As I posted earlier, the Hospital for Sick Children wants kids back in school (with caveats, of course):

https://www.sickkids.ca/A...id19-school-guidance.html
- Atomic Wedgie

We only listen to experts when they agree with us.

Any expert who doesn't agree either isn't an expert, or is being paid to not agree.

Try to keep up.

This.

Paul Krugman has been all over this: it's a false choice between growing the economy and lowering COVID infection rates.
- Atomic Wedgie

its easy to see an understand. Even here in Ontario, things look pretty good.
My wife and I are still behaving like we did in April.

In think rest generally helps skilled teams. I think "play-off" hockey difference in some ways reflects the fact that skilled guys are worn down and its easier to just generally slow them down. I also think it takes a bit longer to get defensive schemes worked out at the start of a season. We'll see if that applies here.
- Canada Cup

In theory, you're right... October hockey is usually not very defensively sound hockey.. With that said, this is the playoffs now and playoff teams will play with more intensity. It's not like it's game 1 of an 82 game regular season.

He ignored the advice of experts in taking precautions to minimize the risk of infection.

While I take no comfort in his death, you can't 100% absolve him. He knew the risks and chose to ignore them.

Seat belts. Life jackets. Quitting smoking. Not drinking and driving. Wearing a helmet.

Add masks and social distancing to that list.
- Atomic Wedgie

ok I get it.
all people dying of covid19 are at least partially responsible themselves, right?

in June WHO recommendations on masks wasn't clear at all - and in many places governments still today do not recommend / oblige the use.
In addition, 95% of people (myself included) do not use the masks properly (in particular removing the mask and putting it on) so apart from a limited protection, still a very grey area.

masks aren't even meant to protect the wearer from getting the disease - the only thing you can mention is that he was anti-social for not wearing the mask to protect others - but definitely not accuse him of being responsible for his own death by not wearing a mask.

its easy to see an understand. Even here in Ontario, things look pretty good.
My wife and I are still behaving like we did in April.
- senstroll

Yeah. Same here.

it's quite false and vile to assume and project that somehow a mortal victim of an infectious disease is responsible himself for his own death.

in addition, it is a good indication of your ignorance on this subject.

(seems you get joy out of this guy dying, just because he was a trump ally??)
- MaximusAurelius

he should have used hydroxychloroquine

https://twitter.com/THEHe...tatus/1241844866004316161

it works

contrary to a non-living victim ...like a sock or shoe or something?
- The Law

last time i checked a victim can be injured (/ill) and not necessarily be dead to be called a victim..?

he should have used hydroxychloroquine

https://twitter.com/THEHe...tatus/1241844866004316161

it works
- senstroll

several governments were scrambling to do 'something' - and it's quite sad to see how money is pissed away on very mediocre ideas. (e.g. subpar vaccine candidates like the Oxford covid vaccine candidate)

US is probably only one of few countries in the world where there is proper scientific know how 'in-house' at government (NIH-NIAID). and even there, without proper data and no long-term history of Covid, it's virtually impossible to properly steer those in charge (president etc.)

people tend to forget timelines and it's easy to go back and to now say 'what a stupid view'. (i remember some of you guys on here at the time rambling on about hydrochloroquine and chloroquine as wonder cures etc.).

We only listen to experts when they agree with us.

Any expert who doesn't agree either isn't an expert, or is being paid to not agree.

Try to keep up.
- Leafs43

I wasn’t disagreeing with him or Sick Kids. I was talking about the US. Let’s see what the government says on schools. I hope they’re serious and true to the science. Their approach to courts was not.

ok I get it.
all people dying of covid19 are at least partially responsible themselves, right?

in June WHO recommendations on masks wasn't clear at all - and in many places governments still today do not recommend / oblige the use.
In addition, 95% of people (myself included) do not use the masks properly (in particular removing the mask and putting it on) so apart from a limited protection, still a very grey area.

masks aren't even meant to protect the wearer from getting the disease - the only thing you can mention is that he was anti-social for not wearing the mask to protect others - but definitely not accuse him of being responsible for his own death by not wearing a mask.
- MaximusAurelius

He is being accused of not being responsible by going to a rally wear masks were not being worn.

He signed a waiver saying that he would not sue the Trump campaign if he contracted the virus because THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN KNEW IT WAS DANGEROUS.

The Tulsa Department of Health advised that the rally be postponed because THEY KNEW IT WAS DANGEROUS.

The arena put notices in every other seat advising people not to sit there to try to creat some degree of social distancing. Trump aides removed the notices so it would look better on t.v. (All caps didn’t really fit)

It’s horrible that anyone, including Herman Cain, dies of this. He was a millionaire and presumably a smart man. He disregarded the dangers and it cost him his life.

Sorry for yelling

He is being accused of not being responsible by going to a rally wear masks were not being worn.

He signed a waiver saying that he would not sue the Trump campaign if he contracted the virus because THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN KNEW IT WAS DANGEROUS.

The Tulsa Department of Health advised that the rally be postponed because THEY KNEW IT WAS DANGEROUS.

The arena put notices in every other seat advising people not to sit there to try to creat some degree of social distancing. Trump aides removed the notices so it would look better on t.v. (All caps didn’t really fit)

It’s horrible that anyone, including Herman Cain, dies of this. He was a millionaire and presumably a smart man. He disregarded the dangers and it cost him his life.

Sorry for yelling
- Canada Cup

i cant help but think, if he just followed basic medical advice he would still be alive right now

several governments were scrambling to do 'something' - and it's quite sad to see how money is pissed away on very mediocre ideas. (e.g. subpar vaccine candidates like the Oxford covid vaccine candidate)

US is probably only one of few countries in the world where there is proper scientific know how 'in-house' at government (NIH-NIAID). and even there, without proper data and no long-term history of Covid, it's virtually impossible to properly steer those in charge (president etc.)

people tend to forget timelines and it's easy to go back and to now say 'what a stupid view'. (i remember some of you guys on here at the time rambling on about hydrochloroquine and chloroquine as wonder cures etc.).
- MaximusAurelius

don trump and this guy repeatedly tweeting about this drug to me seems like a very dangerous thing to do.

you might even die

last time i checked a victim can be injured (/ill) and not necessarily be dead to be called a victim..?
- MaximusAurelius

mortal = living being.

He is being accused of not being responsible by going to a rally wear masks were not being worn.

He signed a waiver saying that he would not sue the Trump campaign if he contracted the virus because THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN KNEW IT WAS DANGEROUS.

The Tulsa Department of Health advised that the rally be postponed because THEY KNEW IT WAS DANGEROUS.

The arena put notices in every other seat advising people not to sit there to try to creat some degree of social distancing. Trump aides removed the notices so it would look better on t.v. (All caps didn’t really fit)

It’s horrible that anyone, including Herman Cain, dies of this. He was a millionaire and presumably a smart man. He disregarded the dangers and it cost him his life.

Sorry for yelling
- Canada Cup

so how come you weren't as strong-opinioned on this when we had the discussion with Bobby on here?

again, it seems you are getting some joy out of a Trump aide dying from covid.

mortal = living being.
- The Law

lol ok - i guess it's my english.
i mean a mortal victim (as in a victim that died, instead of becoming ill).
how should i say that in a different (better) way in this context?

i cant help but think, if he just followed basic medical advice he would still be alive right now
- senstroll

Someone just wrote that he survived the worst of the Jim Crow south, became a self-made millionaire only to to throw his life away to win the praise of a racist.

I really can’t think of anything sadder for anyone of any party.

so how come you weren't as strong-opinioned on this when we had the discussion with Bobby on here?

again, it seems you are getting some joy out of a Trump aide dying from covid.
- MaximusAurelius

You are an bumhole. Show me one place where I express any joy

lol ok - i guess it's my english.
i mean a mortal victim (as in a victim that died, instead of becoming ill).
how should i say that in a different (better) way in this context?
- MaximusAurelius

I know I was just being an ass ...

You are an bumhole. Show me one place where I express any joy
- Canada Cup

a guy died.
you somehow had to comment on him being partially responsible - and the reaction of trump on this ('how will president Zoolander spin this' comment).
the bumhole is you.

so how come you weren't as strong-opinioned on this when we had the discussion with Bobby on here?

again, it seems you are getting some joy out of a Trump aide dying from covid.
- MaximusAurelius

I think you're being overly sensitive about this ...possibly because you're invested in the argument.

CC pointed out the error in Cain's choice ..that's it. And he's 100% accurate. Can went to an large event (bad idea), didn't wear a mask (bad idea), and was surrounded by people not wearing masks (bad idea). None of it was necessary and he had underlying health concerns.

Maybe in his mind the increase in risk was worth it but those same people attending his funeral may, in hindsight, disagree.

don trump and this guy repeatedly tweeting about this drug to me seems like a very dangerous thing to do.

you might even die
- senstroll

honestly i'm not sure people that go to a president for medical advice should be take very seriously, and i don't think they can be protected from themselves.
(it's the USA, where startbucks coffee cups have to have a message 'beverage might be hot' and bleach containers have the text 'do not drink').

a guy died.
you somehow had to comment on him being partially responsible - and the reaction of trump on this ('how will president Zoolander spin this' comment).
the bumhole is you.
- MaximusAurelius

You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority on this ...the whole world is commenting on the same thing.

Nobody wanted him to die but we can reflect on his decision.

a guy died.
you somehow had to comment on him being partially responsible - and the reaction of trump on this ('how will president Zoolander spin this' comment).
the bumhole is you.
- MaximusAurelius

Guys, guys.

We're all bumholes.

Who gives a sh!t who has the moral high ground on a (frank)ing hockey forum.

Guys, guys.

We're all bumholes.

Who gives a sh!t who has the moral high ground on a (frank)ing hockey forum.
- Leafs43

Good point ....

And just so I'm clear we can't wish Covid on any of the blue jackets, right?

Someone just wrote that he survived the worst of the Jim Crow south, became a self-made millionaire only to to throw his life away to win the praise of a racist.

I really can’t think of anything sadder for anyone of any party.
- Canada Cup

now he can rest if peace...up or down ...if you believe in that