I agree with gergeswillems. Murray will cost and asset plus a good chunk of salary when there are cheaper options who are just as good, if not better, and can be acquired for free. He will also unnecessarily tie up a roster spot and salary for years.

I don't understand the reasoning behind paying for an average-at-best placeholder. Murray is too slow to ever be a top 10 goalie unless he is on a world-beater team and doesn't have to do much. Other parts of his game need work, too (positioning, rebound control, glove side, etc.). He's never been a good puck handler.

I'll be shocked if JR gets more than a 3rd for Murray.

As for Schultz, again, why? He's also a FA, btw. It's like signing Trevor Daley. If you're looking for a vet placeholder until the kids are ready, ok. But you don't need to pay for a guy like that and he's certainly not going to show the kids how to play hockey. He's pretty terrible at this point, even on the 3rd pairing.
- Hockey66

For sure, I know he’s UFA ( I made that note). The defense is just so bad right now. Our vets were hurt for so much of the year. Having a Dman to give even a little bit of on ice presence while the kids work their way into the league would just be a welcome addition. For sure, it’s a stop gap and you shouldn’t give up too much. I was just doing a package trade for his negotiating rights (before the FA window) and Murray’s. It’s well noted though, he is having some struggles. I really appreciate the feedback!

For sure, I know he’s UFA ( I made that note). The defense is just so bad right now. Our vets were hurt for so much of the year. Having a Dman to give even a little bit of on ice presence while the kids work their way into the league would just be a welcome addition. For sure, it’s a stop gap and you shouldn’t give up too much. I was just doing a package trade for his negotiating rights (before the FA window) and Murray’s. It’s well noted though, he is having some struggles. I really appreciate the feedback!
- Jeremy Laura

If injured vets were a problem for the Wings last season, then definitely steer clear of Schultz.

If injured vets were a problem for the Wings last season, then definitely steer clear of Schultz.
- Hockey66

Dude, mic drop

Dude, mic drop
- Jeremy Laura

If I seem gruff, it's because I'm still fired up about the Pens disgraceful exit two years in a row now and all of the stupidity coming out of the organization. I'm happy to give you a Pen's fan perspective and I understand if you aren't completely knowledgeable about our players. I have a hard enough time just keeping up with the Pens roster players, let alone Pens prospects or players on other teams.

As many posters have stated Murray seems to have lost his confidence. The only way the Red Wings acquire Murray would be on the cheap, otherwise go the UFA route.

If I seem gruff, it's because I'm still fired up about the Pens disgraceful exit two years in a row now and all of the stupidity coming out of the organization. I'm happy to give you a Pen's fan perspective and I understand if you aren't completely knowledgeable about our players. I have a hard enough time just keeping up with the Pens roster players, let alone Pens prospects or players on other teams.
- Hockey66

Not at all! I just thought that was a killer one liner! Drop the mic and take a bow sir!

I am so grateful that you’re popping in. It’s awesome to get that “home team” perspective. You’re passionate about your club and have way more knowledge on hand that I do when it comes to the construction. Well done

Not at all! I just thought that was a killer one liner! Drop the mic and take a bow sir!

I am so grateful that you’re popping in. It’s awesome to get that “home team” perspective. You’re passionate about your club and have way more knowledge on hand that I do when it comes to the construction. Well done
- Jeremy Laura

As many posters have stated Murray seems to have lost his confidence. The only way the Red Wings acquire Murray would be on the cheap, otherwise go the UFA route.
- Bigfrog

Every athlete has the “mental battle”, but no one’s struggles are more obvious than a pitcher, Quarterback and a goalie. When a goalie is an inch or two out of position it’s a disaster. I hope these guys have a sports psychologist (or regular psychologist) they trust. It’s hard to get out of your own way and move ahead sometimes. Add a ton of pressure and it just snowballs

Every athlete has the “mental battle”, but no one’s struggles are more obvious than a pitcher, Quarterback and a goalie. When a goalie is an inch or two out of position it’s a disaster. I hope these guys have a sports psychologist (or regular psychologist) they trust. It’s hard to get out of your own way and move ahead sometimes. Add a ton of pressure and it just snowballs
- Jeremy Laura

I had a mental battle watching Jimmy Howard play. I doubt I'll ever recover.

I had a mental battle watching Jimmy Howard play. I doubt I'll ever recover.
- gergeswillems

Dude, the mental scars I have are life-altering..... Wasn't a battle, it was a BOTTLE (or more.... ) watching him play "Be Like Swiss Cheese" every time in net. My therapist said....well, it wasn't good

I think it'd be a decent deal for at least a year, see what happens. What've we got to lose? Another 49 games?!?!?!

Dude, the mental scars I have are life-altering..... Wasn't a battle, it was a BOTTLE (or more.... ) watching him play "Be Like Swiss Cheese" every time in net. My therapist said....well, it wasn't good

I think it'd be a decent deal for at least a year, see what happens. What've we got to lose? Another 49 games?!?!?!
- mcmastermike1968

If Jimmy Howard ever plays another game for the Detroit Red Wings, I'll have a nervous breakdown. I can't take it. I just can't.

If Jimmy Howard ever plays another game for the Detroit Red Wings, I'll have a nervous breakdown. I can't take it. I just can't.
- gergeswillems

I’m with you on this. That would be a rough run to go through again.

Jack Johnson(50%) and Matt Murray for 3rd. Buyout Johnson

Jack Johnson(50%) and Matt Murray for 3rd. Buyout Johnson
- Mathwil3

Why would Yzerman buyout Jack Johnson@50% when he can just sign a UFA goalie? If he's going to buy a player out his last name should be Abdelkader or Nielsen.

Why would Yzerman buyout Jack Johnson@50% when he can just sign a UFA goalie? If he's going to buy a player out his last name should be Abdelkader or Nielsen.
- gergeswillems

Ummmmm, JJ at 50% w/ Matt Murray for a turd,..... er 3rd.
OK, why not keep JJ around for a year or 2 for that price, and if he warrants a buy-out then by all means........


Letang might be another possibility.....he has 2 yrs at $7.5M Pitt retains some salary and we get a pick as well and send back joe Hicketts or Erne or what?

Ummmmm, JJ at 50% w/ Matt Murray for a turd,..... er 3rd.
OK, why not keep JJ around for a year or 2 for that price, and if he warrants a buy-out then by all means........


Letang might be another possibility.....he has 2 yrs at $7.5M Pitt retains some salary and we get a pick as well and send back joe Hicketts or Erne or what?
- HenryHockey

I see no reason the Penguins would trade Letang for prospects.

I see no reason the Penguins would trade Letang for prospects.
- j.boyd919

I agree on this one. He’s an important part of the core still. It would have to be an impact player, but still a hard guy to give up.

Matt Murray and 15th pick in round 1 for Svechnikov.
- j.boyd919

you uh.... are you thinking of the wrong Svechnikov or....?

you uh.... are you thinking of the wrong Svechnikov or....?
- BINGO!

Shhhhhhhhh

you uh.... are you thinking of the wrong Svechnikov or....?
- BINGO!

Not cool man! We’re trying to close a deal!

you uh.... are you thinking of the wrong Svechnikov or....?
- BINGO!

On the flip though, your Svech is insanely good. He’s insanely strong and has sick mitts. What a beast

you uh.... are you thinking of the wrong Svechnikov or....?
- BINGO!

Killjoy.

Killjoy.
- gergeswillems

This is why I love this group. Hilarious

you uh.... are you thinking of the wrong Svechnikov or....?
- BINGO!

Nah. Matt Murray has regressed. It’s a buyers market for tendies. His value ain’t poop. Pens need a cheap RW since they just announced they won’t spend to the cap.

Nah. Matt Murray has regressed. It’s a buyers market for tendies. His value ain’t poop. Pens need a cheap RW since they just announced they won’t spend to the cap.
- j.boyd919

ooooookie dokie.