I'd do this trade. JP is a risk, but so is Murray. Seems like pretty equal value. Maybe another team would offer more for JP, I don't know. I would rather get an NHL-ready starting player (which I assume JP is) than a draft pick for Murray.

Trade Murray to a team more desperate than EDM for a young G who has proven ability to win...like Minnesota. Murray + Bjugstad + 1st for Dumba + Fiala + Staal

As an Oilers and Red Wings fan, this is the guy you'd need to trade to Oilers for JP, both players need a new start. Koskinen is signed for another year at $4.5 mill and Holland needs to shore up forward and D while trying to get rid of Neal and Russell contracts to free up cap space so there's no cap room for Murray. Oilers need a big steady 3C. Red Wings need a goalie to team with Bernier while they reload.

Maybe there's a bigger trade to be made including bad contracts and prospects/picks and/or depth players to make it fair and the cap work that centers around Bjugstad and Puljujarvi.
- Lytes9

Pens fans would be thrilled with that trade. Patience wore thin with Bjugstad only playing 3 weeks this year. Honestly doesn't seem fair to you. He'll be available though and you can likely get him for less.

Pens might be in salary dump mode though so I don't think they'll do a salary swap with Bjugstad if they can help it. Might not have a choice.

Trade Murray to a team more desperate than EDM for a young G who has proven ability to win...like Minnesota. Murray + Bjugstad + 1st for Dumba + Fiala + Staal
- mventres

If Guerin believes in Murray then Minnesota is the obvious landing spot

If he has the same doubts and ? marks we do then it's a non starter

Murray and Bjugstad for Staal and I'm happy

If Guerin believes in Murray then Minnesota is the obvious landing spot

If he has the same doubts and ? marks we do then it's a non starter

Murray and Bjugstad for Staal and I'm happy
- TheGame316

Murray is worth quite a bit on the market I think...2 time cup winning goalies who are just entering their prime don't grow on trees. Plus he's RFA and won't get an enormous contract. He's also got a solid record and PIT's D has sucked so he has an excuse for a higher GAA.

Trading those two for just Staal (35yrs old, 3.25mil cap hit for 1 more year before FA/retirement) is nowhere near worth it.

Murray is worth quite a bit on the market I think...2 time cup winning goalies who are just entering their prime don't grow on trees. Plus he's RFA and won't get an enormous contract. He's also got a solid record and PIT's D has sucked so he has an excuse for a higher GAA.

Trading those two for just Staal (35yrs old, 3.25mil cap hit for 1 more year before FA/retirement) is nowhere near worth it.
- mventres

Bjug is a dump. He has zero value. It's a benefit just to move the contract, and you're getting back a better player at a premium position and price

Whoever trades for Murray is either going to have to take him to arbitration (once qualified he is guaranteed at least 3.75 million) or give him a deal with some term, which is a huge risk to a guy with 3 down years and is on the decline. He doesn't have value

Holtby, Lehner, Markstrom are all UFA goalies, not to mention the slew of teams willing to unload their starter (Anderson as an example) All have fewer question marks than Murray. The goalie market is not weak

Bjug is a dump. He has zero value. It's a benefit just to move the contract, and you're getting back a better player at a premium position and price

Whoever trades for Murray is either going to have to take him to arbitration (once qualified he is guaranteed at least 3.75 million) or give him a deal with some term, which is a huge risk to a guy with 3 down years and is on the decline. He doesn't have value

Holtby, Lehner, Markstrom are all UFA goalies, not to mention the slew of teams willing to unload their starter (Anderson as an example) All have fewer question marks than Murray. The goalie market is not weak
- TheGame316

I tend to agree with this, although Holtby might be cooked and I think Murray has some value, just not a lot. As someone else pointed out, all it takes is one GM, but I think the return will be underwhelming.

If Guerin believes in Murray then Minnesota is the obvious landing spot

If he has the same doubts and ? marks we do then it's a non starter

Murray and Bjugstad for Staal and I'm happy
- TheGame316

Yes, please. You make a good point about Guerin - I think he might be a trading partner as there are Pens players he probably likes, he has a good relationship with JR (I assume), and they are in the West.

What about Murray to Ottawa either for Connor Brown or Anthony DuClair (Both RFAs)? I know DuClair is a LW, but I like his game.

What about Murray to Ottawa either for Connor Brown or Anthony DuClair (Both RFAs)? I know DuClair is a LW, but I like his game.
- Rinosaur

Is it Zucker who can play RW? If we can't find a righty then someone has to go over there. That be if we got Duclair. I'd be down for Brown!

I tend to agree with this, although Holtby might be cooked and I think Murray has some value, just not a lot. As someone else pointed out, all it takes is one GM, but I think the return will be underwhelming.
- Hockey66

First thing is first, We HAVE to qualify Murray at 3.75 Million to keep his RFA rights. He can sign his qualifying offer and it's 1 year 3.75, or he can not sign and remain an RFA (and theoretically negotiate with other teams and get an offer sheet that we can either match, or get draft pick compensation)

Assuming that doesn't happen (offer sheet), the team that owns his rights can take him to arbitration, and Murray can select a 1 or 2 year deal. Arbitrator decides his $$ and Murray decides the years

or

Murray can take the team to arbitration and the team decides the years, either 1 or 2

Any team acquiring Murray needs to be comfortable at 2 years and at least 4-4.5 Million. That will lower his value in a trade considering his ? marks

A number of teams could be looking at goalie, just depends if they want an older UFA goalie or would be willing to pay for a longter term option. I think there are a lot of desperate and stupid GMs in the league, especially when it comes to goalies, so I'd bet someone makes us a good offer.

Edmonton would be a good option. Is Nurse any good? A lot of Oilers fans would like to see him traded. Anyway we can expand the package to get both Nurse and Puljujärvi?

I also liked the talk about guys like Domi and Bertuzzi. Domi seems like a good target since it seems like younger centers are passing him up in Montreal. I think his value is higher given his last name, but still is a guy I'd look at. Same thing with Bertuzzi.

I watched a YouTube video about Jack Johnson and his parents. God are his parents garbage human beings. They completely screwed their son over financially for their own benefit. It wasnt even like they took risks with his money and he lost it, they just wasted it on their own lives. Good lesson to always control your own finances.

First thing is first, We HAVE to qualify Murray at 3.75 Million to keep his RFA rights. He can sign his qualifying offer and it's 1 year 3.75, or he can not sign and remain an RFA (and theoretically negotiate with other teams and get an offer sheet that we can either match, or get draft pick compensation)

Assuming that doesn't happen (offer sheet), the team that owns his rights can take him to arbitration, and Murray can select a 1 or 2 year deal. Arbitrator decides his $$ and Murray decides the years

or

Murray can take the team to arbitration and the team decides the years, either 1 or 2

Any team acquiring Murray needs to be comfortable at 2 years and at least 4-4.5 Million. That will lower his value in a trade considering his ? marks
- TheGame316

In a way, though, this would benefit the acquiring team because they know that they are only on the hook for 2 years max in case Murray isn't able to turn it around. The money is on the low end for a starting goalie. I agree he has a lot of question marks and his value is low, but I think there could very well be at least one GM who would take a flier on him. I doubt it would come to an offer sheet, but do you know what the compensation would be?

Is it Zucker who can play RW? If we can't find a righty then someone has to go over there. That be if we got Duclair. I'd be down for Brown!
- 668710

I'm not sure how much success he's had there.

Two years too late just like trading letang. The book was out on MM more than 2 years ago and his value was highest. The more the rest of the league got to see MM the worse he has looked. Letang was also much more appealing to trade immediately following the back to back. Its really unfortunate the pens didn't have the balls to make these changes when they really could have retooled with quality draft picks and young players in return.

I sort of doubt EDM even wants a goalie. Koskinen is better than Murray and is signed for 2 more years at $4.5M per. I don't think goaltending was/is their most pressing issue. A .917 SV% is good enough behind that defense.

I'm not sure how much success he's had there.
- Rinosaur

I'd be more down for Brown then. But definitely a good idea.

I'd be more down for Brown then. But definitely a good idea.
- 668710

Is "Down for Brown" your new catchphrase?

Puljujarvi would be cool.

I look at the Leafs and see Marner, Kapanen and Nylander who are all right handed wingers which the Pens need. They also have Kerfoot who would be an upgrade at 3C.

Not sure Murray is a guy the Leafs would be going after but they have a lot of what the Pens need.

yeah. I really think your selling the Stanley cup fairy dust short. id be willing to bet my 98 f 150 that if Ruth put it out there ge was available a better trade would come about.

Puljujarvi would be cool.

I look at the Leafs and see Marner, Kapanen and Nylander who are all right handed wingers which the Pens need. They also have Kerfoot who would be an upgrade at 3C.

Not sure Murray is a guy the Leafs would be going after but they have a lot of what the Pens need.
- MacPatty

Just like with Detroit, I think Murray would be shell-shocked playing behind that defense. For his sake, I hope he doesn't go to either team. Also, Andersen is better and signed for one more year at $5M. They don't have to cap to add Murray.

Zucker played some RW this year, but from what I have read there's a drop off.

Nurse seems split. Some people think he's a problem, others think he'd be fine if he dropped to 2nd pair. He's big, great skater, and can move the puck but has defensive lapses. 5.6M cap hit next 2 years. About break even possession player.

If we went after him, Marino would be a good partner IMO. But do we want to trade assets and add that cap hit basically to add size?

Puljujarvi would be cool.

I look at the Leafs and see Marner, Kapanen and Nylander who are all right handed wingers which the Pens need. They also have Kerfoot who would be an upgrade at 3C.

Not sure Murray is a guy the Leafs would be going after but they have a lot of what the Pens need.
- MacPatty

Pens don’t need more pens type players.

Zucker played some RW this year, but from what I have read there's a drop off.

Nurse seems split. Some people think he's a problem, others think he'd be fine if he dropped to 2nd pair. He's big, great skater, and can move the puck but has defensive lapses. 5.6M cap hit next 2 years. About break even possession player.

If we went after him, Marino would be a good partner IMO. But do we want to trade assets and add that cap hit basically to add size?
- Tojo.

I'm assuming we would have to send them Petts to make this work but I sort of doubt they want want Murray, anyway, because they have Koskinen, who is a better goalie, for the next two years at $4.5M.

In a way, though, this would benefit the acquiring team because they know that they are only on the hook for 2 years max in case Murray isn't able to turn it around. The money is on the low end for a starting goalie. I agree he has a lot of question marks and his value is low, but I think there could very well be at least one GM who would take a flier on him. I doubt it would come to an offer sheet, but do you know what the compensation would be?
- Hockey66

A team could just sign a UFA for no compensation and they can call their shot, years and $$

Any team acquiring an unsigned Murray would be dealing with the ? of what exactly his contract will be

Unless you really believe in Murray (Guerin?) I don't see a team offering much. If anything, maybe we get their spare part for ours

I could see Ruth just not qualifying him and letting him walk UFA if he doesn't want to risk Murray getting 2 years 4 million per in Arbitration and being stuck on the Pens with Jarry being the guy