He might if the years are there. [email protected] seems fair
- DrunkenCanuck

I think he thinks he's worth more, but I wouldn't want to give Ceci more than 1.5. I think he's a 5/6 guy who slots up in the lineup if his partner can make up for his general uncertain play. He was really good yesterday. I think he's been good, maybe . . . 3 or 4 times this year? And not or really not most of the rest of the time.

Frankly, they should add Sandin as the 7th d-man and only carry 11 forwards. Double-shift AM34 and/or Snakevares with the 4th line on occasion.
- mjones242

I was going to agree with you, but then I took a look at the ice time from last night for the 4th line:

Spezza played 7:55 - but 2:31 of that was PP time.

Envall played 9:16, but 1:51 of that was PK.

Clifford played 7:36, but he adds an element that nobody else has.

So it kinda looks like Spezza was given a few shifts off - or at least half-shifts - to give the high-paid boys extra ice time.

Let's keep all three of these guys in the lineup.

I think he thinks he's worth more, but I wouldn't want to give Ceci more than 1.5. I think he's a 5/6 guy who slots up in the lineup if his partner can make up for his general uncertain play. He was really good yesterday. I think he's been good, maybe . . . 3 or 4 times this year? And not or really not most of the rest of the time.
- Monkeypunk

I would say no more than Holl.

If Dubas signs him long term it better be a great deal for the leafs.

no one trusts Marincin.

I like Spezza, I think he's been fine in this series. I would go;

Rielly-Ceci
Dermott-Holl
Someone other than Marincin -Barrie

I think Sandin will get hit hard every shift
- PatC80

Ugh. Yeah. I don't know. I think they'd definitely try to intimidate him. It's him or Marincin. I don't think Rosen is the guy.

I mean . . . as far as options go:

Sandin: 5'11, 180; no playoff experience, but still the best d-man available
Marincin: 6'5, 220; is a decent penalty killer. Is also a good play killer.
Rosen: 6'1, 185; not enough NHL experience, but he's ok. Might even be a decent 5/6 guy
Liljegren: 6'0, 190; I don't think he brings enough defensively or offensively or even in size to warrant selection over our other very limited options.
Kivihalme: 6'0, 180; no NHL experience. He's looked good in exhibition against non-NHL competition. I don't even think he's in the bubble, so he's probably even more of a bad option!

Pageau holds Florida player and Florida player gets the penalty.

Resigning Ceci - ahhhhh


1x1 maybe

I was going to agree with you, but then I took a look at the ice time from last night for the 4th line:

Spezza played 7:55 - but 2:31 of that was PP time.

Envall played 9:16, but 1:51 of that was PK.

Clifford played 7:36, but he adds an element that nobody else has.

So it kinda looks like Spezza was given a few shifts off - or at least half-shifts - to give the high-paid boys extra ice time.

Let's keep all three of these guys in the lineup.
- Atomic Wedgie

The hit delivered by Clifford was clean and big and was one of the most important plays of the game IMO. Need a few more. Matthews was a beast, and Jones
got away with several uncalled penalties played well defensively against Matthews.

As much as I'd like to see if Sandin can rise to this occasion (I still trust him more than Marincin for obvious reasons), I don't know if I'd want to change up the forward line chemistry or risk any additional exhaustion. I'm not really sold that Spezza's 5-6 minutes of ice are really going to be missed, but I think the team respects him and values what he brings in the "intangibles" (just from things they've said and the visceral negative reaction to Babcock sitting him in game one of the season).
- Monkeypunk

If Sandin helps with quicker break outs, there's less pressure on the forwards. Who plays the PK if he comes in?

Ugh. Yeah. I don't know. I think they'd definitely try to intimidate him. It's him or Marincin. I don't think Rosen is the guy.

I mean . . . as far as options go:

Sandin: 5'11, 180; no playoff experience, but still the best d-man available
Marincin: 6'5, 220; is a decent penalty killer. Is also a good play killer.
Rosen: 6'1, 185; not enough NHL experience, but he's ok. Might even be a decent 5/6 guy
Liljegren: 6'0, 190; I don't think he brings enough defensively or offensively or even in size to warrant selection over our other very limited options.
Kivihalme: 6'0, 180; no NHL experience. He's looked good in exhibition against non-NHL competition. I don't even think he's in the bubble, so he's probably even more of a bad option!
- Monkeypunk

If it was my call, I'd put in Sandin or Rosen.

I'm one of the few that thinks young players, despite their inexperience, tend to elevate their game quite alot during the playoffs, because the adrenaline is so goddamn high for them.

And out of the bunch, while they bring completely different tool sets, they are the two I think can hold their own vs Columbus.

Marincin is obviously the veteran, simple choice, but I feel is more likely to pull a Gardiner on you guys.

If it was my call, I'd put in Sandin or Rosen.

I'm one of the few that thinks young players, despite their inexperience, tend to elevate their game quite alot during the playoffs, because the adrenaline is so goddamn high for them.

And out of the bunch, while they bring completely different tool sets, they are the two I think can hold their own vs Columbus.

Marincin is obviously the veteran, simple choice, but I feel is more likely to pull a Gardiner on you guys.
- Scabeh

Agree on Sandin, Marincin is a pylon

If it was my call, I'd put in Sandin or Rosen.

I'm one of the few that thinks young players, despite their inexperience, tend to elevate their game quite alot during the playoffs, because the adrenaline is so goddamn high for them.

And out of the bunch, while they bring completely different tool sets, they are the two I think can hold their own vs Columbus.

Marincin is obviously the veteran, simple choice, but I feel is more likely to pull a Gardiner on you guys.
- Scabeh

Would much rather Rosen than marincin.

Marincin should never see nhl ice. Ever.

this is wild

re: explosion yesterday
A bride taking wedding photos as the explosion happens in Beirut.

https://twitter.com/MikeL...tatus/1291014077322534912

Would much rather Rosen than marincin.

Marincin should never see nhl ice. Ever.
- joel878

Leafs will re-sign him for under $1 million per on a two way deal and its a good move. He will be going to Seattle and be an assistant captain.

He might if the years are there. [email protected] seems fair
- DrunkenCanuck

Maybe. But that's 2.5M out of the Leafs budget to bring in a legit Top 4 guy. That's also a lot of term for a marginal, third pairing type d-man.

Who knows though?

Resigning Ceci - ahhhhh


1x1 maybe
- Garnie

even for that I would not like Ceci being back.
there's 20+ free agents available that are better than Ceci.
He's a waste of a roster spot.

I was going to agree with you, but then I took a look at the ice time from last night for the 4th line:

Spezza played 7:55 - but 2:31 of that was PP time.

Envall played 9:16, but 1:51 of that was PK.

Clifford played 7:36, but he adds an element that nobody else has.

So it kinda looks like Spezza was given a few shifts off - or at least half-shifts - to give the high-paid boys extra ice time.

Let's keep all three of these guys in the lineup.
- Atomic Wedgie

Those numbers are consistent with 4th line player ATOI. Why not provide AM34 and/or JT extra shifts centering the 4th? I'd rather have both my #1 and #2 center replacing the 7+min that Spezza and/or Engvall provides.

Platoon Marincin and Sandin. Marty would be heavy on 3rd pair starts and the PK unit while Sandin can get some experience and play some sheltered minutes.

Hyman-AM34-Marner
Willie-Snake-Miki
Robertson/Engvall-Kerfoot-Kap
Clifford-AM34/Snake-Spezza

Rielly-Ceci
Dermott-Holl
Marincin-Barrie
Sandin

Let's go!!!

Would much rather Rosen than marincin.

Marincin should never see nhl ice. Ever.
- joel878

I don't think you're going to find many people outside of his agent and immediate family who would attempt to make an argument in favour of Marincin!

I think Sandin is the best option based on skill. I think Rosen might be a decent option based on the fact that whoever is inserted is likely going to be paired with Barrie. Who has the defensive intelligence to support the way Barrie plays? Sandin may have that intuitively, but I don't know if he has the experience required to support a Barrie. If I recall correctly, they didn't pair well together earlier this year.

dont like agreeing with SS..but this makes sense

steve simmons
@simmonssteve
The betting here is the Leafs will dress seven defencemen for Game 3 against Columbus. They will use Martin Marincin in some situations, especially PK. And they'll use use Rasmus Sandin in offensive situations. Don't know which forward will come out of the lineup.

I don't think you're going to find many people outside of his agent and immediate family who would attempt to make an argument in favour of Marincin!

I think Sandin is the best option based on skill. I think Rosen might be a decent option based on the fact that whoever is inserted is likely going to be paired with Barrie. Who has the defensive intelligence to support the way Barrie plays? Sandin may have that intuitively, but I don't know if he has the experience required to support a Barrie. If I recall correctly, they didn't pair well together earlier this year.
- Monkeypunk

Sandin isn't capable of handling PK mins which is what Marty brings to the table (even if marginally). Which is why I think they should play with 7 d-men -- use both Sandin/Marincin situationally.

EDIT: Steve Simmons reporting what I've been suggesting? (frank) that - I can't handle agreeing with that (frank).

Laugh dammit

https://twitter.com/rexch...tatus/1290874847518765056

Sandin isn't capable of handling PK mins which is what Marty brings to the table (even if marginally). Which is why I think they should play with 7 d-men -- use both Sandin/Marincin situationally.
- mjones242

So you are Steve Simmons

Sandin isn't capable of handling PK mins which is what Marty brings to the table (even if marginally). Which is why I think they should play with 7 d-men -- use both Sandin/Marincin situationally.
- mjones242

I've said this a while back.

I cannot recall a team winning the stanley cup (or at least having a successful playoffs run) using 7 defensemen.

Now that's not saying it cannot work.

Just that I don't think it has ever worked before!

Ugh. Yeah. I don't know. I think they'd definitely try to intimidate him. It's him or Marincin. I don't think Rosen is the guy.

I mean . . . as far as options go:

Sandin: 5'11, 180; no playoff experience, but still the best d-man available
Marincin: 6'5, 220; is a decent penalty killer. Is also a good play killer.
Rosen: 6'1, 185; not enough NHL experience, but he's ok. Might even be a decent 5/6 guy
Liljegren: 6'0, 190; I don't think he brings enough defensively or offensively or even in size to warrant selection over our other very limited options.
Kivihalme: 6'0, 180; no NHL experience. He's looked good in exhibition against non-NHL competition. I don't even think he's in the bubble, so he's probably even more of a bad option!
- Monkeypunk

I think the Leafs have to go with whoever fits the style of play they want to go with this series.

Marincin is a player that fits into the exact style CBJ would love...a boring player that kills plays when he is on the ice...O and on D.

No to Marincin although I think he is a useful player.

I know, I just don't trust Marincin.

Yeah he's done for this series. Even if the injury is not as serious, he was outside the bubble when he went to the hospital, so he has to self-quarantine again
- PatC80

Yes but only for 4 days instead of the obligatory 14. He has to test negative for 4 days straight.

The 7 d makes sense....If it doesn't work you lose 7-8 mins of Engvall.

No big deal, Marty for PK and Sandin to keep up with the Leafs pace would be nice.