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SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 4:33 PM ET
most days I don't even interact with you, but alright. and nah, you might want to look up the meaning of aggressive.

also, i thought you said the same guy has made racist remarks to you on more than one occasion. not just one night.

- Ftown19125

My story is the exact meaning of aggressive.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 4:33 PM ET
Cool man. Super objective from the guy that is asking everyone to be more objective in this thread.
- mickel25

Ok, this doesn’t make sense but sure.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jul 30 @ 4:36 PM ET
My story is the exact meaning of aggressive.
- SuperSchennBros


yes the story at the bar, i'd agree. me posting a laughing emoji at a comment is not. neither is me disagreeing with you.
sleepy_floyd
Joined: 05.19.2010

Jul 30 @ 4:36 PM ET
So Demon Sperm is not a real thing?
- mickel25


I'm pretty sure he plays for the Penguins...
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jul 30 @ 4:37 PM ET
I don’t want to turn this into a political argument or a racist one. What I’m saying is, let’s not be ignorant. Southern New Jersey, East Pennsylvania is just one small areas compared to the rest of the states. Just because your experience is different, doesn’t mean these things aren’t out there.
- SuperSchennBros


Let's chat then. I've lived in North Jersey, South Jersey, North and South of Philly. I've lived in Darlington, SC in the 70s and 80s. I've lived in Raliegh,North Carolina, South Georgia, where btw, I picked cucumbers with (African Americans and spics) as I was told. I've lived in Florida on both coasts. I've travelled on business all over the country. I'm sure my experience is different than yours. But don't minimize my life experiences and lump all the good people in a group because you have a bad time in a bar near Detroit. I've seen horrible treatment of people. But I've also seen amazing acts of kindness and grace. Far more than bad and evil.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 4:37 PM ET
yes the story at the bar, i'd agree. me posting a laughing emoji at a comment is not. neither is me disagreeing with you.
- Ftown19125

And what are you disagreeing with? Oh, you don’t know any racist people in your area, so it can’t exist?
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Jul 30 @ 4:39 PM ET
Story time...

So about three weeks prior to Covid I walk into my local bar and I get served by my usual waitress, who is a very attractive woman. I’m on one end of the bar and on the other end is her husband who notices me. He flags me over. At first I told him “I don’t think so” because you have to know who this guy is. Clever and witty guy, late 40’s, does aggressively like to talk politics as a trump supporter but he also likes to have fun at people’s expense. Anyway, I give in and come over.

First things first, he starts off by calling me a Canadian queer. I do yoga, I’ve come along way with my practice with balancing poses and standing on my head. Well he Seek me out on Facebook and he calls me out for posting that kind of thing because I’m looking for attention. He might be right but regardless of why I do, I’m proud of it.

I tell him to settle down because I don’t want things to become like the last time we spoke where he called me a Tribesman. He responds with, “I wouldn’t call you a tribesman. This time I would call you an aboriginal”. At this point his wife the bartender is watching the conversation and saying nothing and the other young bartender is just coming off her shift and clearly doesn’t know what an aboriginal is. The guy went as far as looking up an aboriginal, with a painted face, missing teeth and holding his phone up to my head to compare me to an actual aboriginal. I then say out loud “this is some pretty racist poop”. The young bartender calls me out by saying “he’s not racist, you know him”. Yeah, I know him because he’s my usual server’s husband, it’s not like we hangout. At this time my bartender is shrugging it off with the comment of “It’s not a big deal, I get called things all the time”, when is reality if he were anyone else, he’d get kicked out. Plus I can only imagine how tough this tiny blond with big boobs gets called regularly but it can’t be anywhere near the direction her husband is going in.

Anyway I sit there and finish my beer. Bartender goes back to serving the other side of the bar. Young bartender gets off her shift and leaves. The husband then says while nobody is listening “Well since you already think I’m racist, I might as well say all you n*ggers look the same time me”. I had enough, I get up and walk away and as I’m walking away he calls me a wimp. You have to understand that there are cameras in this bar and the bartender is already defending her husband as if his obnoxious behavior is no big deal. I attack him, it doesn’t workout for me no matter what.

This is only the most recent of racist behavior I’ve experienced of my life back in March.

As for media being what pushes racism, that’s just an idiotic take. Racism is very real. Gun lovers are very real and I’ll defend their right to bear arms at any cost. I know this because I once worked in the sporting goods department in a Walmart that sold guns for hunting and I’ve heard all the conversations. Don’t tell me my experiences aren’t accurate from your bubble in philly unless you’ve lived the same experiences.

Heck, you can’t even have a different take on this board without people getting aggressive. You two are only two examples.

- SuperSchennBros



Sorry, dude. No one should have to deal with that poop.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 30 @ 4:40 PM ET
Bill, or anyone. Will the first series “Play in” games that finish in a tie be decided by 3 on 3 and shootout, or 5 on 5 sudden death. I’m thinking that games going on with extra long overtime’s could cause scheduling problems.
- Djapana


For round-robin, it's regular season rules: 3-on-3 for 5 mins, followed by a shootout.

For best-of-five play-ins, it's normal playoff rules: 5-on-5, play til there's a winner.

If there's a multi-OT game, the start time of the next game will have to be adjusted accordingly.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 4:42 PM ET
Let's chat then. I've lived in North Jersey, South Jersey, North and South of Philly. I've lived in Darlington, SC in the 70s and 80s. I've lived in Raliegh,North Carolina, South Georgia, where btw, I picked cucumbers with (African Americans and spics) as I was told. I've lived in Florida on both coasts. I've travelled on business all over the country. I'm sure my experience is different than yours. But don't minimize my life experiences and lump all the good people in a group because you have a bad time in a bar near Detroit. I've seen horrible treatment of people. But I've also seen amazing acts of kindness and grace. Far more than bad and evil.
- jaws1955


News flash, as a black man, my experience actually carries weight on the subject at hand. Your experiences so far is great. You were friends with the one black family in your small town. Did George Floyd not just happen? Did Rodney King not happen? Did Slavery not happen. How much did any of this impact you directly? Saying you knew a guy of color isn’t the same thing.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jul 30 @ 4:43 PM ET
And what are you disagreeing with? Oh, you don’t know any racist people in your area, so it can’t exist?
- SuperSchennBros


never said either of these things. reading comprehension.
SuperSchennBros
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Jul 30 @ 4:44 PM ET
Sorry, dude. No one should have to deal with that poop.
- BenderRodriguez

Thank you.

I’m not looking for sympathy but thank you, I appreciate it.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 4:45 PM ET
never said either of these things. reading comprehension.
- Ftown19125

No, you’re just telling me my experiences are “inaccurate” because you’ve never seen it in south New Jersey but thanks again for taking another jab as you try to convince me you’re not aggressive.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 30 @ 4:49 PM ET
You said the words “I don’t think most of this is accurate” and both you and claudefather are aggressive towards me on a daily basis. To deny this would be idiotic as well.
- SuperSchennBros


I think he was referring to your generalization to the country overall.

I am Caucasian, but my wife is biracial. My uncle (father's sisters husband) is black, and by far my favorite relative. I lived with them on and off for a couple of years. My first cousin's wife is black and a model. Yeah she is smoking hot. I play rec sports in a northern part of the city, and most of the guys I play with are black dudes.

With the utmost humility and respect, I would like to offer a couple of words from this very limited perspective. Feel free to disregard.


1. There is racism in this country, it is pervasive and everywhere. It is mostly soft, like that woman in Central Park who freaked out when some clearly well-to-do black dude was telling her to leash her dog or something.

2. A lot of very decent white folks don't fully understand it. I emphasize the fact these folks, by and large, are really, really decent people. They truly will wish you well. But they are also wary of being labelled as not understanding something, even if that is true, even if they are inadvertently guilty themselves – because they do want to try and understand.

3. That guy at the bar sounds like a ridiculous jerk. Kudos to you for walking away. I don't think this incident is very representative of anything. Its an outlier.

The thing is, you will have to balance 1 and 2 in this country most of your life. Its a very complicated issue, one most people shy clear off.

Nobody likes a guy who has a perpetual chip on their shoulder, even if it is justified. Not just that, but it will color your own perceptions of society and life, which in turn will introduce negativity, which will restrict your own personal and professional advancement. That feedback loop is something I have seen happen to many people and one needs to just shrug it off, even if it is hard.

Again, I am not being superior or wise. These words are probably superfluous and unnecessary. I mean well for you, that is my sole reason for writing this, and this comes from the heart.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jul 30 @ 4:50 PM ET
No, you’re just telling me my experiences are “inaccurate” because you’ve never seen it in south New Jersey but thanks again for taking another jab as you try to convince me you’re not aggressive.
- SuperSchennBros


everything is aggressive apparently. stop tweaking what people actually are saying in an attempt to make your point more valid.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 4:51 PM ET
everything is aggressive apparently. stop tweaking what people actually are saying in an attempt to make your point more valid.
- Ftown19125

I’m not tweaking anything. Nobody is forcing you to take jabs when you don’t need to. My reading comprehension is fine. It’s up to you to take responsibility for this or not take responsibility.
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jul 30 @ 4:56 PM ET
News flash, as a black man, my experience actually carries weight on the subject at hand. Your experiences so far is great. You were friends with the one black family in your small town. Did George Floyd not just happen? Did Rodney King not happen? Did Slavery not happen. How much did any of this impact you directly? Saying you knew a guy of color isn’t the same thing.
- SuperSchennBros

Dude, I've had black friends my whole life. I've worked with black men and women. I've worked FOR black men. I've hired black men and women. I've dated black women. I married a PuertoRican woman. I've lived and worked all over the US. I have a huge wealth if PERSONAL experience seeing AND dealing with racist behavior. It wasn't directed at me but at someone I cared about. I was just the spic lover or N word lover. I've fought people over this. But in all of my travels I have found that this is NOT most people. Our country has come a long way. In a relative short time. It is the brightest hope in the world. You should know. You chose to leave your country to move here.
BTW, I've been stuck in Milton, ON since March. I love this country too. It's safer here than Jersey is. I'm only 45 minutes from the Flyers.😁 let's do that hockey!
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 30 @ 4:57 PM ET
I’m not tweaking anything. Nobody is forcing you to take jabs when you don’t need to. My reading comprehension is fine. It’s up to you to take responsibility for this or not take responsibility.
- SuperSchennBros


Honest question. I am not dismissing you or trying to anger you. What is racism to you? In your own words.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jul 30 @ 4:59 PM ET
I’m not tweaking anything. Nobody is forcing you to take jabs when you don’t need to. My reading comprehension is fine. It’s up to you to take responsibility for this or not take responsibility.
- SuperSchennBros


You have called multiple people on this site dumb and idiots, but you're telling me I'm aggressive? You need a reality check.

Also, your reading comprehension isn't fine. Because I've said multiple times that no one said racism doesn't exist only for you to turn around and say that I'm saying it doesn't. It's laughable.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 4:59 PM ET
I think he was referring to your generalization to the country overall.

I am Caucasian, but my wife is biracial. My uncle (father's sisters husband) is black, and by far my favorite relative. I lived with them on and off for a couple of years. My first cousin's wife is black and a model. Yeah she is smoking hot. I play rec sports in a northern part of the city, and most of the guys I play with are black dudes.

With the utmost humility and respect, I would like to offer a couple of words from this very limited perspective. Feel free to disregard.


1. There is racism in this country, it is pervasive and everywhere. It is mostly soft, like that woman in Central Park who freaked out when some clearly well-to-do black dude was telling her to leash her dog or something.

2. A lot of very decent white folks don't fully understand it. I emphasize the fact these folks, by and large, are really, really decent people. They truly will wish you well. But they are also wary of being labelled as not understanding something, even if that is true, even if they are inadvertently guilty themselves – because they do want to try and understand.

3. That guy at the bar sounds like a ridiculous jerk. Kudos to you for walking away. I don't think this incident is very representative of anything. Its an outlier.

The thing is, you will have to balance 1 and 2 in this country most of your life. Its a very complicated issue, one most people shy clear off.

Nobody likes a guy who has a perpetual chip on their shoulder, even if it is justified. Not just that, but it will color your own perceptions of society and life, which in turn will introduce negativity, which will restrict your own personal and professional advancement. That feedback loop is something I have seen happen to many people and one needs to just shrug it off, even if it is hard.

Again, I am not being superior or wise. These words are probably superfluous and unnecessary. I mean well for you, that is my sole reason for writing this, and this comes from the heart.

- PT21

To deny racism doesn't exist or media motivated is simply idiotic. I am a black man and I've had my fair share of white people (not all white people) come at me aggressive with with their racist views, simple because I was in their presence and simple because I look different. Some elders just let things slip because they’re old fashion and you can’t teach and old dog new tricks. Being called a Tribesman, aboriginals or a N*gger unprovoked within a span of 20 minutes because I'm black is racist. With this said, being black has never held me back from my own person successes. We all have the ability no matter what color you are to make the right or wrong choices. You commit a crime you go to jail. You sell drugs you go to jail. You kill someone you go to jail, no matter what color you are. I think we're at a point that maybe we should check ourselves. We've had a black present. Black congressmen. Black chief of police here in Michigan. The list goes on. No matter what you look like, if you choose to dress like a business man, you're gonna come off a lot less intimidating as someone who chooses to dress like someone who prefers to wear a tank top to show off their tattoos. I'm not saying it's wrong to dress this way, I'm saying you're less likely to draw unwanted attention. Now you may look a certain way people don't like which is unavoidable, so the key is how you talk to people and god forbid, put yourself in a situation that gets you in trouble by actually doing something wrong. Do I believe in racial profile? I absolutely! But I also believe in Consequences for your actions. Robbing stores, assaulting someone. Don't do this!

Not at all am I saying that black people cannot be racist against white people, that’s ridiculous of course they can. What I’m saying is there is a history of oppression and pain that goes back decades against black people that has still carried over even to this day. There is no “Just get over it” until active change has been made.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 5:01 PM ET
You have called multiple people on this site dumb and idiots, but you're telling me I'm aggressive? You need a reality check.

Also, your reading comprehension isn't fine. Because I've said multiple times that no one said racism doesn't exist only for you to turn around and say that I'm saying it doesn't. It's laughable.

- Ftown19125

I have called people on here dumb and idiotic. Something I’m willingly and able to admit. Yes. Mostly because those people (You) come at me first. Who cares if I’m a Brayden Schenn fan or if I think Kevin Hayes is overpaid and overrated. Does that really hurt you? Does this really ruin your day?

You are aggressive and you can’t admit it. That’s the difference between you and me.
countreeman28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.10.2007

Jul 30 @ 5:04 PM ET
Let's go, Flyers!







Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jul 30 @ 5:08 PM ET
I have called people on here dumb and idiotic. Something I’m willingly and able to admit. Yes. Mostly because those people (You) come at me first. Who cares if I’m a Brayden Schenn fan or if I think Kevin Hayes is overpaid and overrated. Does that really hurt you? Does this really ruin your day?

You are aggressive and you can’t admit it. That’s the difference between you and me.

- SuperSchennBros


You're as fragile as they come if me defending/liking Hayes means I'm aggressive.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 5:11 PM ET
You're as fragile as they come if me defending/liking Hayes means I'm aggressive.
- Ftown19125

No. Attacking my every post because you believe you’re standing up for the greater good is aggressive.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 30 @ 5:11 PM ET
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 30 @ 5:15 PM ET
No. Attacking my every post because you believe you’re standing up for the greater good is aggressive.
- SuperSchennBros


Have you ever thought to just ignore the responses? I get today's thread is more robust than the standard Schenn discussions. So maybe not applicable to today.

I just think a lot of folks know they will get a rise out of you so they keep egging you on.
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