Based on offensive production it does. Look I know that Copp is an analytics darling. That's good for him, the main question that comes up is: can he finish? The answer to that question is pretty evident based on the stats he produces. Is Copp a guy I want out in the last minute of a game where we are down a goal or two? Definitely not! Is he a guy I want out there when we are up one or two? Definitely yes!

Copp is great at the third line role!
- TheUltimateJet

Can Nick Backstrom finish? You don’t have to be a sniper to play in the top 6. The only reason Copp didn’t finish with 50 points this season is because he just didn’t have the minutes. His rate of production was just fine

Can Nick Backstrom finish? You don’t have to be a sniper to play in the top 6. The only reason Copp didn’t finish with 50 points this season is because he just didn’t have the minutes. His rate of production was just fine
- Rexypoo

You are comparing Backstrom with Copp?

Lol

Can Nick Backstrom finish? You don’t have to be a sniper to play in the top 6. The only reason Copp didn’t finish with 50 points this season is because he just didn’t have the minutes. His rate of production was just fine
- Rexypoo

Copp played 17:42 a game and finished with 26 points. That would have been a 33 point season.
Give him 2nd pp time and he basically becomes a new 40 point Little.

You are comparing Backstrom with Copp?

Lol
- TheUltimateJet

Yes. They’re fairly close in 2020

Copp played 17:42 a game and finished with 26 points. That would have been a 33 point season.
Give him 2nd pp time and he basically becomes a new 40 point Little.
- BWJumper

And who was he playing with? If the answer was, say, Connor and Wheeler, he would be producing alot more while fixing their issues defensive and play driving issues

Yes. They’re fairly close in 2020
- Rexypoo

In which category? Theoretically a 26 year old Copp should be closing the gap on a 32 year old Backstrom.

Next thing you will be telling me that Lowry is like Crosby.

Lol

And who was he playing with? If the answer was, say, Connor and Wheeler, he would be producing alot more while fixing their issues defensive and play driving issues
- Rexypoo

Who cares if they drive play or not, they have the talent to capitalize on their chances!

Copp drives the play and unfortunately does not have skills to consistently capitalize on his chances no matter how much you want him to.

Who cares if they drive play or not, they have the talent to capitalize on their chances!

Copp drives the play and unfortunately does not have skills to consistently capitalize on his chances no matter how much you want him to.
- TheUltimateJet

What point are you making? Connor just proved he will provide nothing without 55. So you want him on the 3rd or 4th line to? Copp can’t finish, yes, although he did have more goals in the play in’s than wheeler, Shiefele, connor and Laine combined. The point is, if you put him on a line with people who can finish, that’s good. Arguing Copp is a bottom 6 cause he can’t score is the same as saying Connor is as well cause he can’t score with anybody but your best center.

Who cares if they drive play or not, they have the talent to capitalize on their chances!

Copp drives the play and unfortunately does not have skills to consistently capitalize on his chances no matter how much you want him to.
- TheUltimateJet

Because our top line really wasn’t creative enough to be useful. Connor AND Scheifele can both go 40/40 next year, but if they’re together and with Wheeler, they’re likely losing us games.

The point is that Copp elevates his linemates, and creates chances for them. Connor can’t create, so a passer like Wheeler and a play driver like Copp will see all 3 improve

What point are you making? Connor just proved he will provide nothing without 55. So you want him on the 3rd or 4th line to? Copp can’t finish, yes, although he did have more goals in the play in’s than wheeler, Shiefele, connor and Laine combined. The point is, if you put him on a line with people who can finish, that’s good. Arguing Copp is a bottom 6 cause he can’t score is the same as saying Connor is as well cause he can’t score with anybody but your best center.
- Ross77

The ideal top 6 using the current group is:
Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Copp-Wheeler

Finisher, playmaker, and play driver on every line. With Ehlers and Copp playing the best defence.

What point are you making? Connor just proved he will provide nothing without 55. So you want him on the 3rd or 4th line to? Copp can’t finish, yes, although he did have more goals in the play in’s than wheeler, Shiefele, connor and Laine combined. The point is, if you put him on a line with people who can finish, that’s good. Arguing Copp is a bottom 6 cause he can’t score is the same as saying Connor is as well cause he can’t score with anybody but your best center.
- Ross77

In Connor's defense, he had 3 games to adjust to life without Scheifele as his center.

You and Rexy are both arguing that a 26 year old guy with a career best 28 points is your answer to our center problem.

You guys can both do better than that!

Laine, Wheeler and Ehlers can't score without Scheifele either.

Hypothetically speaking. Jets win the first overall pick. They want to draft Stutzle. If that's the case, they should trade down and make Ottawa pay a premium for the pick.
- TheUltimateJet

I disagree. Stutzle has mostly played wing and is only projected to have the skillset that would transition to an NHL center. His contribution with the Jets will be delayed since Maurice will never trust a prospect with mostly wing experience to jump straight to center.

Quinton Byfield is the guy the Jets need the most. He's one of the youngest players in the draft and is 6'4" 215 pounds as a 17 year old. People complain how the Flames pushed the Jets around. This won't happen with him. He's projected to be a first line center that will develop up to the same level as Mark Scheifele and Auston Matthews.

Wanting to sign Granlund, a perfect 2C, to play wing made me distrust his post a bit.
Declaring Copp an underwhelming 2C when all he’s ever done is produce in that position, while calling Lowry a 4C, and considering Eakin an actual NHL player has me triggered
- Rexypoo

Go on any hockey blog or fan site and ask Minnesota Wild fans when the last time Granlund has played center, it's been a very long time and apparently he wasn't too successful at it the latest time he was playing down the middle, also Nashville traded Fiala for Granlund yet still thought it was necessary to sign Duchene, if Granlund was a center I'm pretty sure the Duchene signing doesn't happen, maybe he could play center again idk but I was just relaying what I've been told by many Wild fans, if you don't like what I said that's fine but I'm not making that up for poops and giggles.. Lol.. Honestly I think Granlund is like Perreault, played center years ago and websites still list him as a C/LW when really he's been a LW for years, these sites really need to update their info.

Copp was underwhelming at 2C and if we broke down his production this season how much of it came when he was at 2C, 3C and 3LW, I'm sure some of it was when he was at 3C and 3LW which was probably softer match ups. I like him and he's an okay player but he's really not a top 6 forward, he's done well at 3C, it's really where he should be utilized, he's not a long term solution to the 2C hole.

Lowry is a 4th line talent, he just is, people can cling to fancy stats but the guy is an offensive black hole, he's not even comparable to the 3C's of recent cup winners, a lot of those guys are probably low end 2C's, the Jets would of been in a far better position this season of they had a 3C that could actually move to the 2nd line like so many other teams have.
Eakin had a poor playin against Calgary but he's an NHL player, I hope he doesn't play anymore games for the Jets though.

In Connor's defense, he had 3 games to adjust to life without Scheifele as his center.

You and Rexy are both arguing that a 26 year old guy with a career best 28 points is your answer to our center problem.

You guys can both do better than that!

Laine, Wheeler and Ehlers can't score without Scheifele either.
- TheUltimateJet

Both Ehlers and Laine HAVE done exactly that (Ehlers actually outproduced all of them on his own for years now), and Connor struggled for like 2 straight months literally this same season away from Scheifele.

Also, remember that time Vegas decided to put a 25 year old center with a career high of 10 goals and 25 points, which didn’t even happen in the same season, on their top line?

Go on any hockey blog or fan site and ask Minnesota Wild fans when the last time Granlund has played center, it's been a very long time and apparently he wasn't too successful at it the latest time he was playing down the middle, also Nashville traded Fiala for Granlund yet still thought it was necessary to sign Duchene, if Granlund was a center I'm pretty sure the Duchene signing doesn't happen, maybe he could play center again idk but I was just relaying what I've been told by many Wild fans, if you don't like what I said that's fine but I'm not making that up for poops and giggles.. Lol.. Honestly I think Granlund is like Perreault, played center years ago and websites still list him as a C/LW when really he's been a LW for years, these sites really need to update their info.

Copp was underwhelming at 2C and if we broke down his production this season how much of it came when he was at 2C, 3C and 3LW, I'm sure some of it was when he was at 3C and 3LW which was probably softer match ups. I like him and he's an okay player but he's really not a top 6 forward, he's done well at 3C, it's really where he should be utilized, he's not a long term solution to the 2C hole.

Lowry is a 4th line talent, he just is, people can cling to fancy stats but the guy is an offensive black hole, he's not even comparable to the 3C's of recent cup winners, a lot of those guys are probably low end 2C's, the Jets would of been in a far better position this season of they had a 3C that could actually move to the 2nd line like so many other teams have.
Eakin had a poor playin against Calgary but he's an NHL player, I hope he doesn't play anymore games for the Jets though.
- JetFuel

You haven’t said anything here.
-I don’t care what a Wild fan says vs the actual results.
-Copp has produced every time he’s been given elevated minutes. Breaking down his point totals to say he scored the most on line 3 is pointless. We know that already. That’s where he is 95% of the time.
-Lowry is actually pretty good offensively when he has a shooter to feed. You know, like we literally just saw with Harkins.

Both Ehlers and Laine HAVE done exactly that (Ehlers actually outproduced all of them on his own for years now), and Connor struggled for like 2 straight months literally this same season away from Scheifele.

Also, remember that time Vegas decided to put a 25 year old center with a career high of 10 goals and 25 points, which didn’t even happen in the same season, on their top line?
- Rexypoo

What has Laine done without Scheifele?

What has Laine done without Scheifele?
- TheUltimateJet

Scored 44 goals, and ran almost a point per game this season

Now address the rest of what I said

In Connor's defense, he had 3 games to adjust to life without Scheifele as his center.

You and Rexy are both arguing that a 26 year old guy with a career best 28 points is your answer to our center problem.

You guys can both do better than that!

Laine, Wheeler and Ehlers can't score without Scheifele either.
- TheUltimateJet

Prove to me Ehlers can not, please. Guess what you’ll find out, he produces the same with or without Shiefele and doesn’t actually need him at all.

Scored 44 goals, and ran almost a point per game this season

Now address the rest of what I said
- Rexypoo

If that's the case, then how come you have Laine with Scheifele in every single one of your proposed line combinations?

Prove to me Ehlers can not, please. Guess what you’ll find out, he produces the same with or without Shiefele and doesn’t actually need him at all.
- Ross77

That's great! Ehlers produces better without Laine as well. Maybe it's Laine that holds Ehlers back. This post season just proved that!

If that's the case, then how come you have Laine with Scheifele in every single one of your proposed line combinations?
- TheUltimateJet

Because, and hear me out here... best shot in world + best playmaker on team = most goals possible.
More goal = More win.

Go on any hockey blog or fan site and ask Minnesota Wild fans when the last time Granlund has played center, it's been a very long time and apparently he wasn't too successful at it the latest time he was playing down the middle, also Nashville traded Fiala for Granlund yet still thought it was necessary to sign Duchene, if Granlund was a center I'm pretty sure the Duchene signing doesn't happen, maybe he could play center again idk but I was just relaying what I've been told by many Wild fans, if you don't like what I said that's fine but I'm not making that up for poops and giggles.. Lol.. Honestly I think Granlund is like Perreault, played center years ago and websites still list him as a C/LW when really he's been a LW for years, these sites really need to update their info.

Copp was underwhelming at 2C and if we broke down his production this season how much of it came when he was at 2C, 3C and 3LW, I'm sure some of it was when he was at 3C and 3LW which was probably softer match ups. I like him and he's an okay player but he's really not a top 6 forward, he's done well at 3C, it's really where he should be utilized, he's not a long term solution to the 2C hole.

Lowry is a 4th line talent, he just is, people can cling to fancy stats but the guy is an offensive black hole, he's not even comparable to the 3C's of recent cup winners, a lot of those guys are probably low end 2C's, the Jets would of been in a far better position this season of they had a 3C that could actually move to the 2nd line like so many other teams have.
Eakin had a poor playin against Calgary but he's an NHL player, I hope he doesn't play anymore games for the Jets though.
- JetFuel

Here’s how I see Copp and Lowry, it’s not how much offense they put up that matters, it’s how much they outscore their opponents. The goal in hockey is to win, it doesn’t matter if you win 2-1 or 7-6. Now Connor-Shiefele-Wheeler got outscored by their opponents all year! Yes they all put up points, but as a line they helped us lose more than win, where Copp and Lowry help you win. So what’s more important ? Winning hockey games and being a playoff team or having multiple players in the top 20 scoring leaders but being outside the playoffs?

That's great! Ehlers produces better without Laine as well. Maybe it's Laine that holds Ehlers back. This post season just proved that!
- TheUltimateJet

Well, actually no. Laine is a complete player now, so he can more than hold his own. Even in the past, the issue was more Little than Laine.
That’s why Stastny worked between them, but Little wasn’t good unless he had both Perreault and Ehlers to push play

In Connor's defense, he had 3 games to adjust to life without Scheifele as his center.

You and Rexy are both arguing that a 26 year old guy with a career best 28 points is your answer to our center problem.

You guys can both do better than that!

Laine, Wheeler and Ehlers can't score without Scheifele either.
- TheUltimateJet

I know Ehlers spent some time with Scheifele this season but he didn't spend it all with him and he had a pretty good season just the same, his even strength point totals were amongst some of the top players in the league.
Copp's not a 2C, funny that anyone would even argue it really, if this team hadn't lost Little they're probably sitting in Dallas's position right now and if they had a better 3C that could step in the 2nd line center job they're likely still in that position with the seasons Ehlers, Laine and Connor had, one slightly better center option would of made a big difference, like I said in my original post, this organization needs more 2/3C's and less 3/4C's.

That's great! Ehlers produces better without Laine as well. Maybe it's Laine that holds Ehlers back. This post season just proved that!
- TheUltimateJet

That’s a funny way of saying you are wrong about Ehlers