nice...i tend to believe that things would be a whole lot worse
- Michael Pachla

Yeah, me too.

And if they moved Joker and Dahlin to the number 1 pairing they would be guys to rip on with their advanced stats and the eye tests.

I think they should move up to the top 4 and take it from there this year and not throw them to wolves and beat their confidence down, especially Dahlin's.

Still can't believe homie said DeBrincat is a 3rd liner he would be with jack the day we trade for him ..

but many on here truly believe that risto and montour are poor defensemen who are worse for this team than a 6/7 or a ???

how would adams get a "real" center for the garbage that those two offer?
- Michael Pachla

You're moving the goal posts, but a package with one of them, plus Mitts and Samuelson gets a good center

The other one plus next year's first gets a good winger

Yeah, me too.

And if they moved Joker and Dahlin to the number 1 pairing they would be guys to rip on with their advanced stats and the eye tests.

I think they should move up to the top 4 and take it from there this year and not throw them to wolves and beat their confidence down, especially Dahlin's.
- GilPerreault11

Without taking into consideration any additional moves apart from the speculated Montour trade this is what my preference would look like.

Dahlin-Miller
McCabe-Joker
Bryson-Risto

Yeah, me too.

And if they moved Joker and Dahlin to the number 1 pairing they would be guys to rip on with their advanced stats and the eye tests.

I think they should move up to the top 4 and take it from there this year and not throw them to wolves and beat their confidence down, especially Dahlin's.
- GilPerreault11

that makes more sense to me...but...

You're moving the goal posts, but a package with one of them, plus Mitts and Samuelson gets a good center

The other one plus next year's first gets a good winger
- jcragcrumple

so one of those poor defensemen, plus an 8th-overall "bust" and a big, anti-analytics defenseman will get the job done?

what was it?...weber, ennis and a 2nd?


i believe one of risto or montour should go...moving both would do more harm than good...that's my hill...

you've got the last word

Without taking into consideration any additional moves apart from the speculated Montour trade this is what my preference would look like.

Dahlin-Miller
McCabe-Joker
Bryson-Risto
- Pegullaville

Not real happy with Dahlin and Miller being the top D. Joker, McCabe and Risto are better than both of them defensively.

so one of those poor defensemen, plus an 8th-overall "bust" and a big, anti-analytics defenseman will get the job done?

what was it?...weber, ennis and a 2nd?


i believe one of risto or montour should go...moving both would do more harm than good...that's my hill...

you've got the last word
- Michael Pachla

I'll take it and run with it. Firstly, I never said montour is garbage, he is not. But we need a center, we do not need Montour. Risto, im done with. Risto plus a 1st would absolutely get you a top-6 RW tho imo.

I'm sick of the status quo. Send them out, roll with this

Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart
Olofsson-center x-winger y
Mojo-Cozens-Kahun
Asplund-Lazar-okposo

Dahlin-Joker
McCabe-Miller
Joe Finley-Borgen

so one of those poor defensemen, plus an 8th-overall "bust" and a big, anti-analytics defenseman will get the job done?

what was it?...weber, ennis and a 2nd?


i believe one of risto or montour should go...moving both would do more harm than good...that's my hill...

you've got the last word
- Michael Pachla

If they both get traded you have

A first overall defensemen in his third season

Another first rounder in his third season

Two veteran middle pairing guys in McCabe and Miller

I think they’d be fine. I’d also advocate for going after someone like David Savard if they moved both. He’d be a one year stop gap vet presence on the right

trading them is fine...but who are you replacing them with?

and..."we've sucked with them so it can't be any worse" doesn't count
- Michael Pachla

Dahlin DeMelo
Dillon Joker
McCabe Miller

Risto or Montour in package for 2C, D Strome
Montour or Risto in Package for RW
Draft Rossi or Holtz

Dahlin DeMelo
Dillon Joker
McCabe Miller

Risto or Montour in package for 2C, D Strome
Montour or Risto in Package for RW
Draft Rossi or Holtz
- IonSabres

Add Jon Merrill as the 7th D, or use him in place of Dillon on the left side.

Not real happy with Dahlin and Miller being the top D. Joker, McCabe and Risto are better than both of them defensively.
- GilPerreault11

Risto is not good defensively. I would heavily shelter the Bryson-Risto pairing and give them majority o-zone starts.

McCabe-Joker would get the more defensive usage.

Dahlin-Miller would get both o-zone and d-zone starts.

I’d play all 3 pairs pretty evenly with Dahlin getting closer to 22-25 minutes a night due to PP usage.

If they both get traded you have

A first overall defensemen in his third season

Another first rounder in his third season

Two veteran middle pairing guys in McCabe and Miller

I think they’d be fine. I’d also advocate for going after someone like David Savard if they moved both. He’d be a one year stop gap vet presence on the right
- sbroads24

brendan dillon
ben hutton
jan ruuta

are three i've pined for

Risto is not good defensively. I would heavily shelter the Bryson-Risto pairing and give them majority o-zone starts.

McCabe-Joker would get the more defensive usage.

Dahlin-Miller would get both o-zone and d-zone starts.

I’d play all 3 pairs pretty evenly with Dahlin getting closer to 22-25 minutes a night due to PP usage.
- Pegullaville

I think optimizing the defense starts with Dahlin. He gets the significant ozone starts.

I also can't imagine Risto actually being used in a third pair roll here, where he's not getting key offensive or defensive starts.

Back to 89's comment about Monte as a trade option with Wings, Lighning, or Calgary.

I just don't see what would be reasonable and attractive from the Wings. I don't see them moving any of Larkin, Mantha nor Bertuzzi. Zadina maybe, but in an adjustment to the NA game year he posted 0.50ppg tells me he is part of the future as well.

.
- IonSabres

Montour plus for Rasmussen

I think optimizing the defense starts with Dahlin. He gets the significant ozone starts.

I also can't imagine Risto actually being used in a third pair roll here, where he's not getting key offensive or defensive starts.
- Lunaion

I don’t look at it as first pair, second pair, third pair.

Like I mentioned in my previous post I would give them all similar minutes at even strength.

I would just use the Risto pairing in more offensive situations and the McCabe pairing in more defensive situations

Still can't believe homie said DeBrincat is a 3rd liner he would be with jack the day we trade for him ..
- gerbe75pts

he is not playing with kane

he is not playing with toews



he got less then 14 minutes


hence third line

brendan dillon
ben hutton
jan ruuta

are three i've pined for
- Michael Pachla

shoot high
aim low

shoot high
aim low



- homiedclown

i always defended "suckera" as a player who could move the puck out of the zone...not that i'd want him back, just sayin'

i always defended "suckera" as a player who could move the puck out of the zone...not that i'd want him back, just sayin'
- Michael Pachla

after one of his benching in 2011, he came back like a bull in a china shop

got one of the nhl 3 stars for the week

might have been the best week I have ever watched a sabres d man play

brendan dillon
ben hutton
jan ruuta

are three i've pined for
- Michael Pachla

Ruuta is very intriguing, he's been solid, him and DeMelo would be good additions and probably wouldn't break the bank

Montour plus for Rasmussen
- homiedclown

Didn't he have a bad back injury.

New England has players opting out left and right, now LaCosse

Didn't he have a bad back injury.
- Buff36

he came back from it and played well in ahl as a center