i like hearing leaf-nation takes...

mucho garcia


edit...and btw, that "yet"...i think he's got it in him to be a real good, fast, two-way winger
- Michael Pachla

I think so too but 4 years at 16 million seems like a risk that doesn't need to be taken. He will be coming off of the lacerated wrist as well so there are some question marks there, a trade seems like a more reasonable option, could extend him for less and give him a couple more years to develop.

He is paid to score goals, which admittedly he struggled with last season.

Like the leafs, the top end players on the the sabres isnt the problem

I would also argue skinner has more battle, or fire or whatever you want to call it than any of the leaf forwards
- ieetbred

You will probably see one top-end Leaf player dealt after 4 playoffs of nothing. Nylander most likely if they can move that contract.

And seeing that Skinner is a battler is a Sabres fan view, few others would say that. Watching players in the playoffs and not floating like Skinner is an interesting take.

You will probably see one top-end Leaf player dealt after 4 playoffs of nothing. Nylander most likely if they can move that contract.

And seeing that Skinner is a battler is a Sabres fan view, few others would say that. Watching players in the playoffs and not floating like Skinner is an interesting take.
- GilPerreault11

We will see a top end player from the leafs moved because they are in cap jail and they need to reshape their roster. Dealing from a position of strength

We have the opportunity to support our top end players in a different way than the leafs and we all better hope the right decisions are made

Again what old vets did he bring in other than Frolic. And could those UFA'S been on purpose hoping that some of his picks might start hitting the system, and taking spots.
- Buff36

Beaulieu, Pominville, Frolik, Berglund, Sobotka, Scandella, Vesey, Sheary, Simmonds, Hutton, Miller, Montour and I'm sure im missing more.

I already gave you the options available at the time who could have taken those spots and achieved the same poopty results. He squandered picks for trash.

He was straight up garbage. He essentially swapped ROR for Joker, Kane for Skinner and he drafted Dahlin and Cozens like Murray drafted Eichel and Reinhart. They both missed on picks - Nylander and Mitts. He achieved the same thing as Murray - nothing.

He sucked.

You will probably see one top-end Leaf player dealt after 4 playoffs of nothing. Nylander most likely if they can move that contract.

And seeing that Skinner is a battler is a Sabres fan view, few others would say that. Watching players in the playoffs and not floating like Skinner is an interesting take.
- GilPerreault11

Skinner is a scrub. maybe Toronto would want to trade a bad contract for a bad contract and we can take nylander for skinner. Hometown boy, we get younger.

Skinner is a scrub. maybe Toronto would want to trade a bad contract for a bad contract and we can take nylander for skinner. Hometown boy, we get younger.
- Fattony1187

They need to shed salary, not take it on lol

Sure, but Montour was playing wing, left D and with different partners all the time.

Miller sucked the first half, was in and out, and then was excellent to end the year.

Jokiharju is the teams best RD, and by next year it probably won’t be close
- sbroads24

Joker had a great first half playing next to Scandella.. He wasn't the same after the trade. That said, he's gonna be a good one.

He's on vacation
- RawDog

Like Forrest Gump's dad? Hopefully?

Skinner is a scrub. maybe Toronto would want to trade a bad contract for a bad contract and we can take nylander for skinner. Hometown boy, we get younger.
- Fattony1187

William Nylander, playing for a coach who didn’t like him scored 7 goals in 54 games two years ago.

Was moved back with Matthews and #1 PP time had 31 goals and 59 points in 68 games this year.

Sounds familiar

Skinner literally pisses off every team he plays against because he battled and agitated and is always around the net.

Remember when Yandle jumped him?
- sbroads24

A little known fact about him.

I also remember the team not backing him when that happened

I think so too but 4 years at 16 million seems like a risk that doesn't need to be taken. He will be coming off of the lacerated wrist as well so there are some question marks there, a trade seems like a more reasonable option, could extend him for less and give him a couple more years to develop.
- 13sundin13

The Leafs aren't going to trade him. They desperately need a quality value contract and he looks like their best bet

Beaulieu, Pominville, Frolik, Berglund, Sobotka, Scandella, Vesey, Sheary, Simmonds, Hutton, Miller, Montour and I'm sure im missing more.

I already gave you the options available at the time who could have taken those spots and achieved the same poopty results. He squandered picks for trash.

He was straight up garbage. He essentially swapped ROR for Joker, Kane for Skinner and he drafted Dahlin and Cozens like Murray drafted Eichel and Reinhart. They both missed on picks - Nylander and Mitts. He achieved the same thing as Murray - nothing.

He sucked.
- jcragcrumple

Not 1 of those options you gave were worth a poop or ready to take that step yet, or had been given a chance already and failed, and this list you just named off atleast had some kind of pedigree before coming here, did they work NO, is that on Botts yes and no. Botts failed and deserved to be fired. But Murray drained the system to a point where trades had to be made to supplement the horrible drafting that was done during his tenure. You have your opinions like I have mine, they were both bad and hurt the franchise.

Not 1 of those options you gave were worth a poop or ready to take that step yet, or had been given a chance already and failed, and this list you just named off atleast had some kind of pedigree before coming here, did they work NO, is that on Botts yes and no. Botts failed and deserved to be fired. But Murray drained the system to a point where trades had to be made to supplement the horrible drafting that was done during his tenure. You have your opinions like I have mine, they were both bad and hurt the franchise.
- Buff36

Of course it's on Botterill. He brought them in and they were hot garbage. That's the nature of the gig.

Of course it's on Botterill. He brought them in and they were hot garbage. That's the nature of the gig.
- jcragcrumple

Coaching had nothing to do with anything.

Coaching had nothing to do with anything.
- Buff36

He hand-picked two coaches!

Coaching had nothing to do with anything.
- Buff36

It had/has a ton to do with it.

Connor Sheary is magically good again in Pitt.

Jimmy Vesey of course didn’t score what he literally did 3 straight seasons before.

He hand-picked two coaches!
- jcragcrumple

Are you taking over for Hatboro

It had/has a ton to do with it.

Connor Sheary is magically good again in Pitt.

Jimmy Vesey of course didn’t score what he literally did 3 straight seasons before.
- sbroads24

Vesey was a whopping 3 points off his career PPG average for the season.

I cant believe you guys are still defending JB

It had/has a ton to do with it.

Connor Sheary is magically good again in Pitt.

Jimmy Vesey of course didn’t score what he literally did 3 straight seasons before.
- sbroads24

Risto was better, Jack had his best year; VO had a breakout rookie year; Joker was a player, Larsson who you love had one of his best years. That whole line came to play. I guess they liked Ralph.

You can manipulate the story the way you want but the truth will set us free.

Are you taking over for Hatboro
- Buff36

Me? Clearly JB is the new "raw deal" winner

Brad Richardson would be a hell of a grab for 3rd line center.

He hand-picked two coaches!
- jcragcrumple

Let's hope the second one is better.

Me? Clearly JB is the new "raw deal" winner
- jcragcrumple

He didn't do enough, but there's a lot of blame to go around. He deserved to be let go.

Vesey was a whopping 3 points off his career PPG average for the season.

I cant believe you guys are still defending JB
- jcragcrumple

He’s gone, I’m 100% fine with it because it’s obvious the biggest issues were above him, and frankly he didn’t do enough

He failed to fix a bad situation he walked into.

You can’t say Adams is walking into a situation as remotely bad as Botterill walked into. Saying otherwise is revisionist

He’s gone, I’m 100% fine with it because it’s obvious the biggest issues were above him, and frankly he didn’t do enough

He failed to fix a bad situation he walked into.

You can’t say Adams is walking into a situation as remotely bad as Botterill walked into. Saying otherwise is revisionist
- sbroads24

Boards it doesn't matter, it will be on him anyways.