The years Larsson was here the team was 179-239-61.

How much of a difference is that guy making?

And the only reason we have "tough matchups" is because we have no second line to match up with other team's second lines.

Fix the 2nd line, and things even out dramatically.
- Powerslave

With that argument I guess Eichel isn’t making a difference either ?

Fun fact - Larsson was one of the most successful forwards against Connor McDavid over the past two seasons
- sbroads24

Weird

A third liner who can't hit 20 points in 8 NHL seasons

Side note: his 28th birthday is tomorrow. He ain't getting any better offensively
- jcragcrumple

Defence does not matter.

If he prevents other teams from getting “points”, that’s not worth anything? Especially when that’s his entire role?

He had the same amount on primary assists as Victor Olofsson, and one less than Eichel at 5 on 5.

He isn’t a goal scorer. He is adequate as a passer.

Literally ALL the evidence points to him being a capable third line center if put with guys who aren’t AHL caliber scorers.
- sbroads24

I was told the log line was "one of the best lines in hockey."

Now they "aren't even AHL caliber scorers."

This is the dance everyone plays with this line. They get pointed to as a great unit and then to excuse the lack of offensive productivity by saying they actually kind of suck individually, so blame the other two guys

if you bring him back and play him 13 or so minutes a night plus pk time with kahun and johansson I am fine with that


a true third line
- homiedclown

This! Keep Larry Larry. Let locomotive Larry walk. And sadly we are stuck with concussed Larry until the next concussion. And while I like concussed Larry’s role as of late, he just costs too much.

One question, can Lazer Larry do what Larry Larry does and would it be at about half the cost of Larry Larry. And that’s if and only if there is mutual interest from Larry Larry and LarryKim on the Return of Larry Larry.

I was told the log line was "one of the best lines in hockey."

Now they "aren't even AHL caliber scorers."

This is the dance everyone plays with this line. They get pointed to as a great unit and then to excuse the lack of offensive productivity by saying they actually kind of suck individually, so blame the other two guys
- jcragcrumple

Jeff Skinner is horrific defensively but has very good offensive metrics.

Larry can shut down the best player in the NHL but suffers a bit on the offensive side.

Both have value on a hockey “team”.

If he prevents other teams from getting “points”, that’s not worth anything? Especially when that’s his entire role?

He had the same amount on primary assists as Victor Olofsson, and one less than Eichel at 5 on 5.

He isn’t a goal scorer. He is adequate as a passer.

Literally ALL the evidence points to him being a capable third line center if put with guys who aren’t AHL caliber scorers.
- sbroads24

That's it boards, and he doesn't mind doing the dirty work in the corners, funny how Skinner was scoring with Sobotka who did the dirty work in the corners.

If he prevents other teams from getting “points”, that’s not worth anything? Especially when that’s his entire role?

He had the same amount on primary assists as Victor Olofsson, and one less than Eichel at 5 on 5.

He isn’t a goal scorer. He is adequate as a passer.

Literally ALL the evidence points to him being a capable third line center if put with guys who aren’t AHL caliber scorers.
- sbroads24

The offensive ineptitude that was the Sabres this past year at even strength was due to their overall lack of talent at the forward position, combined with Ralph's conservative style.

The leading Sabres in terms of primary assists were Sam with 13, Johansson with 12, and Eichel with 9.

Hardly a murderer's row of production there, although keep in mind the league leaders were in the 20 to 25 range, and the season was shortened.

I like what Larsson brings, but let's not just assume that he'll do something at a much higher level than he ever has before in his career.

He would likely get more assists playing with more productive wingers, but how many more? I'm guessing not nearly as many as you may think.

I'm fine giving him a 1 year trial at 3C as long as a quality Center is brought in for the 2nd line, but I'm also prepared for the reality that when/if (please) the Sabres shift to a more offensive style, that his production won't see some large increase.

Jeff Skinner is horrific defensively but has very good offensive metrics.

Larry can shut down the best player in the NHL but suffers a bit on the offensive side.

Both have value on a hockey “team”.
- Pegullaville

That hockey team sucked ass. Move on

Get two centers who don't play 1-dimensional Larry hockey for 15 minutes a night

That hockey team sucked ass. Move on

Get two centers who don't play 1-dimensional Larry hockey for 15 minutes a night
- jcragcrumple

Sure let’s trade for the exact opposite player in Monahan. They’ll score goals but give up more then they score.

But hey we score more so at least we’ll be more exciting and still blow

The last sentence is true and he’s probably right
- sbroads24

Dubas will sign him and the Leafs will finally solidify the bottom 6 and win a cup.

I was told the log line was "one of the best lines in hockey."

Now they "aren't even AHL caliber scorers."

This is the dance everyone plays with this line. They get pointed to as a great unit and then to excuse the lack of offensive productivity by saying they actually kind of suck individually, so blame the other two guys
- jcragcrumple

Yes, at controlling play and flipping the ice. Not scoring. Why is that hard to comprehend?

He was the best player on one of the best defensive lines in the NHL

pointssssssssssssssss

With that argument I guess Eichel isn’t making a difference either ?
- Pegullaville

Ah, there we go.

Nice flaccoville

Yes, at controlling play and flipping the ice. Not scoring. Why is that hard to comprehend?

He was the best player on one of the best defensive lines in the NHL

pointssssssssssssssss
- sbroads24

I forgot: "points don't matter"

If only we could win games 0 to -1

I forgot: "points don't matter"

If only we could win games 0 to -1
- jcragcrumple

Whether we lose 2-1

Or lose 6-5

What’s the difference.

Goal differential is the only thing that matters.

Larsson Shuts down McDavid

Eichel and the 2C should put the points up.

It’s really not difficult.

With that argument I guess Eichel isn’t making a difference either ?
- Pegullaville

Larsson is going to shut down McDavid? 😂

Now I've heard it all.

I forgot: "points don't matter"

If only we could win games 0 to -1
- jcragcrumple

They matter. I've already pointed out that he produces like a 3rd liner in terms of EV points.

But yes, he doesn't ever see PP or OT time, and Eichel is the center who closes out games and getrs empty net points.

He has a positive goal differential on an awful team starting 80% of the time in the D zone.

He's good. It is what it is

It's incredible.

Every swinging d!ck on this board wanted to throw Larsson off a bridge, but now he's the second coming of Guy Carbonneau.

Waits for the revisionists...

It's incredible.

Every swinging d!ck on this board wanted to throw Larsson off a bridge, but now he's the second coming of Guy Carbonneau.
- Powerslave

What scares me is that of the people who are debating me, im pretty sure at least 50% would protect Larsson over Olofsson in an expansion draft

It's incredible.

Every swinging d!ck on this board wanted to throw Larsson off a bridge, but now he's the second coming of Guy Carbonneau.
- Powerslave

Crazy thing. He got better once put in a specific role once ROR left

What scares me is that of the people who are debating me, im pretty sure at least 50% would protect Larsson over Olofsson in an expansion draft
- jcragcrumple

Not necessarily. I'd need to see if Olofsson get's better or if he is still just a P specialist

Larsson is going to shut down McDavid? 😂

Now I've heard it all.
- Powerslave

Must have missed Sbroads post a few pages back

Crazy thing. He got better once put in a specific role once ROR left
- sbroads24

If Larry leaves we probably allow an additional 30 goals if we don’t replace him with somebody as good as him defensively.

Then let’s say we add a 2C and we score an additional 30 goals.

We still have a negative goal differential and still suck.

Unless Ullmark turns into a Vezina candidate over night and starts stopping 20 high ranger scoring chances a game

Must have missed Sbroads post a few pages back
- Pegullaville

I did.

And I'm not backreading.

I'm doing what so many on here do.

I've dug in.

Fix the 2nd line. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. 😊