Dermott ended up logging 25 minutes in a game that stretched deep into overtime. Over the 18-plus minutes he shared the ice with Holl, the Leafs were slightly outchanced (11-13) and more importantly, outscored (0-2). Look into their limited minutes against the Jackets’ top line of Dubois, Cam Atkinson and Alexandre Texier and it’s messy: shot attempts were 13-4 in Columbus’ favour and scoring chances were 5-1.

“I thought that as a team we didn’t help our defence as a group, and as a group our defence didn’t help themselves,” Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe said when asked about Dermott’s performance.

On the Jones goal, for instance, Alexander Kerfoot slings the puck along the boards to what he thought would be a winger waiting for it. Only there’s no one there.

Pretty telling from statement from Keefe and some overmatched Minutes for Dermott along with a odd play and boom OT loss.
- dozerD10

dermott is in over is head. kefoot's is awesome at terrible giveaways in his zone and getting knocked onto is ass.

can't wait for the more bad pinches and kerfoot's dumbass penalties to cost the leafs the series today.

our cap structure is all good though. no need for better depth on defense in or in the bottom 6.

least you guys get to watch playoff hockey. plus, the silver lining of possibly gettting Laf. if you lose out.
- wingz4life

Hard to get excited about that but it could be an upside. winning that lottery means that someone bigger will go (Like Nylander or Marner).

Leafs needed to trade Marner instead of signing him to that insane contract, and instead tried to acquire a defenseman who could take pressure off of Rielly to be "the guy" because he's not.
- BINGO!

says the guy who told me the wings messed up in letting go of Andrej Nestrasil....

It's impossible to talk about future cap space as COVID 19 will force some teams to cut payroll and move some players.
Leafs paying vast majority of Nylander's deal in massive bonuses works in their favour. (EXACTLY what teams like Coyotees and Panthers will look for).
- RogerRoeper

Yotes are in one of the worst cap positions.
Sens & Habs got cap space but they are not doing a rival any favours.

So let me get this straight, because I'm pretty sure I'm misreading this, but this is my takeaway: General Manager Spatso is offering up Marner, Nylander, and Kapanen for two 1sts, and a 2nd. Because their contracts render them largely value-less.

and the Gull thinks this is a terrible trade.


This is an awesome trade... for the team on the other side.


Possibly the most awesome trade ever in the entire vast history of awesome trades ever.

These reactions are so passionate win or lose. If Leafs win tonight people will change their tune.
- RogerRoeper

Not good for hockey if Leafs lose next game.

I am having great difficulty getting into the fake fan sound and the commentators just keep talking and talking and it all seems so ruffly.

TV markets can get even softer if the Leafs drop out of playoffs.

Worth is irrelevant it’s what the market will pay & who can. Called DEMAND in a buyers market. Flat cap has only exacerbated the difficulty & the looming e-draft even more so.
- Nighthawk

Again, you're missing his point and my counter-point.

He says MM is worth a late first, at best. I ask why. He says b/c big contracts and Covid and Caps. I ask him to confirm that 'rule' applies to all big contracts.

If he says yes ...ok. Fine with that opinion.

If he says no, I meant it only applies to MM then he's a (frank)ing troll.

Either way ...yawn.

Yotes are in one of the worst cap positions.
Sens & Habs got cap space but they are not doing a rival any favours.
- Nighthawk

Sens are broke still. "Cap space" is irrelevant to them. They won't want Marner's July 1st bonuses. They need to save every penny for their young talent.

Habs just want to win. They won't look at it at all in terms of helping the Leafs. They need more talent.

So let me get this straight, because I'm pretty sure I'm misreading this, but this is my takeaway: General Manager Spatso is offering up Marner, Nylander, and Kapanen for two 1sts, and a 2nd. Because their contracts render them largely value-less.

and the Gull thinks this is a terrible trade.


This is an awesome trade... for the team on the other side.


Possibly the most awesome trade ever in the entire vast history of awesome trades ever.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Yes, Kessel = Marner, Nylander and Kapanen.

says the guy who told me the wings messed up in letting go of Andrej Nestrasil....
- wingz4life

He suffered a debilitating back injury that required surgery and was barely able to skate anymore.

Hard to get excited about that but it could be an upside. winning that lottery means that someone bigger will go (Like Nylander or Marner).
- RogerRoeper

as good of a player as Marner is, he's absolutely not worth his contract.....no team is going to help the leafs and take him at that price tag without the leafs either eating a bunch of cap, or the leafs taking a poopty contract back (along with other good assets that they'd get).

i'll go one step further, almost no team COULD take him without the leafs eating salary or taking a bad contract back.

as good of a player as Marner is, he's absolutely not worth his contract.....no team is going to help the leafs and take him at that price tag without the leafs either eating a bunch of cap, or the leafs taking a poopty contract back (along with other good assets that they'd get).

i'll go one step further, almost no team COULD take him without the leafs eating salary or taking a bad contract back.
- haywoodjablome

Getting a 22 year-old who scores 90+ points already is not "Helping" the other team...

Now you're underrating Marner.

Again, Leaf players don't have less value than any other teams' players... He's not Sergei Bobrovsky LOL

Sens are broke still. "Cap space" is irrelevant to them. They won't want Marner's July 1st bonuses. They need to save every penny for their young talent.

Habs just want to win. They won't look at it at all in terms of helping the Leafs. They need more talent.
- RogerRoeper

if the Habs took Marner they'd be in the exact same position the leafs are in now......cap hell because they're spending 50% of the cap on 3-4 guys, with a roster that isn't good enough to win

Leafs needed to trade Marner instead of signing him to that insane contract, and instead tried to acquire a defenseman who could take pressure off of Rielly to be "the guy" because he's not.
- BINGO!

marner for a cheaper forward + picks prospects. sign petro.

something like marner for silverberg +. just an example. probably need less sign salary coming back.

buyout kerfoot.

I'll bite.

Which teams are going to have to save cash and sell players ...presumably on the cheap?

And if that's going to be a meaningful thing this offseason then doesn't that de-value all players on the trade market? Meaning trading a WN would be a bad idea right now.
- The Law

Players will be devalued & dumping cap will be even more difficult. Smart GM’s with cap weaponized could come out rosy if they squeeze teams & play them. They can wait it out but sellers it’s tic toc tic toc.

if the Habs took Marner they'd be in the exact same position the leafs are in now......cap hell because they're spending 50% of the cap on 3-4 guys, with a roster that isn't good enough to win
- haywoodjablome

Leafs are in no more "Cap hell" than the majority of the NHL. It's a myth.

And Habs only have cap beacuse no one will sign there. And getting marner makes them better, not worse. Carey Price and Weber's deals are far worse than any Leaf deals.

Players will be devalued & dumping cap will be even more difficult. Smart GM’s with cap weaponized could come out rosy if they squeeze teams & play them. They can wait it out but sellers it’s tic toc tic toc.
- Nighthawk

And the Leafs can buy things other teams can't. They are buying draft picks. They can eat so much dead $$$

Again, you're missing his point and my counter-point.

He says MM is worth a late first, at best. I ask why. He says b/c big contracts and Covid and Caps. I ask him to confirm that 'rule' applies to all big contracts.

If he says yes ...ok. Fine with that opinion.

If he says no, I meant it only applies to MM then he's a (frank)ing troll.

Either way ...yawn.
- The Law

Even if the decision is made to try and trade a guy like Marner, why are people acting like the only way that works is if its a straight cap dump?

It would be a cap redistribution, not dump. As in... Trading him for a Forsberg and Ellis type combo (don't (frank)ing shred me on value here people because it's just an example).

As if teams just take on an 11 million dollar contract, but go yeaaaaah its an 11 million dollar contract, all we can do is a mid first rounder.

Collapses bring out the (frank)ing stupid in this fanbase. 🤦‍♂️

DET and BUF both have over 30 mill in cap space. OTT doesnt count since they have ther own internal cap. Dont think DET is ready to take on anything big. buffalo could though.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Freddie

On the Dubois GWG.....

PLD skates straight ahead with his puck on the backhand, no deke whatsoever and still beats Freddie glove side

WTF?

DET and BUF both have over 30 mill in cap space. OTT doesnt count since they have ther own internal cap. Dont think DET is ready to take on anything big. buffalo could though.
- wingz4life

Buffalo has to actually find a way to shed some cap. Because they have to add to that team and have so much pressure. That Sinner deal is devestating.

DET and BUF both have over 30 mill in cap space. OTT doesnt count since they have ther own internal cap. Dont think DET is ready to take on anything big. buffalo could though.
- wingz4life

anaheim and san jose are both grasping at the idea of becoming contenders quick again.

probably la too.

the winds are blowing to california on a marner trade.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Freddie

On the Dubois GWG.....

PLD skates straight ahead with his puck on the backhand, no deke whatsoever and still beats Freddie glove side

WTF?
- mr.sir

Freddy is always the 2nd best goalie in every series. He has to go. And people keep thinking he's getting some big raise? ROTFL

Don’t get me wrong, I like Freddie

On the Dubois GWG.....

PLD skates straight ahead with his puck on the backhand, no deke whatsoever and still beats Freddie glove side

WTF?
- mr.sir

freddy got too deep in his net too early. looked like he was expecting deke.

tavares should never have shot from where he did.

as good of a player as Marner is, he's absolutely not worth his contract.....no team is going to help the leafs and take him at that price tag without the leafs either eating a bunch of cap, or the leafs taking a poopty contract back (along with other good assets that they'd get).

i'll go one step further, almost no team COULD take him without the leafs eating salary or taking a bad contract back.
- haywoodjablome

I have no problem with that opinion ...as long as that theory applies to all elite young players on big contracts (not named McDavid).

Truth be told history shows us no great young player has been locked up and then dealt for great value in the Cap era.

RoR might be the only example of a player getting a big contract (7.5 which was huge when he signed it) and then getting dealt a couple years into the contract. Sabres got a first, second and a few potential pieces. However, he had just played like poop and had essentially given up on the Sabres.

But, ya generally when you lock into an elite young guy ...you ride out that contract. Marner, Matthews and JT aren't being moved. They'll build around those guys.