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wmathe
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 12.29.2017

Aug 8 @ 10:10 AM ET
I was thinking the same thing as you. The Blackhawks however place a high value on Strome and see him as a good locker room guy with the possibility of being a future captain when the old core starts to move on. With Kirby Dach have a solid playoff run and Dominik Kubalik needing a big raise. The flat cap may force the Hawks to move Strome just out of not being able to afford to resign both RFAs.

I also like the idea of packaging Roslovic for Matt Dumba if the Wild are seriously considering dumping his salary. It could be a win for both as the Jets are most likely going to lose him or Copp in the expansion draft. He has 3 seasons before hitting UFA and his M-NTC doesn't kick in until 2021. Our defence is so weak, the only player Seattle would pick if available is Morrissey.

- Napolean-Mennonite


With the limited room Chicago has sadly it would probably cost Niku and a pick since strome is an established player. Niku would save them money. They can sign him to a cheaper contract with limited nhl experience. Then we sign strome which will probably be in the 3m range. That should solve the 2c issue. I don't have issues with copp. His play this postseason impressed me a lot but I don't think he is the right fit for that second line.

With strome signed it also makes roslovic expendable. Can trade him for a d man. Roslovic isn't going to get a chance as center here so he gets a fresh start. If little is able to come back center looks solid. There would be depth if someone gets hurt and little played solid at wing. So down the middle would be scheifele, strome, copp/little, Lowry.
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Aug 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
I think we are sitting at 10th overall and move to 9 if Hawks win
- Ross77

Those were two huge injuries to try and overcome. I don't think there are very many teams that would be able to overcome losing two of their top players in game 1.
A lot of lower seeds advancing. Are they determining draft order off point total, or percentage? Buffalo picks 8th, then the play-in losers start to fill in at 9. Wild, Preds, Panthers, and Rangers all finished w/less points than the Jets.
Edit: I guess it's %, remembering that you guys got the Flames while Preds got the Yotes.
wmathe
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 12.29.2017

Aug 8 @ 11:21 AM ET
Those were two huge injuries to try and overcome. I don't think there are very many teams that would be able to overcome losing two of their top players in game 1.
A lot of lower seeds advancing. Are they determining draft order off point total, or percentage? Buffalo picks 8th, then the play-in losers start to fill in at 9. Wild, Preds, Panthers, and Rangers all finished w/less points than the Jets.

- Ratsreign


It is based on point percentage at time of the pause. So the only team that has a lower point percentage than the jets that lost in the qualifier is Minnesota. That makes the lowest the jets can pick begin 10th.
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Aug 8 @ 11:28 AM ET
It is based on point percentage at time of the pause. So the only team that has a lower point percentage than the jets that lost in the qualifier is Minnesota. That makes the lowest the jets can pick begin 10th.
- wmathe

Yes, it finally clicked when I remembered how the qualifying round was seeded, lol. Thanks đź‘Ť.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 1:37 PM ET
You're right. Winnipeg sits with the 10th overall pick. They can move up to #9 if the Wild win the draft or #1 if they win.

They have some really good players though listed in that range with always a steal that may drop down. Some drafts have Jamie Drysdale as low as #7 but with him being the best defenceman available, I believe Ottawa will take him. Jake Sanderson is another solid defenceman that some people have around #11.

I think the dream scenario is if we win number #1, it opens up a number of options. With the Islanders winning their series, Ottawa now has 3 first rounders. Do we try and trade to trade the pick and get 6'4" center Quinton Byfield and pick up additional picks.

If we draft Alexis Lafrenière, maybe we have to consider trading Ehlers since with also having Kyle Connor, we don't need 3 star left wingers with only Scheifele being our only top 6 center. Drafting another top left wing prospect drops Kristian Vesalainen further down the organizational prospect pool being one of our top forwards with the Moose that plays left wing. Add that we have put Roslovic as left and right wings this season, I don't think we need another winger.

The Byfuglien drama really set this team back this year, but it might have done us a favour in the long run. With a flat cap and extra salary room, we can patch a couple of holes other teams will no longer be able to afford. Also, by being smart with a top 10 pick in a very deep draft, we are pretty much in the same position that Colorado was 2 years ago and look what a player like Cale Makar has done for them.

- Napolean-Mennonite


If you’re trading one of our big 3 wingers, you’re trading Kyle Connor 12 times out of 10. Ehlers is the better player, signed for less, that can actually produce and drive a line by himself.
Whereas Connor has the highest trade value by reputation, and has struggled every time he isn’t with Scheifele
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 1:39 PM ET
Agreed in DeMelo but need more of a physical presence. Hamonic is 30, a 2-3 year deal for good value would not hurt this team at all. Maybe even keep DeMelo. Your top 4 would be run out of the rink by any playoff team. Look at what Calgary did to Morrissey, Pionk, and DeMelo this year.

I like Copp but not as a 2C. Can you imagine this team with a 2C Center and a third line of Copp, Lowry, Roslavic/Little/Harkins. Or even better Copp, Lowry, Roslavic/Harkins and Little/Gustafson centering the 4th.

If all we need to trade for is a 2C then I am all for moving the first rounder. The rest of the parts needed can be added as UFAs which the jets have the cap space for.

Right side d: Pionk , DeMelo, Samberg, Poolman
Left side d: Morrissey, Dillon, Heinola,

I believe Hamonic plays both sides. It is not like the jets would be signing Hamonic to a Byfuglien type deal (huge coin and years).

So if the pipe dream happens and we pick first overall, the jets will be alright. But I am going with the odds that some other team will draft first and how can we get a 2C. Again nothing against Copp just like the 3rd line as it is.

- Jetter


I don’t care much for signing a dman just to have him be big. Hamonic is likely not an NHL player in 2 years, so why bother with that.

Calgary didn’t beat us because we aren’t big and hitty, they beat us because we’re dogsh*t and our defensive system has more holes than a cheese grater
Napolean-Mennonite
Location: MB
Joined: 01.30.2020

Aug 8 @ 2:13 PM ET
I don’t care much for signing a dman just to have him be big. Hamonic is likely not an NHL player in 2 years, so why bother with that.

Calgary didn’t beat us because we aren’t big and hitty, they beat us because we’re dogsh*t and our defensive system has more holes than a cheese grater

- Rexypoo


I kind of agree with Rexy. The problem with our forwards against Calgary was that our defense couldn't transition an outlet pass to get the forwards transitioning to offense. I couldn't count the times an aggressive forecheck caused a turnover with our defense forcing Wheeler and Connor to come back deeper and then just flip it to center since you can't skate through an entire team to create some offence.

I really like Hamonic but he's not the same player as he was with the Islanders. If we're lucky, maybe he signs for a year and he hope's the flat cap gets lifted the following season for a longer deal somewhere else.

I was looking at the top UFA list and saw Mikael Granlund at 27 is open. He could fit in Finnipeg and would of hit 20 goals if not for the shortened season. The Preds were using him as a left wing in the playoffs but he's mostly played center.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Aug 8 @ 2:18 PM ET
If you’re trading one of our big 3 wingers, you’re trading Kyle Connor 12 times out of 10. Ehlers is the better player, signed for less, that can actually produce and drive a line by himself.
Whereas Connor has the highest trade value by reputation, and has struggled every time he isn’t with Scheifele

- Rexypoo

All of our wingers have struggled when they are not with Scheifele. Only two unique wingers in the NHL are Alex Ovechkin and Patrick Kane. Those are the only two wingers in the entire league that I would consider untouchable.

Wing is after all the easiest position to develop.

Additionally in Connor's defense if not for the Covid-19 pandemics, was slated to be the first ever 40/40 guy this franchise has had since Hossa and Kovalchuk. That's some pretty elite company if you ask me.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Aug 8 @ 2:20 PM ET
I kind of agree with Rexy. The problem with our forwards against Calgary was that our defense couldn't transition an outlet pass to get the forwards transitioning to offense. I couldn't count the times an aggressive forecheck caused a turnover with our defense forcing Wheeler and Connor to come back deeper and then just flip it to center since you can't skate through an entire team to create some offence.

I really like Hamonic but he's not the same player as he was with the Islanders. If we're lucky, maybe he signs for a year and he hope's the flat cap gets lifted the following season for a longer deal somewhere else.

I was looking at the top UFA list and saw Mikael Granlund at 27 is open. He could fit in Finnipeg and would of hit 20 goals if not for the shortened season. The Preds were using him as a left wing in the playoffs but he's mostly played center.

- Napolean-Mennonite


Agreed! How big was Niklas Lidstrom? How big is Erik Karlsson? What about Drew Doughty?
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 4:44 PM ET
Agreed! How big was Niklas Lidstrom? How big is Erik Karlsson? What about Drew Doughty?
- TheUltimateJet


Or Josi, Ellis, Spurgeon, Makar, Girard, Hughes, Heiskanen, Klingberg, even like Torey Krug
wmathe
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 12.29.2017

Aug 8 @ 5:10 PM ET
What is everyone's thoughts on going after Joel Edmondson from Carolina. 27yo and I doubt Carolina will have money to resign him. Also with a flat cap players could be going for less than normally due to the number of teams up against the cap.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 5:14 PM ET
What is everyone's thoughts on going after Joel Edmondson from Carolina. 27yo and I doubt Carolina will have money to resign him. Also with a flat cap players could be going for less than normally due to the number of teams up against the cap.
- wmathe


He’s not very good. I was honestly pretty surprised when Carolina trades for him, given their pro-analytics approach. Actually, the same could be said for Skjei and Vatanen... weird.

Point is Edmundson isn’t good, and I don’t wanna pay for a ring on the 3rd pairing
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Aug 8 @ 5:25 PM ET
Or Josi, Ellis, Spurgeon, Makar, Girard, Hughes, Heiskanen, Klingberg, even like Torey Krug
- Rexypoo



I'm fine with one or two small d-man on a squad. However you need a couple of d-man to clear the net, provide some muscle, IMO, to achieve success. Let's not get intimidated by Lucic and Tkachuk ever again!

Not sure why all the love for Travis Hamonic above in posts - his best days may well be behind him.

There is no way in God's green earth that the Jets trade EITHER Kyle Connor or Nik Ehlers! Very good, entertaining players with great contracts - they are going no where.
wmathe
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 12.29.2017

Aug 8 @ 5:35 PM ET
I'm fine with one or two small d-man on a squad. However you need a couple of d-man to clear the net, provide some muscle, IMO, to achieve success. Let's not get intimidated by Lucic and Tkachuk ever again!

Not sure why all the love for Travis Hamonic above in posts - his best days may well be behind him.

There is no way in God's green earth that the Jets trade EITHER Kyle Connor or Nik Ehlers! Very good, entertaining players with great contracts - they are going no where.

- grahamzky


Let's say the jets win the lottery. Who gets traded to free up a spot? If they don't win I agree there is no way they make that trade.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 5:40 PM ET
UPDATED DREAM!
Sign nobody new but Pietrangelo and Granlund. Go full youth movement.
RIP Perreault, as sad as I am about it.

Copp-Scheifele-Laine
Lafreniere-Granlund-Ehlers
Connor-Lowry-Wheeler
Harkins-Gustafsson-Roslovic

Samberg-Pietrangelo
Morrissey-DeMelo
Heinola-Pionk

Full youth movement. No more bs.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 5:45 PM ET
I'm fine with one or two small d-man on a squad. However you need a couple of d-man to clear the net, provide some muscle, IMO, to achieve success. Let's not get intimidated by Lucic and Tkachuk ever again!

Not sure why all the love for Travis Hamonic above in posts - his best days may well be behind him.

There is no way in God's green earth that the Jets trade EITHER Kyle Connor or Nik Ehlers! Very good, entertaining players with great contracts - they are going no where.

- grahamzky


The best defenceman we ever had at keeping players and shots way from the front of our net was Toby Enstrom
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 6:01 PM ET
Let's say the jets win the lottery. Who gets traded to free up a spot? If they don't win I agree there is no way they make that trade.
- wmathe


If it’s not Connor, you’re already fixin to lose the trade
wmathe
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 12.29.2017

Aug 8 @ 6:11 PM ET
If it’s not Connor, you’re already fixin to lose the trade
- Rexypoo

It would be tough, but if one most go I think it is Conner also. Overall his skill set is easier to replace than Ehlers. Conner can pass and shoot, gets to a good spot on the ice. Ehlers can enter the zone and with the struggles they have of zone entry right now his skill is more valuable.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 6:24 PM ET
It would be tough, but if one most go I think it is Conner also. Overall his skill set is easier to replace than Ehlers. Conner can pass and shoot, gets to a good spot on the ice. Ehlers can enter the zone and with the struggles they have of zone entry right now his skill is more valuable.
- wmathe


Ehlers is better at almost everything, by a considerable amount.
Connor has an excellent shot, and is possibly the most dangerous player in the world 1v1.
Connor does not drive play, effectively create chances for himself or his linemates, and he is one of the worst defensive players in the NHL.

Ehlers CAN do all of those things, while being almost as a good a shooter

Also, just gonna put this here:
https://jfresh.substack.c...post-mortem-winnipeg-jets
Napolean-Mennonite
Location: MB
Joined: 01.30.2020

Aug 8 @ 7:17 PM ET
Ehlers is better at almost everything, by a considerable amount.
Connor has an excellent shot, and is possibly the most dangerous player in the world 1v1.
Connor does not drive play, effectively create chances for himself or his linemates, and he is one of the worst defensive players in the NHL.

Ehlers CAN do all of those things, while being almost as a good a shooter

- Rexypoo



Ehlers is the better play driver and better in the defensive end. Connor is the better shooter. Connor however has an A grade center that he has found chemistry with. Ehlers never had that luxury this season. I'm not as down on Little as many readers have been but with those injuries, I think he needs to think of his family and hang up his skates. The other option is trading Laine who has not signed long term. Ehlers has shown that he can play his off wing just based on his style of play and he never sticks to his zone anyways in the offensive zone.

I think everything comes down to the lottery on Monday and then free agency. If we don't win the draft or have anyone worthwhile signing in free agency, I think we have to consider Ehlers as the trade bait. This should be avoided at almost all costs, especially since it might bring hesitation to some RFAs who sign long term. Ultimately, we need to win and sometimes you need to give up a piece to get a piece.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Aug 8 @ 7:34 PM ET
You're right. Winnipeg sits with the 10th overall pick. They can move up to #9 if the Wild win the draft or #1 if they win.

They have some really good players though listed in that range with always a steal that may drop down. Some drafts have Jamie Drysdale as low as #7 but with him being the best defenceman available, I believe Ottawa will take him. Jake Sanderson is another solid defenceman that some people have around #11.

I think the dream scenario is if we win number #1, it opens up a number of options. With the Islanders winning their series, Ottawa now has 3 first rounders. Do we try and trade to trade the pick and get 6'4" center Quinton Byfield and pick up additional picks.

If we draft Alexis Lafrenière, maybe we have to consider trading Ehlers since with also having Kyle Connor, we don't need 3 star left wingers with only Scheifele being our only top 6 center. Drafting another top left wing prospect drops Kristian Vesalainen further down the organizational prospect pool being one of our top forwards with the Moose that plays left wing. Add that we have put Roslovic as left and right wings this season, I don't think we need another winger.

The Byfuglien drama really set this team back this year, but it might have done us a favour in the long run. With a flat cap and extra salary room, we can patch a couple of holes other teams will no longer be able to afford. Also, by being smart with a top 10 pick in a very deep draft, we are pretty much in the same position that Colorado was 2 years ago and look what a player like Cale Makar has done for them.

- Napolean-Mennonite

I’d trade Connor before Ehlers
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Aug 8 @ 7:49 PM ET
Ehlers is the better play driver and better in the defensive end. Connor is the better shooter. Connor however has an A grade center that he has found chemistry with. Ehlers never had that luxury this season. I'm not as down on Little as many readers have been but with those injuries, I think he needs to think of his family and hang up his skates. The other option is trading Laine who has not signed long term. Ehlers has shown that he can play his off wing just based on his style of play and he never sticks to his zone anyways in the offensive zone.

I think everything comes down to the lottery on Monday and then free agency. If we don't win the draft or have anyone worthwhile signing in free agency, I think we have to consider Ehlers as the trade bait. This should be avoided at almost all costs, especially since it might bring hesitation to some RFAs who sign long term. Ultimately, we need to win and sometimes you need to give up a piece to get a piece.

- Napolean-Mennonite


The worst thing about the Little situation is that he started out the season VERY strong. He was a 2C until he got hit. Would’ve been a very different ball game with him around, and no Eakin
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Aug 8 @ 7:58 PM ET
All of our wingers have struggled when they are not with Scheifele. Only two unique wingers in the NHL are Alex Ovechkin and Patrick Kane. Those are the only two wingers in the entire league that I would consider untouchable.

Wing is after all the easiest position to develop.

Additionally in Connor's defense if not for the Covid-19 pandemics, was slated to be the first ever 40/40 guy this franchise has had since Hossa and Kovalchuk. That's some pretty elite company if you ask me.

- TheUltimateJet

Ehlers has led the Jets for three seasons points per minutes while primarily NOT playing with Shiefele, Ehlers is putting up better points per minutes than Sheifele
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Aug 8 @ 8:00 PM ET
Or Josi, Ellis, Spurgeon, Makar, Girard, Hughes, Heiskanen, Klingberg, even like Torey Krug
- Rexypoo

Out of curiosity,
Who are all of those D partners? Yes skill is great! But skill and strength is even better. These smallish skilled D are great but sometimes benifit from larger stronger Defensively minded D partners as well.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Aug 8 @ 8:01 PM ET
What is everyone's thoughts on going after Joel Edmondson from Carolina. 27yo and I doubt Carolina will have money to resign him. Also with a flat cap players could be going for less than normally due to the number of teams up against the cap.
- wmathe

I say no, like hamonic, neither are very good anymore
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