Lafrenier and Mathews would be the second coming of Crosby/ Malkin

Lafrenier and Mathews would be the second coming of Crosby/ Malkin
- spazzbot

except LAF is a LW not a center

The Leafs would experience a huge improvement with Lafreniere. He is the player they are missing. He has skill, more important, he has grit, plays physical and steps up his game under pressure.

If the Leafs win the lottery they might try to move both Marner and/or Nylander. These are really nice players in the regular season. But you don't need figure skaters in the playoffs. Moving Nylander and Marner would enable the Leafs to go after some serious help on defence.
- spatso

dude, the playerS they are missing are all on D. they have 2 legit NHL dmen right now, and are praying that lillegren and sandin turn into NHL players. they have (frank)ing Ceci playing on their top pair.

if you think the player they "need" is a top line LWer then you're insane.

I think Malkin still has good value. He only has 2 years left on his contract at $9.5M and scored well over a point a game in the regular season this year. He may have been hurt this playoffs? I would think a team in 'win now' mode would be interested in getting him - what about Colorado - he'd be a heck of a second line centre (he still won't be 'The Man' lol) behind MacKinnon and they'd be able to form two really good lines. They've got the cap space. Maybe if its for a retool for the Pens would take Byram and a first from the Avs?

Also Letang is a RHD, so he'd slot beside, not behind Chabot. I don't think that's a good idea though as he doesn't match the age group of the rest of the Sens and the rebuild there.
- flyer4ever75

The hard part with Malkin is that he is still in his 30's and is $9.5M that's a big pill to swallow. I'd love to see him in a Sens uniform but we already kind of have too many forwards.

It's also fairly common for RHD to play the left side so they can get a better shot off. Letang has done this quite a lot in his career.

The reason I say a player like Letang or Pietrangelo is because I think with the young core of D we have both here and developing. A vet D would do nothing but boost their game and is they can still play at a high level then all the better.

We did the same thing with both Methot and Gonchar for Karlsson.

the leafs draft Lafreniere is just diminishing returns at this point. they already have the 2nd or 3rd best offense in the NHL, so it's not like Lafreniere is going to significantly boost their offense. their issues are on the back end and in goal, and Lafreniere isn't going to help there at all.
- sensarmy_11

Leafs draft Lafreniere, trade Marner for defence. Team gets cap relief plus huge upgrade on D.
I'm not sure why you think that adding Lafreniere would not be a massive plus for the Leafs.

Leafs draft Lafreniere, trade Marner for defence. Team gets cap relief plus huge upgrade on D.
I'm not sure why you think that adding Lafreniere would not be a massive plus for the Leafs.
- SensFan25

which team can take on an 11 million dollar cap hit AND give up a top dman to do it?

Marner is a great player, but his contract hurts his trade value a lot. if he was signed to a reasonable contract, then fine, but he isn't. Nylander is signed to a good contract, but Nylander alone doesn't get them a top pairing dman.

the only way they get a top pairing dman, assuming they win the lottery, is to trade the pick.

1st overall and Nylander to CBJ for Seth Jones and a pick.....or something like that.

dude, the playerS they are missing are all on D. they have 2 legit NHL dmen right now, and are praying that lillegren and sandin turn into NHL players. they have (frank)ing Ceci playing on their top pair.

if you think the player they "need" is a top line LWer then you're insane.
- sensarmy_11

I guess you did not read my post.

Well I guess we are fully into summer hockey talk.

The summer talking season is always delayed until the Leafs finally exit the playoffs. I guess this year, they did not even make the playoffs.

Anyway, I guess we can start with our assessment on how great the Leafs will be next year.

which team can take on an 11 million dollar cap hit AND give up a top dman to do it?

Marner is a great player, but his contract hurts his trade value a lot. if he was signed to a reasonable contract, then fine, but he isn't. Nylander is signed to a good contract, but Nylander alone doesn't get them a top pairing dman.

the only way they get a top pairing dman, assuming they win the lottery, is to trade the pick.

1st overall and Nylander to CBJ for Seth Jones and a pick.....or something like that.
- sensarmy_11

lol...

lol...
- SensFan25

Not sure why you’re laughing, that’s a really good starting point for a deal.

I guess you did not read my post.
- spatso

Oh, I read it, and ignored the part where you think the leafs could move almost 20 mil in cap space........they can’t move Marner, his contract is awful so they wouldn’t get value for him

Not sure why you’re laughing, that’s a really good starting point for a deal.
- sensarmy_11

Not too long ago, you were ready to trade Ottawa's 3 first round picks for the #1 overall to get Lafreniere. Now you say that Lafreniere++ is worth Seth Jones + a pick. lol...

Not too long ago, you were ready to trade Ottawa's 3 first round picks for the #1 overall to get Lafreniere. Now you say that Lafreniere++ is worth Seth Jones + a pick. lol...
- SensFan25

I said 3 and 5 for 1, never all 3.

And the leafs are in a VERY different position than Ottawa is

I said 3 and 5 for 1, never all 3.

And the leafs are in a VERY different position than Ottawa is
- sensarmy_11

You had been proposing all 3 Ottawa first round picks in the past. That is a lock.

But that is separate from a very significant overpay of Lafreniere++ for Seth Jones and a pick. Why would the Leafs ever offer that? Despite Marner's contract being an overpay, he still has very significant value as an elite offensive forward. The Leafs could deal Nylander for a very solid, young top defender. There are a number of very good options for the Leafs.

Your initial premise that Lafreniere going to the Leafs would not be a huge boost is a bad one.

You had been proposing all 3 Ottawa first round picks in the past. That is a lock.

But that is separate from a very significant overpay of Lafreniere++ for Seth Jones and a pick. Why would the Leafs ever offer that? Despite Marner's contract being an overpay, he still has very significant value as an elite offensive forward. The Leafs could deal Nylander for a very solid, young top defender. There are a number of very good options for the Leafs.

Your initial premise that Lafreniere going to the Leafs would not be a huge boost is a bad one.
- SensFan25

I might have proposed it earlier in the year, long before we knew how good the SJ pick would be......but I never once made that proposal once the season shut down and the draft order was close to set.

as for the deal, the leafs are desperate for 2 things...….defence and cap space...and every team in the league knows it.

Seth Jones is easily one of the 3 best Dmen in the league, and he's only 25.....he is the EXACT player the leafs need. he's signed to an amazing deal, which only increases his value......which is already sky high.

Jones is worth INFINITELY more than Nylander, so if CBJ makes the pick in that deal their own 1st rd pick....that's not a bad deal. Leafs get cap space, get one of the best dmen in the league, and can use the CBJ draft pick to pick a forward (Lapierre or someone similar) to replace Nylander

I might have proposed it earlier in the year, long before we knew how good the SJ pick would be......but I never once made that proposal once the season shut down and the draft order was close to set.

as for the deal, the leafs are desperate for 2 things...….defence and cap space...and every team in the league knows it.

Seth Jones is easily one of the 3 best Dmen in the league, and he's only 25.....he is the EXACT player the leafs need. he's signed to an amazing deal, which only increases his value......which is already sky high.

Jones is worth INFINITELY more than Nylander, so if CBJ makes the pick in that deal their own 1st rd pick....that's not a bad deal. Leafs get cap space, get one of the best dmen in the league, and can use the CBJ draft pick to pick a forward (Lapierre or someone similar) to replace Nylander
- sensarmy_11

You guys need couples counselling. Please stop fighting. Is it MY fault? Are you gonna get a divorce? Am I gonna have to move Granny Naynay's house in Kentucky?

I might have proposed it earlier in the year, long before we knew how good the SJ pick would be......but I never once made that proposal once the season shut down and the draft order was close to set.

as for the deal, the leafs are desperate for 2 things...….defence and cap space...and every team in the league knows it.

Seth Jones is easily one of the 3 best Dmen in the league, and he's only 25.....he is the EXACT player the leafs need. he's signed to an amazing deal, which only increases his value......which is already sky high.

Jones is worth INFINITELY more than Nylander, so if CBJ makes the pick in that deal their own 1st rd pick....that's not a bad deal. Leafs get cap space, get one of the best dmen in the league, and can use the CBJ draft pick to pick a forward (Lapierre or someone similar) to replace Nylander
- sensarmy_11

Seth Jones is easily one of the 3 best Dmen in the league - top 10 maybe

Jones is worth INFINITELY more than Nylander - I never said Nylander would get Seth Jones, so why are you bringing it up? Nylander is absolutely worth what was suggested.

as for the deal, the leafs are desperate for 2 things...….defence and cap space...and every team in the league knows it. - That doesn't mean that somehow the Leafs are going to be taken to the cleaners in a trade of valuable assets.

You guys need couples counselling. Please stop fighting. Is it MY fault? Are you gonna get a divorce? Am I gonna have to move Granny Naynay's house in Kentucky?
- PavohnDatsvares

We were never married... and besides, nothing wrong with a little back and forth.

Well I guess we are fully into summer hockey talk.

The summer talking season is always delayed until the Leafs finally exit the playoffs. I guess this year, they did not even make the playoffs.

Anyway, I guess we can start with our assessment on how great the Leafs will be next year.
- spatso

Congrats to the Leafs fans for a decent season, and then technically not even making the actual playoffs. When you boil it down, they literally did nothing more than the Sens did this year except win a few more games.

It's amazing how every October the Leafs are cup contenders, yet they haven't won a series in SIXTEEN years! Ed freaking Belfour was the last goalie to win a series in a Leafs jersey. Half the kids on hockeybuzz don't know who that is, let alone remember how amazing he was in Chicago and Dallas. Mats Sundin was their captain, and that's long enough ago that he's already in the HHoF.

I kid you not, I had a dream last night that TO won the lottery. It better not be a premonition. But if indeed they DO land Lafrenière, it will just further prove that they can continually be HANDED everything (via lottery luck and free agency), and STILL suck like no other.

Not sure why you’re laughing, that’s a really good starting point for a deal.
- sensarmy_11

He's laughing, and so am I, because the pick in this discussion was the 1st overall. So you're saying Lafrenière AND Nylander... For Jones +?

*More like Jones ++++ for Lafrenière. And they wouldn't be able to fit Jones until they removed Nylander's salary in a different trade.

He's laughing, and so am I, because the pick in this discussion was the 1st overall. So you're saying Lafrenière AND Nylander... For Jones +?

*More like Jones ++++ for Lafrenière. And they wouldn't be able to fit Jones until they removed Nylander's salary in a different trade.
- PavohnDatsvares

Still not sure why you think it’s funny. It’s not like LAF is a Crosby or McDavid type player here. If the leafs offered the pick straight up for Jones, I highly doubt CBJ does it......then the leafs add Nylander and CBJ adds their 2020 1st (probably in the late teens).

It’s a good deal. You guys are HILARIOUSLY underrating the value of Jones

You guys need couples counselling. Please stop fighting. Is it MY fault? Are you gonna get a divorce? Am I gonna have to move Granny Naynay's house in Kentucky?
- PavohnDatsvares

Congrats NYR.

Thank the hockey gods the Leafs did not get this pick.

It’s now official, the leafs gave up the 13th overall pick to get rid of Marleau. That team is (frank)ed.

It’s now official, the leafs gave up the 13th overall pick to get rid of Marleau. That team is (frank)ed.
- sensarmy_11

Unless they make trades, they will only have 1 pick (in round 2) in the top 100 or so