Those are some really good points there big guy.
- Leafs43

what, you think i'm wrong?

my favorite part is that they have ZERO cap space to make this team better, and are going to lose players for nothing as a result.

you guys are (frank)ed, you have half your cap tied up in 4 players which is crippling the team from actually improving.

but sure......they're legit contenders.

Also, while I know we aren't supposed to make snap decisions...you can't have Holl playing 28 minutes a night and it seems this team/coach/management has no faith in Barrie (probably rightfully so as he's essentially cost himself 3mil by just one year outside COL).

what, you think i'm wrong?

my favorite part is that they have ZERO cap space to make this team better, and are going to lose players for nothing as a result.

you guys are (frank)ed, you have half your cap tied up in 4 players which is crippling the team from actually improving.

but sure......they're legit contenders.
- haywoodjablome

More good points.

You're really good at this there big guy.

clb isn't dominating the leafs physically
- burn

you are right - other teams are dominating the Leafs mentally.

bunch of fortnite-loving adolescents that don't want to put in the true effort to win important games.

There is a true need for changes, starting with making some changes upfront.

Nylander and Johnsson should be the first ones to go.
Ceci and Barrie (horrible on that last goal against) should obviously not be back.

A guy like Borgman (traded away for peanuts) could have filled some of the Muzzin physicality. (yes, leafs d is this thin that an guy that played in AHL last season would be an upgrade over current D).

Dubas really has his work cut out for him this off-season - and the 'patience time' is over.

Also, while I know we aren't supposed to make snap decisions...you can't have Holl playing 28 minutes a night and it seems this team/coach/management has no faith in Barrie (probably rightfully so as he's essentially cost himself 3mil by just one year outside COL).
- AdamFrench

2 coaches already.
and it was quite obvious to anybody that had actually watched Barrie play with Colorado, what he brings to the ice (nothing that Leafs ever needed).

More good points.

You're really good at this there big guy.
- Leafs43

I love that you have no argument to my points, you know i'm right and you're just getting defensive.

it's beautiful to see you guys flounder like this.

what, you think i'm wrong?

my favorite part is that they have ZERO cap space to make this team better, and are going to lose players for nothing as a result.

you guys are (frank)ed, you have half your cap tied up in 4 players which is crippling the team from actually improving.

but sure......they're legit contenders.
- haywoodjablome

the thing is, if they need to any player can be moved. What Toronto has done a very good job with is not signing poop players to garbage contracts that cant be moved.

If the right deal comes along, I have no doubt they shake things up...of course thats if they lose to cbj

the narrative can change game to game

I love that you have no argument to my points, you know i'm right and you're just getting defensive.

it's beautiful to see you guys flounder like this.
- haywoodjablome

There is no argument.

They are great points. The excessive use of the laughing emojis proves your superior intelligence.

Also, while I know we aren't supposed to make snap decisions...you can't have Holl playing 28 minutes a night and it seems this team/coach/management has no faith in Barrie (probably rightfully so as he's essentially cost himself 3mil by just one year outside COL).
- AdamFrench

Barrie f'd up on the gwg...he has plenty of those types of plays a game.

There is no argument.

They are great points. The excessive use of the laughing emojis proves your superior intelligence.
- Leafs43

here you go, no laughing emojis.......do you honestly think this is a contending team, and do you think it can be fixed this offseason?

what, you think i'm wrong?

my favorite part is that they have ZERO cap space to make this team better, and are going to lose players for nothing as a result.

you guys are (frank)ed, you have half your cap tied up in 4 players which is crippling the team from actually improving.

but sure......they're legit contenders.
- haywoodjablome

Troll be weak trollin....

Barrie f'd up on the gwg...he has plenty of those types of plays a game.
- senstroll

He's just an entirely different player. Maybe the altitude gave him powers to actually make interesting plays?

you are right - other teams are dominating the Leafs mentally.

bunch of fortnite-loving adolescents that don't want to put in the true effort to win important games.

There is a true need for changes, starting with making some changes upfront.

Nylander and Johnsson should be the first ones to go.
Ceci and Barrie (horrible on that last goal against) should obviously not be back.

A guy like Borgman (traded away for peanuts) could have filled some of the Muzzin physicality. (yes, leafs d is this thin that an guy that played in AHL last season would be an upgrade over current D)

Dubas really has his work cut out for him this off-season - and the 'patience time' is over.
- MaximusAurelius

here you go, no laughing emojis.......do you honestly think this is a contending team, and do you think it can be fixed this offseason?
- haywoodjablome

I don't need to think. I have people of superior intelligence like yourself to think for me.

the thing is, if they need to any player can be moved. What Toronto has done a very good job with is not signing poop players to garbage contracts that cant be moved.

If the right deal comes along, I have no doubt they shake things up...of course thats if they lose to cbj

the narrative can change game to game
- senstroll

even if they beat CBJ, they aren't getting past whichever team they play in the next round.

as for moving deals, let's be honest they only ones they can move that would have any impact on the cap is one of the 4 forwards.......

they obviously aren't moving Matthews, no point in discussing it.

i'm sure teams would line up to take Marner or Tavares, but there is no way you're moving that much cap for a single player without retaining salary or taking a big contract back, so it doesn't really solve the problem.

obviously Nylander is the choice, but that still leaves you with nearly 35 mil tied up in 3 players. I don't think a team can contend in a cap system with 3 players eating up nearly 43% of your cap space.....not to mention the obvious big raise Rielly is going to get (easily going to be an 8-9 mil dman)

Dubas being completely unable to negotiate team friendly deals with ANYBODY is what's sunk this team.

I don't need to think. I have people of superior intelligence like yourself to think for me.
- Leafs43

poor guy, you're having a rough morning aren't you?

it's okay, it will all be over tonight

Keep:

Marner
Tavares
Hyman
Matthews
Mikheyev
Kapanen
Robertson
Gauthier
Engvall
Korshkov
Barabanov (I guess)

Maybe:
Kerfoot

Trade / not resign:
Nylander
Johnsson
Spezza
Clifford
rest


on D:

keep:

Rielly

Maybe:

Holl
Dermott
Sandin
Liljegren
Muzzin
Lehtonen (I guess)


trade / don't resign:
Ceci
Barrie
rest


Goal:

keep:

Woll

maybe:
Campbell

trade / don't resign:
Andersen
rest


biggest needs keep being after 24+ months solid defensive d-men, a proper #3C, and a winger that can bring some physicallity to the top 2 lines and PP.

even if they beat CBJ, they aren't getting past whichever team they play in the next round.

as for moving deals, let's be honest they only ones they can move that would have any impact on the cap is one of the 4 forwards.......

they obviously aren't moving Matthews, no point in discussing it.

i'm sure teams would line up to take Marner or Tavares, but there is no way you're moving that much cap for a single player without retaining salary or taking a big contract back, so it doesn't really solve the problem.

obviously Nylander is the choice, but that still leaves you with nearly 35 mil tied up in 3 players. I don't think a team can contend in a cap system with 3 players eating up nearly 43% of your cap space.....not to mention the obvious big raise Rielly is going to get (easily going to be an 8-9 mil dman)

Dubas being completely unable to negotiate team friendly deals with ANYBODY is what's sunk this team.
- haywoodjablome

all this to agree with me that if needed they can move any player they want.

it's clear that 8pm games don't work for the Leafs.

all this to agree with me that if needed they can move any player they want.



- senstroll

you're right, they can move any player, but either they'll never get equal value on the return, or it won't clear up enough cap space to matter.

this team is going to swim in the pool of mediocrity for years.......will never be bad enough to tank, but will never be good enough to contend.

If you look real close, I've levied criticism against damn near every player on the team tonight. You seem to have an issue with only Matthews because it goes against your opinion of his play. I never said he played bad, not once. So yes, agree to disagree...

It's all hard mileage but I'm not bald, grey, wrinkled or fat yet so I'll take the wins where they come. 🤷‍♂️
- joel878

Heyyyyyy!!!!!! What's whong with bald you &^%&^$%$#!!!! I am bald, beautiful, studly and the envy of many a fully follicled fellow! Damn you!!!

Also, while I know we aren't supposed to make snap decisions...you can't have Holl playing 28 minutes a night and it seems this team/coach/management has no faith in Barrie (probably rightfully so as he's essentially cost himself 3mil by just one year outside COL).
- AdamFrench

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Heyyyyyy!!!!!! What's whong with bald you &^%&^$%$#!!!! I am bald, beautiful, studly and the envy of many a fully follicled fellow! Damn you!!!
- hawk35

apart from Getzlaf and Shattenkirk, I can't think of too many current NHL players that are bald..?

and Stepan

the thing is, if they need to any player can be moved. What Toronto has done a very good job with is not signing poop players to garbage contracts that cant be moved.

If the right deal comes along, I have no doubt they shake things up...of course thats if they lose to cbj

the narrative can change game to game
- senstroll

I think this is essentially true. Plus, Dubashas been very clever in the way he has front end loaded bonus payments. It means another team can do a deal that has much lower actual cash pay out on the back end of the contract. This is going to make some players especially attractive to other teams.

However, there will be at least 10 teams needing to shed salary because of the cap. There are teams in worse shape than the Leafs (eg., Tampa, St Louis) because they need to sign significant UFA or RFA players without the cap space to do it. There are about 10 teams in the middle that can make minor adjustments to stay within the cap.

And there are another 10 teams that have created huge cap space and built up draft picks with a view to doing deals and preparing for the leverage opportunities that will come from the protection lists out of the Seattle draft.

So, I think you are right in the sense that Dubas should be able to move players. On the other hand, he may have to discount the price in order to move a specific contract. I think Dubas can get a mid to late first round pick for Nylander or Marner. Nylander might be easier to move because most teams will be scared off by the negative vibes Marner's $11m cap hit causes for their own team's salary structure.