Ugh. Yeah. I don't know. I think they'd definitely try to intimidate him. It's him or Marincin. I don't think Rosen is the guy.

I mean . . . as far as options go:

Sandin: 5'11, 180; no playoff experience, but still the best d-man available
Marincin: 6'5, 220; is a decent penalty killer. Is also a good play killer.
Rosen: 6'1, 185; not enough NHL experience, but he's ok. Might even be a decent 5/6 guy
Liljegren: 6'0, 190; I don't think he brings enough defensively or offensively or even in size to warrant selection over our other very limited options.
Kivihalme: 6'0, 180; no NHL experience. He's looked good in exhibition against non-NHL competition. I don't even think he's in the bubble, so he's probably even more of a bad option!
- Monkeypunk

Yes, but Rosen is tough and he hits... Sometimes hard.

And

I would re-sign Ceci....to a 3 year 1.75 million deal.

or 1 year 2 million.

Like it or not he is a legit 5-6 D. He just kills a bit more Offence than I would like.

Also Dermott has been given his chances...He needs to prove he can hang in there in the top 4.

Against the 28th Offence in the league, he should do fine.

And

I would re-sign Ceci....to a 3 year 1.75 million deal.

or 1 year 2 million.

Like it or not he is a legit 5-6 D. He just kills a bit more Offence than I would like.
- Santo_44

Assuming the Leafs want to spend a couple of bucks and/or trade to add a new partner for Rielly then I think even 1.75 is rich for the Leafs the bottom pairing. I think that bottom pair has to be guys at less than a Milly for the next couple of years. Sandin and Lehtonen or whomever.

Assuming the Leafs want to spend a couple of bucks and/or trade to add a new partner for Rielly then I think even 1.75 is rich for the Leafs the bottom pairing. I think that bottom pair has to be guys at less than a Milly for the next couple of years. Sandin and Lehtonen or whomever.
- The Law

I think this offseason is going to be a wild one.

Lots of guys out there looking for contracts, and not a lot of offers.

I'm confident we can get someone better than Ceci for a reasonable price.

I've said this a while back.

I cannot recall a team winning the stanley cup (or at least having a successful playoffs run) using 7 defensemen.

Now that's not saying it cannot work.

Just that I don't think it has ever worked before!
- Scabeh

I may be the outlier here, but I don't like it.

Defenseman need to be afforded the opportunity to find consistency in their partner, especially during playoffs when the game happens faster and they need to rely on reactionary plays more so than during the regular season.

Sandin to raw, marincin to poop. Just put Rosen on the bottom pair with Barrie.

Throw the defenseman into disarray along with altering forward lines out of this isn't a good move IMO.

I may be the outlier here, but I don't like it.

Defenseman need to be afforded the opportunity to find consistency in their partner, especially during playoffs when the game happens faster and they need to rely on reactionary plays more so than during the regular season.

Sandin to raw, marincin to poop. Just put Rosen on the bottom pair with Barrie.

Throw the defenseman into disarray along with altering forward lines out of this isn't a good move IMO.
- joel878

I agree.

Assuming the Leafs want to spend a couple of bucks and/or trade to add a new partner for Rielly then I think even 1.75 is rich for the Leafs the bottom pairing. I think that bottom pair has to be guys at less than a Milly for the next couple of years. Sandin and Lehtonen or whomever.
- The Law

We got

5M-?
5.5M-2M
950K-?
950K

Assuming there are no additions above 1 M on forward. You trade off AJ and insert Robinson it leaves you with like 3 million? Trade Kerfoot and you are at 6ish million.

It'll be interesting to see if Dubas is willing to weaken that forward depth to really improve the D.

I think this offseason is going to be a wild one.

Lots of guys out there looking for contracts, and not a lot of offers.

I'm confident we can get someone better than Ceci for a reasonable price.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya total unknown for me. What's hockey even look like in December? Are we in bubbles?

I've said this a while back.

I cannot recall a team winning the stanley cup (or at least having a successful playoffs run) using 7 defensemen.

Now that's not saying it cannot work.

Just that I don't think it has ever worked before!
- Scabeh

Not sure, not easy to verify this. If I recall correctly, the 2015-16 Pens used 7 d-men for most of the playoffs, I could be wrong.

I think this offseason is going to be a wild one.

Lots of guys out there looking for contracts, and not a lot of offers.

I'm confident we can get someone better than Ceci for a reasonable price.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think some decent forwards will sign here to play on the bottom 6 and fill out the 2PP.

Thornton, Galchenyuk, Frolik, Namestikov, Wilson.

Boyle? He can play 3C for cheap.

If it was my call, I'd put in Sandin or Rosen.

I'm one of the few that thinks young players, despite their inexperience, tend to elevate their game quite alot during the playoffs, because the adrenaline is so goddamn high for them.

And out of the bunch, while they bring completely different tool sets, they are the two I think can hold their own vs Columbus.

Marincin is obviously the veteran, simple choice, but I feel is more likely to pull a Gardiner on you guys.
- Scabeh

I can't say I disagree. I see the recent argument in favour of 7D as well. I suppose it's the punishment for having too many offensive D who can't PK well. I don' t know. I get caught in an old school Star Trek "does not compute" loop.

If you only put Marincin out on the PK, and you have 2 penalties a game, he's going to be cold and ineffective anyway. Would Sandin or Rosen not be just as effective on the PK if they could take a regular turn as the 6th D at 5 on 5 and be more mobile?

Or you have to play Marincin periodically at 5 on 5 which is a terrible idea.

Then again, Cody Ceci just played a good game of hockey, so anything can happen.

Ya total unknown for me. What's hockey even look like in December? Are we in bubbles?
- The Law

I dunno, this crap should run it's course by then, but those Americans won't let it.

I think this offseason is going to be a wild one.

Lots of guys out there looking for contracts, and not a lot of offers.

I'm confident we can get someone better than Ceci for a reasonable price.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agree, and lots of teams suffering financially.

I can't say I disagree. I see the recent argument in favour of 7D as well. I suppose it's the punishment for having too many offensive D who can't PK well. I don' t know. I get caught in an old school Star Trek "does not compute" loop.

If you only put Marincin out on the PK, and you have 2 penalties a game, he's going to be cold and ineffective anyway. Would Sandin or Rosen not be just as effective on the PK if they could take a regular turn as the 6th D at 5 on 5 and be more mobile?

Or you have to play Marincin periodically at 5 on 5 which is a terrible idea.

Then again, Cody Ceci just played a good game of hockey, so anything can happen.
- Monkeypunk

I don't really even buy into the notion that he's a good penalty killer. He's a big plug who occasionally gets accidentally hit by the puck.

We got

5M-?
5.5M-2M
950K-?
950K

Assuming there are no additions above 1 M on forward. You trade off AJ and insert Robinson it leaves you with like 3 million? Trade Kerfoot and you are at 6ish million.

It'll be interesting to see if Dubas is willing to weaken that forward depth to really improve the D.
- Santo_44

My guess (assuming next season is some shortened weird Covid season) is that he either ..

a) keeps the band together by letting Barrie and Ceci walk and re-signing Dermott and Mikky to 1 year deals, or
b) he moves Dermott and one of Kapanen/Johnsson for an upgrade on the right side. ** I guess in this scenario he could also trade those guys for futures and sign a UFA with the Cap space.

Under either scenario he can still look to add at the deadline when the cap hit is minimal.

Reilly-New Guy (~3.5ish)
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lehtonen

I don't really even buy into the notion that he's a good penalty killer. He's a big plug who occasionally gets accidentally hit by the puck.
- joel878

Ceci does what a lot of CBJ players do very well...Lul the other team and kill plays offensively and defensively.

Ya total unknown for me. What's hockey even look like in December? Are we in bubbles?
- The Law

Hell, I don't even know what my daughters' hockey looks like.

I can't see the province allowing spectators until there is a vaccine.

Players won't agree to a bubble for regular season (nor should they), so you'll see team breakouts from time to time, and delayed games.

In short, it's going to be a poopshow.

My guess (assuming next season is some shortened weird Covid season) is that he either ..

a) keeps the band together by letting Barrie and Ceci walk and re-signing Dermott and Mikky to 1 year deals, or
b) he moves Dermott and one of Kapanen/Johnsson for an upgrade on the right side. ** I guess in this scenario he could also trade those guys for futures and sign a UFA with the Cap space.

Under either scenario he can still look to add at the deadline when the cap hit is minimal.

Reilly-New Guy (~3.5ish)
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lehtonen
- The Law

If Brodie wanted to sign here I think that is Dubas's guy.

I don't really even buy into the notion that he's a good penalty killer. He's a big plug who occasionally gets accidentally hit by the puck.
- joel878

I was actually going to dovetail a similar comment in my comments - from my recollection his real strength is being long and having a long stick and being decent and blocking passes out from behind the net. He's not overly mobile. He's not overly smart. He's not adept with the puck, certainly not where he makes quick and effective bumper passes to the open guy for the clear. But I am spouting the reputation he has. Someone with more data than me and my wonky eyes has to know something!

I don't really even buy into the notion that he's a good penalty killer. He's a big plug who occasionally gets accidentally hit by the puck.
- joel878

Something, something, long stick

Hell, I don't even know what my daughters' hockey looks like.

I can't see the province allowing spectators until there is a vaccine.

Players won't agree to a bubble for regular season (nor should they), so you'll see team breakouts from time to time, and delayed games.

In short, it's going to be a poopshow.
- Atomic Wedgie

Kids junior A league just told him the other day that they're looking at starting season October 1st, latest January 1st. Waiting on approval from the provincial government.

Don't believe their plan has much for precautions, he did mention that everyone may have to wear fish bowls.

Something, something, long stick
- Canada Cup

Yeah. That.

I was actually going to dovetail a similar comment in my comments - from my recollection his real strength is being long and having a long stick and being decent and blocking passes out from behind the net. He's not overly mobile. He's not overly smart. He's not adept with the puck, certainly not where he makes quick and effective bumper passes to the open guy for the clear. But I am spouting the reputation he has. Someone with more data than me and my wonky eyes has to know something!
- Monkeypunk

Are you thinking of Hal Gill?

Hell, I don't even know what my daughters' hockey looks like.

I can't see the province allowing spectators until there is a vaccine.

Players won't agree to a bubble for regular season (nor should they), so you'll see team breakouts from time to time, and delayed games.

In short, it's going to be a poopshow.
- Atomic Wedgie

California Governor has said no spectators without a vaccine, although Trump will release the Acuity Vaccine three weeks before the election [/img]