I mean so you're saying there a chance at us getting Mcdavid.... yup lets do that hahahahaha

I was saying put a package together, Maybe the Islanders 1st and a player and prospect, etc to for #4.

Ottawa had more then enough prospects.... I could be day dreaming but I think Rossi could fit into Ottawa's line up quite well. Especially if we are already covered with prospects like Byfield at forward and Drysdale on the back end.
- Maverick1818

I hear you and respect your opinion.

But it would take a massive package to do that

Brown was NHL ready this year. So was Batherson, Chlapick, Balcers, Paul, Hogberg. Look around the league other teams keep their kids on the big team although they're not ready to be impact players. But here in Ottawa we believe all the crap Smith tells us and the media that has to check with the Sens org before making any statement. Some of us have dabbled in the art of player evaluation in the pass and sometimes we see things differently.

P. S. Even Brown's agent was upset when they cut him. Player agents hire scouts to evaluate their clients so the disagreement was not unfounded.
- granpa

This is an important post.

Ottawa does not do a good job in developing their prospects. They are too quick to send kids back to junior and they hold players in the minors far too long.Contrary to popular belief kids are better to be challenged. Teams like Boston do a great job in accelerating player development. I understand the majority of kids need to go back down and grow their talent. But. a kid that is ready needs to be challenged.

A big kid like Byfield needs to play against men. Maybe he gets protected minutes. But a 17 year old 6'4" who will hit 235lbs will not grow his game playing against 5'10" 165 lbs juniors

This is an important post.

Ottawa does not do a good job in developing their prospects. They are too quick to send kids back to junior and they hold players in the minors far too long.Contrary to popular belief kids are better to be challenged. Teams like Boston do a great job in accelerating player development. I understand the majority of kids need to go back down and grow their talent. But. a kid that is ready needs to be challenged.

A big kid like Byfield needs to play against men. Maybe he gets protected minutes. But a 17 year old 6'4" who will hit 235lbs will not grow his game playing against 5'10" 165 lbs juniors
- spatso

If the team develop like this, they NEED to be patient. Not trade Silfverberg for Ryan or Zibanejad for Brassard

The charity scandal did not recieve the same attention when the 'journalist' had to apologize for writing opinions as fact . But thats today world, the damage was done.. I would think Chris Phillips would only have joined up , if he did his due dilligence and believes its a good move.

The charity scandal did not recieve the same attention when the 'journalist' had to apologize for writing opinions as fact . But thats today world, the damage was done.. I would think Chris Phillips would only have joined up , if he did his due dilligence and believes its a good move.
- spazzbot

Think there needs to be some healing between the Sens and the original charity interests. Some of the best charitable options were fully engaged within the old group. Hopefully, Chris Phillips will be able to manage some repairs to the wounds that have been inflicted on both sides of multiple charitable networks.

Yeah as many have noted, I'd entertain 5+NYI, but even that seems rich. My deal would be to take Lundqvist for next year, give them the cap relief they need, and trade them the 5 for #1. Of course, the King has an NMC so that will never happen. But that's my ideal deal.

This is an important post.

Ottawa does not do a good job in developing their prospects. They are too quick to send kids back to junior and they hold players in the minors far too long.Contrary to popular belief kids are better to be challenged. Teams like Boston do a great job in accelerating player development. I understand the majority of kids need to go back down and grow their talent. But. a kid that is ready needs to be challenged.

A big kid like Byfield needs to play against men. Maybe he gets protected minutes. But a 17 year old 6'4" who will hit 235lbs will not grow his game playing against 5'10" 165 lbs juniors
- spatso

Absolutely! Last year I saw Belleville play approx 40 times and we have some very good kids down there. I saw them play against other top prospects and they dominated (they finished #1). Brown and Batherson were dominant (1+ pts per game), Norris is a pure sniper from right side (???RW), Formenton was excellent (annoying to play against), Balcers goal scorer and Chlapick can play everywhere effectively, Abramov is OK but can disappear, Lajoie was very good near the end of season (seems to find his game), Brannstrom needs to stick to what he is (carries the puck too much and holds it too long), Wolanin is an NHL D, Jarros was not noticeable but steady. Both goalie prospects played well but are not NHL ready yet. Nobody knows where these kids will end up but they should be in the conversation about the future of this team. That's why some of them should have been in Ottawa last year getting a lot of reps and handled by patient teaching coaches.

Last year was still part of the 'tear down' phase. .. bring in a new culture of work ethic, maximize the role and potential value of veterans like Pageau, Duclair, Brown, Tierney, and DeMelo, give many of the best prospects another year of AHL development, and focus on the 2020 draft as the pivot point of the rebuild. This is the year where you should really be seeing guys like Batherson, Norris, Formenton, Hogberg, Wolanin, and Brannstrom in the NHL without question... plus at least one of the 3/5 picks, if not both.

It may not immediately result in wins, but if nothing else they should be a very entertaining group to watch. The one thing I still want to see them do is find a way to better insulate Chabot with a decent defensive-minded d-man. Even a guy like Brendan Smith (who the Rangers put on waivers not long ago) would be better than putting Chabot out there with Zaitsev for another year. Perhaps that's another element of a #1-for-#3 Rangers deal?

Last year was still part of the 'tear down' phase. .. bring in a new culture of work ethic, maximize the role and potential value of veterans like Pageau, Duclair, Brown, Tierney, and DeMelo, give many of the best prospects another year of AHL development, and focus on the 2020 draft as the pivot point of the rebuild. This is the year where you should really be seeing guys like Batherson, Norris, Formenton, Hogberg, Wolanin, and Brannstrom in the NHL without question... plus at least one of the 3/5 picks, if not both.

It may not immediately result in wins, but if nothing else they should be a very entertaining group to watch. The one thing I still want to see them do is find a way to better insulate Chabot with a decent defensive-minded d-man. Even a guy like Brendan Smith (who the Rangers put on waivers not long ago) would be better than putting Chabot out there with Zaitsev for another year. Perhaps that's another element of a #1-for-#3 Rangers deal?
- khawk

Everytime a pleasure to read you Khawk

Sens could steal 2022 3rd round pick if islander win Stanley cup. Lol

Last year was still part of the 'tear down' phase. .. bring in a new culture of work ethic, maximize the role and potential value of veterans like Pageau, Duclair, Brown, Tierney, and DeMelo, give many of the best prospects another year of AHL development, and focus on the 2020 draft as the pivot point of the rebuild. This is the year where you should really be seeing guys like Batherson, Norris, Formenton, Hogberg, Wolanin, and Brannstrom in the NHL without question... plus at least one of the 3/5 picks, if not both.

It may not immediately result in wins, but if nothing else they should be a very entertaining group to watch. The one thing I still want to see them do is find a way to better insulate Chabot with a decent defensive-minded d-man. Even a guy like Brendan Smith (who the Rangers put on waivers not long ago) would be better than putting Chabot out there with Zaitsev for another year. Perhaps that's another element of a #1-for-#3 Rangers deal?
- khawk

I believe Ottawa delayed the rebuild by not promoting the top prospects to the NHL last season. Carolina, Chicago, New York, Vancouver just to name a few seem to have success promoting the kids sooner. They hire good teaching coaches and continue their development in the NHL. Instead Dorion went out and signed a bunch washed up grunts. So next year they'll have to start from scratch.

We keep 3 & 5 (frank) giving up all that for laffy!

Byfield/stutzle


Rossi/raymond.


Ideally byfield/stutzle and rossi. Let's get this 2020/2021 on the road with the 3 and 5 playing this year and looking sexy in these new 2D jersey.. Ya dig?!?!??!

Yeah as many have noted, I'd entertain 5+NYI, but even that seems rich. My deal would be to take Lundqvist for next year, give them the cap relief they need, and trade them the 5 for #1. Of course, the King has an NMC so that will never happen. But that's my ideal deal.
- Bartacus

I expect that is far from the NYR’s ideal deal, though.
The 1st overall isn’t moving unless it’s for a ridiculous haul.
We are only a couple years and a couple players from being very relevant again.

I expect that is far from the NYR’s ideal deal, though.
The 1st overall isn’t moving unless it’s for a ridiculous haul.
We are only a couple years and a couple players from being very relevant again.
- Tonybere

Being relevant starts by keeping 3 and 5.☺️

To Ottawa

F Alex Steen
F Tyler Bozak
2020 1st round pick

To St. Louis

F Bobby Ryan [20% salary retained by OTT]
prospect

Blues save $5m in cap space & Ryan having a fresh start is a win-win. Sens get a 1st rounder and spend only 500k more in first year and spend only 1.45 on Ryan in year 2 (saving 5.8m in actual cash)

thoughts?

To Ottawa

F Alex Steen
F Tyler Bozak
2020 1st round pick

To St. Louis

F Bobby Ryan
- AlfieisKing[20% salary retained by OTT]
prospect

Blues save $5m in cap space & Ryan having a fresh start is a win-win. Sens get a 1st rounder and spend only 500k more in first year and spend only 1.45 on Ryan in year 2 (saving 5.8m in actual cash)

thoughts?

All of them will not make it. But you can figure on a minimum of 10 rookie forwards fighting for opening night roster spots. Think about #3 (Stutzle) and #5 (Rossi) plus all the Belleville guys knocking on the door, including Batherson, Logan Brown, Norris, Formenton, Balcers, Abramov and Chlapik. I think we will also see Shane Pinto sign and come to camp. Pinto has an NHL game and he is close to being ready.

You have 5 guys fighting to win a defensive opening night start. Braanstrom, Thomson and Lajoie will push for a roster spot. I expect JBD to come out of North Dakota and Zub will also be in the mix.

We are talking 15 guys with an honest chance of making the team.

Not sure Sens should be looking to do any deal where they would be taking back a player that would be getting ice time. We are in full mode development and NHL ice time is a precious commodity for all these kids.

I expect that is far from the NYR’s ideal deal, though.
The 1st overall isn’t moving unless it’s for a ridiculous haul.
We are only a couple years and a couple players from being very relevant again.
- Tonybere

but is LAF that player? you guys are already very set on LW with Kreider and Panarin.

To Ottawa

F Alex Steen
F Tyler Bozak
2020 1st round pick

To St. Louis

F Bobby Ryan
- AlfieisKing[20% salary retained by OTT]
prospect

Blues save $5m in cap space & Ryan having a fresh start is a win-win. Sens get a 1st rounder and spend only 500k more in first year and spend only 1.45 on Ryan in year 2 (saving 5.8m in actual cash)

thoughts?

that's a terrible trade for the blues, unless that prospect is name batherson or brannstrom or someone similar.

but is LAF that player? you guys are already very set on LW with Kreider and Panarin.
- sensarmy_11

Lafreniere projects to be head and shoulders better than Kreider. Why would we be content to let him walk? Kreider has 4 years of NTC, then a change could be made. By then he will be 3rd on the depth chart unless someone switches wings.
Like you guys, we have several prospects that are looking to make the jump within the next 2 seasons. We have no reason to trade a cost-controlled, potential superstar for a package of picks or lesser talent. We certainly need a 2C, but there are so many strengths to our near-future roster that I really hope Gorton and Co. hold their cards and see how the hand develops at this time.
Really interested to see how things shape up for you guys, too! What a crazy amount of picks to shake and bake with. Too bad you can't trade for a new owner!!

Lafreniere projects to be head and shoulders better than Kreider. Why would we be content to let him walk? Kreider has 4 years of NTC, then a change could be made. By then he will be 3rd on the depth chart unless someone switches wings.
Like you guys, we have several prospects that are looking to make the jump within the next 2 seasons. We have no reason to trade a cost-controlled, potential superstar for a package of picks or lesser talent. We certainly need a 2C, but there are so many strengths to our near-future roster that I really hope Gorton and Co. hold their cards and see how the hand develops at this time.
Really interested to see how things shape up for you guys, too! What a crazy amount of picks to shake and bake with. Too bad you can't trade for a new owner!!


- Tonybere

I was more thinking of trading the pick for a stud young C right now....someone like Eichel, Barkov, etc.

I agree that trading it for other picks makes no sense given where your organization is.......but trading it for someone like Eichel makes a lot of sense. he wants out of Buffalo, and having him next season makes you almost a playoff lock, if not a contending team already.............as long as you can overlook the fact that he seems to be a giant douche. would just need to move hank to make the $$ work.

something like

1st rd pick
Deangelo
Hank

for

eichel
McCabe

or something similar

salary works, trading an a-hole for an a-hole, and both teams get what they need.

3/5 is an overpayment. Should just keep both. only pick in play should be the Isles pick if any at all.

I was more thinking of trading the pick for a stud young C right now....someone like Eichel, Barkov, etc.

I agree that trading it for other picks makes no sense given where your organization is.......but trading it for someone like Eichel makes a lot of sense. he wants out of Buffalo, and having him next season makes you almost a playoff lock, if not a contending team already.............as long as you can overlook the fact that he seems to be a giant douche. would just need to move hank to make the $$ work.

something like

1st rd pick
Deangelo
Hank

for

eichel
McCabe

or something similar

salary works, trading an a-hole for an a-hole, and both teams get what they need.
- sensarmy_11

That does make more sense than getting picks back. But, acquiring another contract like Eichel's puts us dangerously close to following the Maple Leafs team development model. I would imagine any Sens fan would understand the folly of that path. I would rather be patient and allow our youth to develop.
Plus, you touched on my other problem here: Eichel DOES seem to be a giant douche! I want no part of a guy that feels justified in walking into the GM's office and trying to stick his nose into management business. We seem to be generating a really good atmosphere in NY. No need to upset that for a contract we don't need and a player that has baggage.

In some weaker drafts it may make sense to trade 3+5 for #1, but not this one.
I could see Melnyk pushing for it though, just to sell more merchandise and money in his cash strapped pocket. It would be a poor hockey move, but help marketing.

Also, not sure why NYR would not want to draft Laf - they are a big market team that likes big names more than anyone. Just because they have depth on wing now shouldn't change their decision to take the BPA.

Also, not sure why NYR would not want to draft Laf - they are a big market team that likes big names more than anyone. Just because they have depth on wing now shouldn't change their decision to take the BPA.
- CaliNewf

It's not about being disinterested in Lafreniere, it's about what kind of package teams like OTT/LAK might offer to move up from the Byfield/Stutzle position. If such a move yielded not only the #2/3 pick, but another good young player, quality draft pick, and some much-needed cap space, then it may be overall a more valuable package than just the marginal difference between Lafreniere and Byfield/Stutzle. If not, well then go ahead and draft Lafreniere.

that's a terrible trade for the blues, unless that prospect is name batherson or brannstrom or someone similar.
- sensarmy_11

I wouldn't say it's 'terrible' .....when you consider they save $5m in cap space and can use that money to sign their capitain Pietrangelo