2019.
6 pts, 7 games, -3

That is what a 70 pt. pace, against the Bruins second line. Can you even name who is pn their second line?

Is that production worthy of the most player-friendly contract in the league?
- Aetherial

Also had 5 goals...

They should’ve traded Ellis instead of the young, highly talented player they drafted 4th overall a few years earlier.



wait...
- Steven_Seagull

point taken

I am pretty sure Ellis wasn't getting you Johansen at the time. Johansen was, for a while, considered one of the best young centers in the league.

Also had 5 goals...
- Steven_Seagull

So, does he make the players around him better?

Second line competition, 70 pt. pace for that kind of money walking him right to UFA.

point taken

I am pretty sure Ellis wasn't getting you Johansen at the time. Johansen was, for a while, considered one of the best young centers in the league.
- Aetherial

I can’t believe he scored over 30 once. Dafuq happened?

Actually, yes; or at least not hard enough.

So can you. I pointed it out during the game. There was a huge difference watching the two teams battle last night. The compete level is not even close.

A pep talk by Torts means nothing if the team won't listen and buy in.
- Aetherial

Hockey analysis is easy. I was more upset by defencemen who were slow making decisions when they were going back to get the puck. That gave more time to forecheckers. I don’t think Ceci can try harder to think faster but it’s a problem.

I thought Marner looked lost. I don’t know if that’s because he wasn’t interested or wasn’t trying. If he’s lost, that line is in trouble.

There’s a bunch of players who have to play better. Maybe it’s as simple as trying harder to be better. I’ll never know because I can’t operate at that level. Only Max can.

2019.
6 pts, 7 games, -3

That is what a 70 pt. pace, against the Bruins second line. Can you even name who is pn their second line?

Is that production worthy of the most player-friendly contract in the league?
- Aetherial

(frank) off with the -3 statistic. As if +/- is ever a useful stat.

5 goals against a ferocious Bruins lineup is pretty damn good. Call me Krejci, but I can't remember who was on the Bruins second line two playoffs ago, but so what? He scored 5 goals which would be on pace for close to 60g in the regular season.

So, does he make the players around him better?

Second line competition, 70 pt. pace for that kind of money walking him right to UFA.
- Aetherial

58 goal pace, not bad.

(frank) off with the -3 statistic. As if +/- is ever a useful stat.

5 goals against a ferocious Bruins lineup is pretty damn good. Call me Krejci, but I can't remember who was on the Bruins second line two playoffs ago, but so what? He scored 5 goals which would be on pace for close to 60g in the regular season.
- mjones242

This is a pun free zone. Please leave

Hull for Ramage and Wamsley - Flames won cup .. But Hull scored about a trillion goals for the Blues... Nah that one sucked also.
- dozerD10

Your Bolts went to the intermission a couple minutes early.

I can’t believe he scored over 30 once. Dafuq happened?
- Steven_Seagull

I dunno bird. He seemed to come out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly. I imagine Poile is pretty pissed

Hockey analysis is easy. I was more upset by defencemen who were slow making decisions when they were going back to get the puck. That gave more time to forecheckers. I don’t think Ceci can try harder to think faster but it’s a problem.

I thought Marner looked lost. I don’t know if that’s because he wasn’t interested or wasn’t trying. If he’s lost, that line is in trouble.

There’s a bunch of players who have to play better. Maybe it’s as simple as trying harder to be better. I’ll never know because I can’t operate at that level. Only Max can.
- Canada Cup

Maybe he can recommend some books that conform with his views.

(frank) off with the -3 statistic. As if +/- is ever a useful stat.

5 goals against a ferocious Bruins lineup is pretty damn good. Call me Krejci, but I can't remember who was on the Bruins second line two playoffs ago, but so what? He scored 5 goals which would be on pace for close to 60g in the regular season.
- mjones242

You have a good night.

Go Habs Go.

I dunno bird. He seemed to come out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly. I imagine Poile is pretty pissed
- Aetherial

They should have traded Jones for Nylander. That hair, with that jersey?

Your Bolts went to the intermission a couple minutes early.
- Atomic Wedgie

Tough to tell anything from these round robin games. They are essentially pre-season games.

They should have traded Jones for Nylander. That hair, with that jersey?
- Steven_Seagull

The Jersey is so bad, it is lovable

(frank) off with the -3 statistic. As if +/- is ever a useful stat.

5 goals against a ferocious Bruins lineup is pretty damn good. Call me Krejci, but I can't remember who was on the Bruins second line two playoffs ago, but so what? He scored 5 goals which would be on pace for close to 60g in the regular season.
- mjones242

I happen to like +/-

Call me the anti-Tanner, but I find it funny that counting goals for and against is a terrible statistic, but counting shots for and against, and even shots attempted for and against ate "advanced statistics."

How can shots for and against be a better indicator of goals for and against than goals for and against?

Tough to tell anything from these round robin games. They are essentially pre-season games.
- Aetherial

Bruins are intentionally tanking in hopes of meeting Leafs.

I happen to like +/-

Call me the anti-Tanner, but I find it funny that counting goals for and against is a terrible statistic, but counting shots for and against, and even shots attempted for and against ate "advanced statistics."

How can shots for and against be a better indicator of goals for and against than goals for and against?
- Atomic Wedgie

I see the flaws in the stat. I see flaws at least as bad in putting much stock in Corsi or Fenwick or whatever.

At the end of the day, we can all think Matthews was great because he scored 5 goals, playing predominantly against the second line... but he was on the ice for 8 ES goals against, and still only played at a 70 pt. pace. That is not even in the ballpark of what we should expect for that contract.

Leafs fans, just like the Leafs players, are really good at ignoring the fact that there are 2 ends to the ice.

I happen to like +/-

Call me the anti-Tanner, but I find it funny that counting goals for and against is a terrible statistic, but counting shots for and against, and even shots attempted for and against ate "advanced statistics."

How can shots for and against be a better indicator of goals for and against than goals for and against?
- Atomic Wedgie

the uneducated use +/-

the enlightened use goal for/against %.

If we trade Marner were trading the best player in that trade. Plain and simple.
- systemtool

Agreed.
Unless its for seth jones.

But no way cbus does that trade

Agreed.
Unless its for seth jones.

But no way cbus does that trade
- Fakepartofme

I would trade Matthews for Jones.

Probably a bad mistake, but I think Matthews contract is terrifying.

No way in hell Marner fetches Jones.

Bruins are intentionally tanking in hopes of meeting Leafs.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would trade Matthews for Jones.

Probably a bad mistake, but I think Matthews contract is terrifying.

No way in hell Marner fetches Jones.
- Aetherial

Jones brought a much worse forward back in the initial trade.

Your Bolts went to the intermission a couple minutes early.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't even know what that means... I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

I would trade Matthews for Jones.

Probably a bad mistake, but I think Matthews contract is terrifying.

No way in hell Marner fetches Jones.
- Aetherial

Second most goals scored since entering the league...


Marner +24 (regular + Playoffs) vs Matthews +31 (regular + Playoffs)

Matthews > Marner defensively? 🤔