him

And now you bring the country divide into the Sam debate? Oh my, I didn't know we were escalating Sam to that level. He better get a very big and long contract then.

Ok, but Blues are a deep team that spreads its scoring out.

Blues had 11 players with double digit goal totals (Sabres had 5), and yeah, Sam would've been up there. But is he getting the same ice time on that Blues team as he does here? No way.

Again, I don't mind the player, but if he's part of a deal to make this team better, I'm all for it.
- Powerslave

who fills the hole at RW


we have no prospects other then tage


the two people talk about, boeser and anderson , both often injured

the one guy I like, smith, is old so not a long term fix
moving johansson to rw is not a long term fix


if you flip olofsson to rw, and bump skinner up, it's the only two proven wingers we have, and olofsson has done it for 54 games and both skinner and olofsson get dinged up on a regular basis