The best defenceman we ever had at keeping players and shots way from the front of our net was Toby Enstrom
- Rexypoo

And who did he play with???

Out of curiosity,
Who are all of those D partners? Yes skill is great! But skill and strength is even better. These smallish skilled D are great but sometimes benifit from larger stronger Defensively minded D partners as well.
- Ross77

A few of them are paired together, like with Nashville and Colorado.
Spurgeon is with Brodin.
Klingberg and Lindell, whom he carries.
Hughes is Tanev, who isn’t big.

And who did he play with???
- Ross77

It didn’t matter. Myers was horrible for letting people at his goalies, and Byfuglien wasn’t as effective

A few of them are paired together, like with Nashville and Colorado.
Spurgeon is with Brodin.
Klingberg and Lindell, whom he carries.
Hughes is Tanev, who isn’t big.
- Rexypoo

Tanev isn’t small, and I don’t necessarily mean size as I mean strength.
There is a reason truba and Morrisey played so well together, they complimented each other and made up for each other’s weaknesses.

It didn’t matter. Myers was horrible for letting people at his goalies, and Byfuglien wasn’t as effective
- Rexypoo

Enstrom and Myers sucked ass, buff and Enstrom complimented each other very well

Tanev isn’t small, and I don’t necessarily mean size as I mean strength.
There is a reason truba and Morrisey played so well together, they complimented each other and made up for each other’s weaknesses.
- Ross77

Tanev also isn’t big, and has taken years off his career because of his style of play.

As for Morrissey, he had a reputation for being one of the most dangerous open ice hitters in junior

Enstrom and Myers sucked ass, buff and Enstrom complimented each other very well
- Ross77

Enstrom and Myers were fine. Mostly because Enstrom babysat, and let Myers run around

Tanev also isn’t big, and has taken years off his career because of his style of play.

As for Morrissey, he had a reputation for being one of the most dangerous open ice hitters in junior
- Rexypoo

What point are you making about Morrisey in junior? He doesn’t hit anyone in the NHl so what point are you making? Are you saying him and Trouba didn’t compliment ya arch other?

What point are you making about Morrisey in junior? He doesn’t hit anyone in the NHl so what point are you making? Are you saying him and Trouba didn’t compliment ya arch other?
- Ross77

It seemed like you were implying Trouba’s size was the difference. Otherwise that was just a random seque

Maybe there could be a play to be made for Sharrenkirk but can't do more than 3 years or there could be issues. Otherwise going RFA maybe a play for Vince Dunn.

Maybe there could be a play to be made for Sharrenkirk but can't do more than 3 years or there could be issues. Otherwise going RFA maybe a play for Vince Dunn.
- wmathe

Both.

Both.
- Rexypoo

The big issue would be over paying for shattenkirk but a quick look at numbers Dunn's are not bad and the blues might not be able to afford to keep him and take what they can in a trade.

The big issue would be over paying for shattenkirk but a quick look at numbers Dunn's are not bad and the blues might not be able to afford to keep him and take what they can in a trade.
- wmathe

Tbh Dunn alone is a world of difference

Let's say the jets win the lottery. Who gets traded to free up a spot? If they don't win I agree there is no way they make that trade.
- wmathe

They draft the C Stutzle (spelling?)/ Problem solved!

They draft the C Stutzle (spelling?)/ Problem solved!
- grahamzky

Best player available. Always. If you’re #1 pick, you take Lafreniere

Maybe there could be a play to be made for Sharrenkirk but can't do more than 3 years or there could be issues. Otherwise going RFA maybe a play for Vince Dunn.
- wmathe

I say no to shattenkirk but yes to Dunn, also I am asking about Puoluck and Toews on Islanders.

They draft the C Stutzle (spelling?)/ Problem solved!
- grahamzky

Hypothetically speaking. Jets win the first overall pick. They want to draft Stutzle. If that's the case, they should trade down and make Ottawa pay a premium for the pick.

Hypothetically speaking. Jets win the first overall pick. They want to draft Stutzle. If that's the case, they should trade down and make Ottawa pay a premium for the pick.
- TheUltimateJet

Honestly if we win, I’d pay money to see the offers Chevy gets!!! I’d guess Montreal, Ottawa, Devils all make offers due to want and excessive amount of round 1&2 picks and even LA with the 2nd over all pick make one, LA has at least half dozen Center prospects already, highlighted by kupari and Turcotte so they would much prefer Lafrenier.

This team needs a pretty big overhaul, too small all over the lineup but especially on the backend,
need a second line center if Little isn't returning, a better 3rd line center, two bigger D partners for Morrissey and Pionk if Pionk is staying long term though if his stock has risen moving him wouldn't be a bad idea depending on what the return would be. The bottom 6 needs a substantial change as its unproductive and easy to play against, need a 3rd line that can score a bit, just average of what most 3rd lines produce would make a huge difference and a 4th line that's tough to play against, they have some of the right pieces already but need two or three more of the right players for the roles. A few notable issues, the Jets struggle to score 5v5, had one of the least productive bottom 6 and was last for goals from their defense, the Jets offense almost entirely came from 55, 26, 27, 29, 81 and the PP which wasn't always effective. Many teams are in a serious cap crunch so maybe some bargains can be found by Chevy, the center issue is a big one, Wheeler can't do it anymore as he looks exhausted when he plays center, it seems about 99% certain that Little will be going on LTIR, Copp was very underwhelming at 2C, he's okay at 3C though, Eakin is a 3C and Lowry is a 4C, to sum it up simply the Jets have an abundance of 3/4C's but not enough 2/3C's. The problem with filling the 2C hole is there really isn't a lot of options out there, teams aren't giving those players away and even an overpay seems unlikely as where is that team getting their 2C replacement if they trade that guy to the Jets? Also the Jets aren't the only team looking for a center so there's competition in the market as well, wonder if Nashville might blow it up a bit and a guy like Johansen could be available, he has an $8M cap hit though so if he doesn't rebound you're screwed and an in division trade of that magnitude seems unlikely anyway. The only guy close to a 2C in free agency is Haula but he's proably more of a 3C, could do in a pinch though especially with the Jets quality of wingers, he'll likely have a lot of teams trying to sign him though. I saw it mentioned by another commenter to sign Granlund, from everything I've read on Granlund he hasn't played center for a very long time like many years ago in Minnesota so he doesn't seem like he'd be a center option unless they want another winger cause they're moving out Connor, Laine or Ehlers for a dman then maybe adding Granlund for the wing makes sense. Honestly for all the discussion in Jetsville about the need for a 2C
I encourage fans to look around the league and tell me who the 2C is that's available and what a fair trade to get that player would be cause I just don't see who this center is that might be available.
The Islanders are in a serious cap crunch, the Jets should be inquiring on Pulock, would probably take a very good offer though even with the cap troubles the Isles have they're not giving away a dman like Pulock for scraps. I liked DeMelo and wanted him resigned but after watching the playins I think it's best to take a pass on him unless he'd sign a cheaper deal where he could be slotted on the 3rd pair but that seems unlikely, this D core got pushed around by Calgary and it would've happened against another team, they need to add some bigger dmen who are still mobile and for the love of gawd do they need a couple guys back there with a bit of a mean streak, also part of why the PK is so gawd awful is our tiny dmen can't clear the front of the net or win a board battle and bigger dmen have reach to break up passes though the Jets PK strategy is an epic failure, man is it bad, they need to abandon whatever that is and go back to a basic 4 man box and be a bit more aggressive.
Are Heinola and Samberg viewed as our saviors of this defense? Cause I just don't see it, everything I've seen from Samberg at the WJC tourney and at UMD says 3rd pairing guy who can PK and Heinola while he looked good in his 8 games of early regular season hockey would likely get tossed around in the playoffs, Bennett was beating up Morrissey and Pionk and he's listed as just a bit bigger then those two, he'd destroy Heinola, sorry I just don't see a top 4 of Morrissey,DeMelo,Heinola,Pionk surviving a round of playoff hockey, two smallish dmen in a 6 man D core is fine but no way you're gonna go anywhere with 4 small dmen.

Sorry for the long rant but that's what I see, the narrative I often hear is 'we just need a 2C and a dman or two but I think this team needs much more then that and the guy with dayoff in his name isn't very active unless there's something coming across the waiver wire, I hope he's planning on picking up the phone and calling some other GMs to see who may be available whenever the offseason starts cause this lineup needs a lot of work if this team wants to get back to being considered a contender,
just my $0.02.

Jet fuel, I may have to read that a few times to get everything, sorry I tend to skim long ones.

I don’t get all the toughness talk, yes I agree we need a bit more toughness and sandpaper but it has to come from skilled guys, not just bad tough grinders. We have been considered one of the toughest, biggest teams for the past 5-6 and have only gone on one run, so I can’t see how Everyone assumes that’s the missing piece.

As for 2nd line centers, one to consider taking a chance on is Nolan Patrick, Couturier and Hayes are both centres for sure for the Flyers, Girioux and Laughton have both play center and wing this year. So that’s 4 already, add in all the centers coming up in their system and Patrick is absolutely expendable for them. With his injury history and being an RFA the cost can not be astronomical.

Jet fuel, I may have to read that a few times to get everything, sorry I tend to skim long ones.

I don’t get all the toughness talk, yes I agree we need a bit more toughness and sandpaper but it has to come from skilled guys, not just bad tough grinders. We have been considered one of the toughest, biggest teams for the past 5-6 and have only gone on one run, so I can’t see how Everyone assumes that’s the missing piece.

As for 2nd line centers, one to consider taking a chance on is Nolan Patrick, Couturier and Hayes are both centres for sure for the Flyers, Girioux and Laughton have both play center and wing this year. So that’s 4 already, add in all the centers coming up in their system and Patrick is absolutely expendable for them. With his injury history and being an RFA the cost can not be astronomical.
- Ross77

No worries, I know it's long but I don't do things half A$$ed.. Lol

Well I don't mean toughness as in strictly tough guys or grinders who can't score but some guys who can finish a body check, forecheck hard, win a board battle but can also score occasionally.
A guy like Armia had size, not a huge hitter but did hit, could score at an average 3rd line rate and PK, was never a Tanev fan but he had speed and while not heavy his hits led to turnovers by the other team or penalties drawn, a guy like Josh Anderson who while he did have a down year is usually a 30ish point player who has size, our bottom 6 doesn't produce enough plain and simple, some of them had an okay playin but that's a small sample size and if we had a better/more productive bottom 6 the Jets are likely sitting in Dallas' position right now.
Sorry I hit on two of my points there but you probably get my point, also I wouldn't totally discount having a so called tough guy, obviously the guy would still need to be able to play and contribute in other ways but no one can tell me having a Reaves or Kassian with the likes of Tkachuk running around or Kane taking runs at Pionk wouldn't make a difference, also why is it Vegas can put together a seemingly useful 4th line but the Jets can't? With the way the middle class and vets have been squeezed out by the salary cap building a good 4th line should be a pretty simple job for a GM but apparently not for us, I get Winnipeg is a tough sell but it's not that tough of a sell, really wish we would of offered Nickushkin a couple 100K more to come to Winnipeg instead of Colorado and NOT signed Bourque. I get that the Jets didn't win it all when they were bigger and tougher but they were undeniably better then they are now.

I like Patrick and every time I watched the Flyers when he was healthy he had 2C written all over him but his injury history is a concern and honestly I just don't see Philly as having any reason to give him away, they have the cap space and time to let him heal and it's not like he can demand some huge raise considering he hasn't played, would be a nice buy low candidate but I don't see why Philly would sell low on him.

Jet fuel, I may have to read that a few times to get everything, sorry I tend to skim long ones.

I don’t get all the toughness talk, yes I agree we need a bit more toughness and sandpaper but it has to come from skilled guys, not just bad tough grinders. We have been considered one of the toughest, biggest teams for the past 5-6 and have only gone on one run, so I can’t see how Everyone assumes that’s the missing piece.

As for 2nd line centers, one to consider taking a chance on is Nolan Patrick, Couturier and Hayes are both centres for sure for the Flyers, Girioux and Laughton have both play center and wing this year. So that’s 4 already, add in all the centers coming up in their system and Patrick is absolutely expendable for them. With his injury history and being an RFA the cost can not be astronomical.
- Ross77

Wanting to sign Granlund, a perfect 2C, to play wing made me distrust his post a bit.
Declaring Copp an underwhelming 2C when all he’s ever done is produce in that position, while calling Lowry a 4C, and considering Eakin an actual NHL player has me triggered

Wanting to sign Granlund, a perfect 2C, to play wing made me distrust his post a bit.
Declaring Copp an underwhelming 2C when all he’s ever done is produce in that position, while calling Lowry a 4C, and considering Eakin an actual NHL player has me triggered
- Rexypoo

I think you have been drinking the Paul Maurice Kool-Aid where only the top 2 lines priduce. You have to have a team that can produce over 4 lines. Cop is a perfect 3rd line center that can 30-40 points a year and actually shutdown opponents top two lines. Playing him as a second line center, is setting him up for failure.

I think you have been drinking the Paul Maurice Kool-Aid where only the top 2 lines priduce. You have to have a team that can produce over 4 lines. Cop is a perfect 3rd line center that can 30-40 points a year and actually shutdown opponents top two lines. Playing him as a second line center, is setting him up for failure.
- TheUltimateJet

I see what you are saying but everyone gets far to caught up on ranking your #2 or #3 center. If they play the same minutes, does it matter?

I see what you are saying but everyone gets far to caught up on ranking your #2 or #3 center. If they play the same minutes, does it matter?
- Ross77

Based on offensive production it does. Look I know that Copp is an analytics darling. That's good for him, the main question that comes up is: can he finish? The answer to that question is pretty evident based on the stats he produces. Is Copp a guy I want out in the last minute of a game where we are down a goal or two? Definitely not! Is he a guy I want out there when we are up one or two? Definitely yes!

Copp is great at the third line role!