You actually just gave yourself away and now I know 100% this is an alt, but you got it. Let the ignoring begin!
- Rinosaur

Well, as you like to say about peoples' opinions, "you are wrong." But because you "know 100%" (even though you are wrong), then I'm really glad I won't be having any more discussions with you. I do remember that guy and enjoyed his input, that is, until you ran him off with your insane proclamations and immature confrontations.

Also, the concept of Bjug being the best option at 3C is a trap. He would be if he could ever be counted on to be healthy but he won't be. The organization will know this and contingency plan. That means inefficiently deployed assets and cap space.
- MacPatty

I'd keep him if I had any faith in him staying healthy. I just don't. I'm so sick of the parade of injuries every season.

Well, as you like to say about peoples' opinions, "you are wrong." But because you "know 100%" (even though you are wrong), then I'm really glad I won't be having any more discussions with you. I do remember that guy and enjoyed his input, that is, until you ran him off with your insane proclamations and immature confrontations.
- Hockey66

I've been ignoring him for a while now. I wish there was a block/ignore button on these boards.

The point being missed here is that the team cares about cash, not cap. In two years, Crosby's 8.7M cap will be 3M in cash. Thats a big advantage for the organization financially.

Bjugstad will be gone. His 4m cap is 5m cash. I'll take horny over bjugstad every day.

When you look at Pens trade targets look at guys mid contract that had some front loading. Thats who they will be hunting for if all of this nonsense is true.
- MacPatty

That's a really good point - totally forgot about that aspect of contracts. Agree about Horny vs. Bjug (as I've already stated). You are totally right about Bjug - his was back-loaded and it's actually $5.25M cash. This really changes things. Him and Horny are the same actual cash.

Well, as you like to say about peoples' opinions, "you are wrong." But because you "know 100%" (even though you are wrong), then I'm really glad I won't be having any more discussions with you. I do remember that guy and enjoyed his input, that is, until you ran him off with your insane proclamations and immature confrontations.
- Hockey66

You’re supposed to be ignoring me!

The first game was 50/50. They're skating circles around Philly right now.
- madmike71

I imagine they're pretty fired up for their coach. Hope he's ok. Funny how I couldn't stand him when he was in Boston, but now I don't mind him at all, even when his team is destroying the Pens.

I've been ignoring him for a while now. I wish there was a block/ignore button on these boards.
- chimpira

Likewise.

What may help Murray’s value is that there’s really not many good UFA goalies when there is a good amount of teams who are in need a goalie. Holtby could stay in Washington. Markstrom will stay in Vancouver. Lehner will get paid. I could definitely see a team giving up a little more if they agree to a deal before a trade for Murray.

Also, the concept of Bjug being the best option at 3C is a trap. He would be if he could ever be counted on to be healthy but he won't be. The organization will know this and contingency plan. That means inefficiently deployed assets and cap space.
- MacPatty

Yea if they don't wanna waste money then Bjugstad is way gone, can't count on him to be healthy.

What may help Murray’s value is that there’s really not many good UFA goalies when there is a good amount of teams who are in need a goalie. Holtby could stay in Washington. Markstrom will stay in Vancouver. Lehner will get paid. I could definitely see a team giving up a little more if they agree to a deal before a trade for Murray.
- drummer829

Is Vegas buying out Fleury? I would imagine they will try and trade first if they are going with Lehner. So either way a goalie is coming out of Vegas I would imagine.

What may help Murray’s value is that there’s really not many good UFA goalies when there is a good amount of teams who are in need a goalie. Holtby could stay in Washington. Markstrom will stay in Vancouver. Lehner will get paid. I could definitely see a team giving up a little more if they agree to a deal before a trade for Murray.
- drummer829

Also I could see Washington signing Holtby then leaving him exposed to Seattle if they don't feel the young goalie is ready. I forget his name haha.

What may help Murray’s value is that there’s really not many good UFA goalies when there is a good amount of teams who are in need a goalie. Holtby could stay in Washington. Markstrom will stay in Vancouver. Lehner will get paid. I could definitely see a team giving up a little more if they agree to a deal before a trade for Murray.
- drummer829

Well, in terms of save percentage this past season, Murray ranks 12th among FA goalies (just above Holtby, coincidentally). Most are in their mid to late 30s.

https://www.capfriendly.c...s/2021/Sv/all/goalies/ufa

Murray has been average to below average the last 3 years. Maybe there is a team who thinks he can turn it around on a new team. He is still young and he has won a couple of Cups (with the help of MAF), so maybe there is a team or two that values him significantly more than others. I think his return tops out at a 3rd and I think his next contract will be in the $4-$5M range. I won't be too surprised if I am wrong and I hope that I am.

Well, in terms of save percentage this past season, Murray ranks 12th among FA goalies (just above Holtby, coincidentally). Most are in their mid to late 30s.

https://www.capfriendly.c...s/2021/Sv/all/goalies/ufa

Murray has been average to below average the last 3 years. Maybe there is a team who thinks he can turn it around on a new team. He is still young and he has won a couple of Cups (with the help of MAF), so maybe there is a team or two that values him significantly more than others. I think his return tops out at a 3rd and I think his next contract will be in the $4-$5M range. I won't be too surprised if I am wrong and I hope that I am.
- Hockey66

Yea honestly he hasn't been the same since his dad passed unfortunately. Maybe a change of scenery does actually help Murr. So like you said maybe a team thinks he can turn it around. But yea he's not getting anywhere near 8mil lol

I can see why someone might overvalue Murray. A better gm/coach might be like Murray was great until jj came along and the defence went to poop. Let’s take a chance since maybe we are a more structured defensive team. If Fleury in his prime switched teams with say Rask/Thomas his numbers would of jumped off the charts and the B’s goalies would of went down due to system differences. That’s just the Pitt way.

Also what’s the actual salary for geno and letang? We’re they front loaded like sids? If so can still spend to the cap and technically be there 5-10m below it. Otherwise hopefully that report was bs because that’s starting to sound like the late 90’s sell off days.

I thought Letang was the worst of him, Sid and Geno. His passing was crap, so many errant ones, and his speed was definitely down a few notches. He led the team with 9 giveaways (next closest was 5) along with 0 goals and 0 apples.

This should not be mistaken for me thinking Tanger should be traded... I just think he wasnt very good at all and hardly anyone is talking about it.
- MattStrat

he didnt have a good series. youre right. but agreed, trading him at this point, nostalgia factor aside, is lunacy for a number of reasons. no replacement, cost certainty, and likewise with geno, the return isnt what it was going to be four or five years ago.

Also what’s the actual salary for geno and letang? We’re they front loaded like sids? If so can still spend to the cap and technically be there 5-10m below it. Otherwise hopefully that report was bs because that’s starting to sound like the late 90’s sell off days.
- 10inchTerror

Geno and Letang are flat across the board but Geno has about half in bonus, not sure when it pays out but if there is a cash crunch he would go before it gets paid.

Honestly, I think the whole money thing is a message to JR. No more stupid contracts. JR always sends these messages through the media to the players, I believe this is the owners doing the same thing back to him.

I can see why someone might overvalue Murray. A better gm/coach might be like Murray was great until jj came along and the defence went to poop. Let’s take a chance since maybe we are a more structured defensive team. If Fleury in his prime switched teams with say Rask/Thomas his numbers would of jumped off the charts and the B’s goalies would of went down due to system differences. That’s just the Pitt way.

Also what’s the actual salary for geno and letang? We’re they front loaded like sids? If so can still spend to the cap and technically be there 5-10m below it. Otherwise hopefully that report was bs because that’s starting to sound like the late 90’s sell off days.
- 10inchTerror

Their actual salary is the same as their cap hits for the entirety of their contracts, although Malkin has signing bonuses the last two years (which sounds funny and I don't know what impact that has). All the info is here if you just click on their names:

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/penguins

Their actual salary is the same as their cap hits for the entirety of their contracts, although Malkin has signing bonuses the last two years (which sounds funny and I don't know what impact that has). All the info is here if you just click on their names:

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/penguins
- Hockey66

Maybe they want to straddle geno with jj to save on that 5.5m bonus his last 2 years haha

Tanner Pearson has been really good for the Canucks

Tanner Pearson has been really good for the Canucks
- Thorny87

Some players just don't play well on other teams. Look at Perron, he looked cooked then goes back to the blues and is good again.

Maybe they want to straddle geno with jj to save on that 5.5m bonus his last 2 years haha
- 10inchTerror

Ok, here is some info on signing bonuses if you are interested:

Signing bonuses can be payable in any year of a contract's duration. Also, notably, because they are due on July 1 prior to the start of each season (or upon signing in the case of contracts signed after July 1) they must be paid even in the event of a lockout. Signing bonuses may also provide tax advantages to players, depending on the jurisdiction of their team and/or the jurisdiction of their off-season residence.

If a contract with signing bonus(es) is bought out, the remaining signing bonus(es) is/are still paid in full as they are due and their full cap hits are charged in the year(s) they are paid, with only the base salary being paid and charged against the cap at the reduced rate over an extended period of time. If a player retires, any remaining signing bonus(es) is/are no longer payable.

I'm guessing they put the bonuses at the end in case Malkin retired before the end of the contract?

Tanner Pearson has been really good for the Canucks
- Thorny87

3 goals and 3 assists in 5.5 playoff games is not too shabby.

Some players just don't play well on other teams. Look at Perron, he looked cooked then goes back to the blues and is good again.
- 668710

I'm starting to notice a trend.

Vigneault and the Flyers are crying about Muller putting out his #1PP at the end of the game.

What a bïtch

https://twitter.com/bardo.../1294440014336712705?s=21

Go Ilses!

Some players just don't play well on other teams. Look at Perron, he looked cooked then goes back to the blues and is good again.
- 668710

I don't think Pearson was given enough time. Sometimes players just go through spells. He played 44 games, scored 9 goals and 4 assists. Ok, not great, but he kept get shuffled around the lineup. He wasn't producing, but he was playing well. They should have just given him some more time. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think the Pens were too impatient.