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Jul 28 @ 12:30 AM ET
My guess is experience goes for game 1, then changes based on performance (and injury). By the end of their long run, the youth will make their mark. - 1970vintage
That's my suspicion as well.
I think one of Sutter/LE, Motte, ZacMac are scratches until injuries occur.
Jake also has 6 game winning goals this season. What am I missing that makes Motte a much better option on the 4th line? Face offs?
For a team that needs all four lines to contribute to be successful, they’ll need scoring from their 4th line. They won’t be able to load up on their first line and hope for the best.
One NHL exec and I have been joking with each other about how many players were reported to have shown up in great shape or looked dynamite in practices/scrimmages. Everyone’s excited to be back (even reporters), so enthusiasm reigns. That’s not a bad thing after months of crappy news. But if there was one player who seemed to particularly benefit from a rest, the name I heard a bit more than others was Vancouver’s Quinn Hughes.
Jake also has 6 game winning goals this season. What am I missing that makes Motte a much better option on the 4th line? Face offs?
For a team that needs all four lines to contribute to be successful, they’ll need scoring from their 4th line. They won’t be able to load up on their first line and hope for the best. - bloatedmosquito
Jake brings more offense for sure, not doubting that, but his lackadaisical attitude, poor camp showing, and defensive brain farts are more costly in a small series. Motte is much better defensive player, better forechecker, energy guy, and is one of the best PKers on the team.
Someone said it earlier, if JV could PK he'd be a constant in the lineup. He's too one dimensional to play on a line that is mainly used in their defensive zone.
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee Joined: 10.22.2011
Jul 28 @ 9:50 AM ET
Jake brings more offense for sure, not doubting that, but his lackadaisical attitude, poor camp showing, and defensive brain farts are more costly in a small series. Motte is much better defensive player, better forechecker, energy guy, and is one of the best PKers on the team.
Someone said it earlier, if JV could PK he'd be a constant in the lineup. He's too one dimensional to play on a line that is mainly used in their defensive zone. - NewYorkNuck
I’m not one for advance stats but if you do believe in them, the statement about JV being poor on the PK is just not true.
If you look at CF% (Corsi For % Short-Handed), above 50% means the team was controlling the puck more often than not with this player on the ice in this situation.
Percentage over the last 3 years for these players are:
JV -37.5%
TM - 12.7%
Again, statistically speaking, JV is a much better player short handed.
I’m not one for advance stats but if you do believe in them, the statement about JV being poor on the PK is just not true.
If you look at CF% (Corsi For % Short-Handed), above 50% means the team was controlling the puck more often than not with this player on the ice in this situation.
Percentage over the last 3 years for these players are:
JV -37.5%
TM - 12.7%
Again, statistically speaking, JV is a much better player short handed. - bloatedmosquito
If JV is such a good PKer, how come he's never out there? His average SH TOI this year was 0:02. Tyler Motte's was 2:00.
Edit: add to that JV started his ozone and dzone starts about 50/50. Motte was about 80 dzone starts this year, leading one to believe he's more trusted in his own zone.
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Jul 28 @ 10:03 AM ET
If JV is such a good PKer, how come he's never out there? His average SH TOI this year was 0:02. Tyler Motte's was 2:00. - NewYorkNuck
Agreed. I wonder how much of our perception is based on a player being in a coach’s doghouse? Before this season JV did kill penalties and was pretty good at it. But for some reason TG has lost faith in him.
You’re correct when you said that JVs attitude is affecting people’s perception of his playing ability including the coach.
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Jul 28 @ 10:23 AM ET
Agreed. I wonder how much of our perception is based on a player being in a coach’s doghouse? Before this season JV did kill penalties and was pretty good at it. But for some reason TG has lost faith in him.
You’re correct when you said that JVs attitude is affecting people’s perception of his playing ability including the coach. - bloatedmosquito
Once you are in the coaches doghouse it's tough to get out.
Ask Cody Hodgson.
Maybe JV's Dad could call Canucks offices and work something out?
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee Joined: 10.22.2011
Jul 28 @ 10:28 AM ET
Once you are in the coaches doghouse it's tough to get out.
Ask Cody Hodgson.
Maybe JV's Dad could call Canucks offices and work something out?
lol - LordHumungous
I can’t remember the circumstances around Cody’s dad. I’m from the Eric Lindros’ father era of meddling. That might have been the mother of all meddling.
I can’t remember the circumstances around Cody’s dad. I’m from the Eric Lindros’ father era of meddling. That might have been the mother of all meddling. - bloatedmosquito
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Jul 28 @ 10:51 AM ET
Wasn't it both mom & dad with Lindros? - Marwood
Yeah, I think you’re right. Listening to Bobby Clarke, you’d think those two were the worst people on earth. And Lindros’ patents accused the Flyers organization of trying to kill their son.
Yeah, I think you’re right. Listening to Bobby Clarke, you’d think those two were the worst people on earth. And Lindros’ patents accused the Flyers organization of trying to kill their son.
What a mess. - bloatedmosquito
Well, no one has f*cked over their child more than Jack Johnson's parents. Pure evil.
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Jul 28 @ 11:08 AM ET
From Friedman - NewYorkNuck
that totally makes sense.
the knock on ncaa players has been that they start off great but get worn down in the latter quarter of the season as they are not physically able to handle the gruelling schedule. going from a 40ish game season with games on weekends to the nhl is a big jump. add in the increased physical factor and it's easy to see why college players would need a transition to handle the increased work-load.
not that there are bright linings in this pandemic but if there are, QH getting a mental and physical breather is one of them.
i think he's poised to be peak rookie form during the playoffs. eff ya.
the knock on ncaa players has been that they start off great but get worn down in the latter quarter of the season as they are not physically able to handle the gruelling schedule. going from a 40ish game season with games on weekends to the nhl is a big jump. add in the increased physical factor and it's easy to see why college players would need a transition to handle the increased work-load.
not that there are bright linings in this pandemic but if there are, QH getting a mental and physical breather is one of them.
i think he's poised to be peak rookie form during the playoffs. eff ya. - RealityChecker
From reading what he said he's bulked up a little more as well. The plus side to having a young team: they grow a lot coming out of a break. You need that down time to absorb information and have your body rest. Maybe this thingy breaks well for the Canucks.
