Now you are just contradicting your own posts. YOU were the one saying because of these last 3 games McDavid shouldn't fetch anymore than Marner. YOU brought up this play-in series. I agreed with your original sentiment that this play-in is no basis of what a team does going forward....but i DID question your use of Marner vs McDavid because both teams down 1-2 making their trade value similar. McDavid has been outstanding in his 3 games...the rest of the Oiler team, not so much. Marner has been not close to delivering like an 11 million player. He has been non-existant and a non-contributor through 3 games. So, just thought the comparison was weak and way off target.
- hawk35

I was being sarcastic

I thought it was pretty obvious with the way I was responding to the post

Maybe a team can do the Leafs a favour and take Matthews.

You can't be serious using taht as an example. Bergeron got as much as he could at the time and his cap % was higher than Marner's. Marner had 94 points prior to signing his deal.

Marchand's deal look great too eh? He had worse stats than Nylander when he signed his deal...

Same with the laughable notion Mackinon took a "Discount". He got every penny he could. He was a 60 point forward.
- RogerRoeper

Hmmm

Bergeron Mackinnon Marchand for the price of JT & Marner with change left over?

Players who want to win or greed?

Team players or me players?

Tough choices

Who is this guy? Marner is neither.

You seriously overvalue Marner, Matthews is a different story.
- golfingsince

Unfortunately Marner has yet to show anything to disprove the notion that his peak is at supporting cast. Ala, Kessel... With more heart and an actual personality.

I would like him to show us that he has more than that. That he can be a driving force with the chips down and change an outcome. It hasn't happened yet.

Don’t be that guy. 95 points is 100. The guy will fluctuate over his career and will hit 100 points and 90 points.

And I don’t but thanks for telling me.
- Santo_44

We call this the Phil Kessel 50 goal scorer argument.....still waiting.

Hmmm

Bergeron Mackinnon Marchand for the price of JT & Marner with change left over?

Players who want to win or greed?

Team players or me players?

Tough choices
- Nighthawk

All those players signed their contracts before they got to the level they are at today.

Don’t try to pretend that these players signed contracts when they were hart finalists.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot - Matthews - Mikheyev
Robertson - Nylander - Kapanen
Clifford - Gauthier - Engvall

Would be the FW lines I'd like to see tonight.
Try to get some advantage by giving that 3rd line some opportunities to shine.


Rielly - Holl
Dermott - Marincin
Sandin - Liljegren

don't play Barrie / Ceci
- MaximusAurelius

This pair as a 2nd.. ?? Oh boy.. That's a recipe for a sure loss.

Hmmm

Bergeron Mackinnon Marchand for the price of JT & Marner with change left over?

Players who want to win or greed?

Team players or me players?

Tough choices
- Nighthawk

First of all, Bergeron is 35 and clearly regressing. Marchand is very close to the age we will see a regression soon.
You have to take into account when these deals were signed. Heck, just look at the perceived difference in Nylander's deal in the past 12 months. Or Drais in the past 2 years...

We call this the Phil Kessel 50 goal scorer argument.....still waiting.
- golfingsince

37 goals to 50 goals is a little different than 95 to 100 points.

But whatever dude, I don’t really care.

We call this the Phil Kessel 50 goal scorer argument.....still waiting.
- golfingsince

It was 40 goals not 50

It's hilarious how Leaf contracts are viewed than on any other team.

This pair as a 2nd.. ?? Oh boy.. That's a recipe for a sure loss.

- dozerD10

All 3 pairs would be at this moment.

I can see how playing with JT and then AM might hinder his play.
- Canada Cup

😂😂

Young D-men that are good:

McAvoy
Ekblad
Provorov
Heiskanen
Seth Jones
Dahlin
Q. Hughes
Makar
Chabot
Sergachev
Dobson
Girard
Fabbro

not reallly sure any of these guys could actually be had.. Leafs are in a really tough position.
Have to look at Nylander to make an upgrade on D.

Rielly and Sandin seem the only 'sure to be there D' next season D-players on this team (+Muzzin if he rises from the land of the dead)

BTW, OEL blows and would be considered wildly overpaid on Toronto.

This pair as a 2nd.. ?? Oh boy.. That's a recipe for a sure loss.

- dozerD10

anything is better than Barrie and Ceci on the ice.

saw someone mention putting clifford on the top line with Matthews.
I gotta say...i dont hate it

go for broke...and I mean let clifford break something

Young D-men that are good:

McAvoy
Ekblad
Provorov
Heiskanen
Seth Jones
Dahlin
Q. Hughes
Makar
Chabot
Sergachev
Dobson
Girard
Fabbro

not reallly sure any of these guys could actually be had.. Leafs are in a really tough position.
Have to look at Nylander to make an upgrade on D.

Rielly and Sandin seem the only 'sure to be there D' next season D-players on this team (+Muzzin if he rises from the land of the dead)
- MaximusAurelius

Why does it have to be that list that's traded for? I don't think they are even on the market except mayby Ekblad.

Marner was used at his strengths under Babcock.
Keefe doesn't seem to get the best out of him.

Change the coach and GM.
- MaximusAurelius

Under Babcock this year, Marner averaged .2222 goals per game, .77777 assists per game, and 1 point per game.

Under Keefe this year, Marner averaged .2927 goals per game, .9024 assists per game, and 1.195 points per game.

saw someone mention putting clifford on the top line with Matthews.
I gotta say...i dont hate it

go for broke...and I mean let clifford break something
- senstroll

That person wants Tie Domi to return though

Send me half your salary
- Canada Cup

I’m not a player I’m married need my 1/2 if it changes lol

Young D-men that are good:

McAvoy
Ekblad
Provorov
Heiskanen
Seth Jones
Dahlin
Q. Hughes
Makar
Chabot
Sergachev
Dobson
Girard
Fabbro

not reallly sure any of these guys could actually be had.. Leafs are in a really tough position.
Have to look at Nylander to make an upgrade on D.

Rielly and Sandin seem the only 'sure to be there D' next season D-players on this team (+Muzzin if he rises from the land of the dead)
- MaximusAurelius

I thought we were trading Willie for roope hintz

Under Babcock this year, Marner averaged .2222 goals per game, .77777 assists per game, and 1 point per game.

Under Keefe this year, Marner averaged .2927 goals per game, .9024 assists per game, and 1.195 points per game.
- Atomic Wedgie

And Nylander became a PPG player... Babcock underused his talent a lot

BTW, OEL blows and would be considered wildly overpaid on Toronto.
- RogerRoeper

Would you just (frank)ing stop for (frank) sakes. My 11 year old has more composure when people disagree with her.

That person wants Tie Domi to return though
- RogerRoeper

Clifford-Matthews-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Hyman
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Kapanen
Robertson-Engvall-Spezza

I like it