Pens don’t need more pens type players.
- 10inchTerror

Haha - good point. Doesn't Kapanen have some grit in his game? I wanted us to trade Kessel for Kap to complete the circle.

A team could just sign a UFA for no compensation and they can call their shot, years and $$

Any team acquiring an unsigned Murray would be dealing with the ? of what exactly his contract will be

Unless you really believe in Murray (Guerin?) I don't see a team offering much. If anything, maybe we get their spare part for ours

I could see Ruth just not qualifying him and letting him walk UFA if he doesn't want to risk Murray getting 2 years 4 million per in Arbitration and being stuck on the Pens with Jarry being the guy
- TheGame316

Yeah, I know a team could just sign a UFA instead, but most are old with no Cup-winning experience (let alone 2x). I'm guessing the Murray contract could be worked out as a part of the trade so the acquiring team would know exactly what they are getting. Personally, I wouldn't want any part of Murray, but I think some GM(s) will.

Haha - good point. Doesn't Kapanen have some grit in his game? I wanted us to trade Kessel for Kap to complete the circle.
- Hockey66

He plays hard for sure. Not big enough to be a physical presence but he plays gritty 2way hockey. Believe the Leafs used him quite a bit on the PK. Would love to get him back.

Pens don’t need more pens type players.
- 10inchTerror

Pens type players now are all mid to bottom 6 grinders. The one think Kessel brought was the ability to snipe and turn a break into a goal. I think the players I mentioned would provide a big offensive boost.

Here's a pure hypothetical.

Rangers have indicated they would trade the #1 for a top center. Would you trade 2 years of Geno for at least 7 years of Lafreniere?

Pens might need to add but we are talking hypothetical.

It'd be cool to get Kasperi Kapanen back. Feel like he’s on the trading block every single year. Leafs are in a tough spot with the cap, though. I don’t think they can bring in a guy like Murray without figuring out how to get Andersen out of town first, though. We wouldn’t be in a position to take Andersen back with Kapanen either if we’re still going to bring in a 3C. Kapanen not super expensive, but he ain’t cheap neither.

Here's a pure hypothetical.

Rangers have indicated they would trade the #1 for a top center. Would you trade 2 years of Geno for at least 7 years of Lafreniere?

Pens might need to add but we are talking hypothetical.
- MacPatty

Unless Malkin says he wants to go chase cups in New York, no. We do not sell Malkin to accelerate a rebuild.

It'd be cool to get Kasperi Kapanen back. Feel like he’s on the trading block every single year. Leafs are in a tough spot with the cap, though. I don’t think they can bring in a guy like Murray without figuring out how to get Andersen out of town first, though. We wouldn’t be in a position to take Andersen back with Kapanen either if we’re still going to bring in a 3C. Kapanen not super expensive, but he ain’t cheap neither.
- Victoro311

Id be going huge with the leafs and give them Murray and letang if he will go there and get nylander and kap back. I think the pens have a bit of what the leafs need and vice versa.

Id be going huge with the leafs and give them Murray and letang if he will go there and get nylander and kap back. I think the pens have a bit of what the leafs need and vice versa.
- taleisyreXIII

Really? Our defense would suck.

The real thing we’ve figured out here is that if the pens don’t trade Murray to the Oil for some dude that had success in beer league its just another Ruth failure.

Unless Malkin says he wants to go chase cups in New York, no. We do not sell Malkin to accelerate a rebuild.
- Victoro311

Wouldn't be against it if we could also snag Domi to be 2c

Really? Our defense would suck.
- 668710

He’s an anti-Letang guy.

Wouldn't be against it if we could also snag Domi to be 2c
- 668710

Sid gets all the credit because he wears the C, but we don’t have this era of Penguins hockey without Geno Malkin. Guys like Phil, Fleury, Letang, Murray, and Kunitz have all been high end and varying degrees of important, but everything this franchise owes to Crosby is owed in equal part to his top lieutenant. If you’re unwilling to trade Crosby to accelerate a rebuild because of what he means to our franchise, you should be unwilling to trade Malkin either.

It'd be cool to get Kasperi Kapanen back. Feel like he’s on the trading block every single year. Leafs are in a tough spot with the cap, though. I don’t think they can bring in a guy like Murray without figuring out how to get Andersen out of town first, though. We wouldn’t be in a position to take Andersen back with Kapanen either if we’re still going to bring in a 3C. Kapanen not super expensive, but he ain’t cheap neither.
- Victoro311

Hmmm...I'd be tempted to take back Andersen and just stick McCann at 3C and hope for the best. At least we'd have insurance for Jarry and just a one year commitment. Andersen has $4M in signing bonus and $1M in base salary - I don't know if that changes the equation.

In other news we decided to not sign Pavlychev. It’s never likely a 6th round pick is gonna make the NHL but I’d be lying if i said I wasn’t hoping we’d get to see a 7 foot russian in our sweater one day.

Sid gets all the credit because he wears the C, but we don’t have this era of Penguins hockey without Geno Malkin. Guys like Phil, Fleury, Letang, Murray, and Kunitz have all been high end and varying degrees of important, but everything this franchise owes to Crosby is owed in equal part to his top lieutenant. If you’re unwilling to trade Crosby to accelerate a rebuild because of what he means to our franchise, you should be unwilling to trade Malkin either.
- Victoro311

I get it, I'm a huge Geno fan I have his jersey he's my favorite Penguin. So I wouldn't move either of the big three unless it's for a guy like that. It would never happen so nothing to worry about,but If the Rangers actually would consider that trade you would have to entertain it.

In other news we decided to not sign Pavlychev. It’s never likely a 6th round pick is gonna make the NHL but I’d be lying if i said I wasn’t hoping we’d get to see a 7 foot russian in our sweater one day.
- Victoro311

I guess this means we'll have to sign Dadonov to make Geno happy.

MY fellow Pittsburgh fans have lampooned Murray's value far more than his play on the ice. An astute GM would find the stat posted in this blog a couple weeks back showing Murray's save % with JJ on ice vs his save % without JJ on ice.

I see so many people talking of how far Murray has fallen and how he wont reach potential, how bad he is. Thats just insane hyperbole from a fan set and media set still bitter that he pushed MAF out the door. Is Murray worth what he was after the 2017 Cup? Of course not. Is he a dump and run goalie? Hell No. The Pens lost to Montreal and the Islanders because of the inept play in front of their goalie.
I think his true value is higher than most Pens fans give him credit for but nowhere near the ceiling it once was. We can only hope opposing GM's dont hate Murray as much as the Pens fan base does or we wont get a bag of pucks in return.

What about this scenario? What if some other GM signed Jarry to an offer sheet for more than we expected to pay? would they let him walk and keep Murray?

I think a Murray trade for picks or a prospect in need of fresh start like Edmonton's Fin would be great. I just dont see it as a match from the EDM side though. What other teams need a goalie and would be willing to try MM? When can Seattle start acquiring players? Maybe there is the place to look

Too many people are trading Letang without replacing him. You cannot ask a second year player in John Marino, who very well might take a set back during his sophomore year, to take up that type of job.

Trading Letang creates more problems than it solves.

Of our top 6, I'd like 3 out of 6 to be on the block/let go in FA: Schultz, Pettersson, and Johnson. Letang/Dumo/Marino are not part of the problem.

MY fellow Pittsburgh fans have lampooned Murray's value far more than his play on the ice. An astute GM would find the stat posted in this blog a couple weeks back showing Murray's save % with JJ on ice vs his save % without JJ on ice.

I see so many people talking of how far Murray has fallen and how he wont reach potential, how bad he is. Thats just insane hyperbole from a fan set and media set still bitter that he pushed MAF out the door. Is Murray worth what he was after the 2017 Cup? Of course not. Is he a dump and run goalie? Hell No. The Pens lost to Montreal and the Islanders because of the inept play in front of their goalie.
I think his true value is higher than most Pens fans give him credit for but nowhere near the ceiling it once was. We can only hope opposing GM's dont hate Murray as much as the Pens fan base does or we wont get a bag of pucks in return.

What about this scenario? What if some other GM signed Jarry to an offer sheet for more than we expected to pay? would they let him walk and keep Murray?

I think a Murray trade for picks or a prospect in need of fresh start like Edmonton's Fin would be great. I just dont see it as a match from the EDM side though. What other teams need a goalie and would be willing to try MM? When can Seattle start acquiring players? Maybe there is the place to look
- Amanion

I don't know of any Pens fans who are bitter that Murray "pushed MAF out" or hate him. I love MAF (one of my favorite Pens of all-time) but I completely agreed with the decision back then because it made sense on many different levels. I don't begrudge Murray at all for that (that would be a strange reason to dislike a player since he had nothing to do with it).

I like Murray as a person and I hope the best for him. However, he has been an average to below average goalie for 3 years now with no signs that his level of play is improving. Goalies can be like that.

There is disagreement about Murray's value, which is fine, because it's very difficult to determine. But just like with other value disagreements, "we'll see" what happens. The market has a way of determining a player's value. It isn't perfect and there are definitely outliers (JJ, anyone?), but by and large, how much players are valued by the rest of the league becomes evident.

Too many people are trading Letang without replacing him. You cannot ask a second year player in John Marino, who very well might take a set back during his sophomore year, to take up that type of job.

Trading Letang creates more problems than it solves.

Of our top 6, I'd like 3 out of 6 to be on the block/let go in FA: Schultz, Pettersson, and Johnson. Letang/Dumo/Marino are not part of the problem.
- SuperHenderson13

Definitely agree, but I wouldn't move Pettersson either unless we get a lefty to go with Marino. Just move/bury/buyout JJ.

Sid gets all the credit because he wears the C, but we don’t have this era of Penguins hockey without Geno Malkin. Guys like Phil, Fleury, Letang, Murray, and Kunitz have all been high end and varying degrees of important, but everything this franchise owes to Crosby is owed in equal part to his top lieutenant. If you’re unwilling to trade Crosby to accelerate a rebuild because of what he means to our franchise, you should be unwilling to trade Malkin either.
- Victoro311

I absolutely agree that all of those guys were hugely important. I will counter though that for the right price, any of them are expendable.

You can love a player but realize that the franchise is better moving them.

With two years left on their contracts, this is peak value time for Letang and Geno. Im not saying they should be moved, but i do think it should be considered.

Letang I feel they can win without. He is fantastic, but they won a cup without him and if he brings back offensive firepower in return they can focus on outscoring opponents.

Geno is tougher as there aren't any great options out there to replace him with at center.

I don't know of any Pens fans who are bitter that Murray "pushed MAF out" or hate him. I love MAF (one of my favorite Pens of all-time) but I completely agreed with the decision back then because it made sense on many different levels. I don't begrudge Murray at all for that (that would be a strange reason to dislike a player since he had nothing to do with it).

I like Murray as a person and I hope the best for him. However, he has been an average to below average goalie for 3 years now with no signs that his level of play is improving. Goalies can be like that.

There is disagreement about Murray's value, which is fine, because it's very difficult to determine. But just like with other value disagreements, "we'll see" what happens. The market has a way of determining a player's value. It isn't perfect and there are definitely outliers (JJ, anyone?), but by and large, how much players are valued by the rest of the league becomes evident.
- Hockey66

I'm glad you replied, I was too exhausted to give that answer lol

Too many people are trading Letang without replacing him. You cannot ask a second year player in John Marino, who very well might take a set back during his sophomore year, to take up that type of job.

Trading Letang creates more problems than it solves.

Of our top 6, I'd like 3 out of 6 to be on the block/let go in FA: Schultz, Pettersson, and Johnson. Letang/Dumo/Marino are not part of the problem.
- SuperHenderson13

I dont think one player has to replace Letang. Roll 3 decent pairs on defence and run a stacked offense. It has worked before for them.

MY fellow Pittsburgh fans have lampooned Murray's value far more than his play on the ice. An astute GM would find the stat posted in this blog a couple weeks back showing Murray's save % with JJ on ice vs his save % without JJ on ice.

I see so many people talking of how far Murray has fallen and how he wont reach potential, how bad he is. Thats just insane hyperbole from a fan set and media set still bitter that he pushed MAF out the door. Is Murray worth what he was after the 2017 Cup? Of course not. Is he a dump and run goalie? Hell No. The Pens lost to Montreal and the Islanders because of the inept play in front of their goalie.
I think his true value is higher than most Pens fans give him credit for but nowhere near the ceiling it once was. We can only hope opposing GM's dont hate Murray as much as the Pens fan base does or we wont get a bag of pucks in return.

What about this scenario? What if some other GM signed Jarry to an offer sheet for more than we expected to pay? would they let him walk and keep Murray?

I think a Murray trade for picks or a prospect in need of fresh start like Edmonton's Fin would be great. I just dont see it as a match from the EDM side though. What other teams need a goalie and would be willing to try MM? When can Seattle start acquiring players? Maybe there is the place to look
- Amanion

Obviously there's multiple reasons for the last two disappointing post seasons, but Murray's stock is way down. Inconsistency+Health Issues+RFA status+Unknown salary demands....All of that adds up to limited return.

I heard Kevin Allen on the radio last week and he basically said the same thing. Said his reputation is not great around the league. When asked what the Pens will get for him he said "not much". TIFWIW.