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MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Aug 16 @ 11:23 PM ET
And ..this is a real arcane reference, and you may not remember, but I do.

Have you reconciled yourself to the fact that you have a labrum?

- PT21



Ha, yeah, I remember when they discovered the labrum.

All of a sudden around 2005, there's a labrum!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 11:24 PM ET
So we had this discussion of coaching after game 2. It’s believed that it’s not a coaching issue and it isn’t BUT even with Bill laying out Alain Vigneault’s resume, it’s still not perfect coaching. Love the structure of our game at even strength. He has kids under 23 on defense, defending men. That’s pretty remarkable. With this said, there aren’t any in game adjustments ever! Not on the power play. Not even Laughton is giving the puck to the other team. I feel like all the guys who go to the crease to score goals are all in the bottom six. James van Riemsdyk, Nick Aube-Kubel, Nate Thompson, Michael Raffl. All these guys are crash their net type of players and they’re separated from the skilled guys in the top six. They’re not being used on the power play. We just go with the same bland offensive approach every game.
- SuperSchennBros

they're sure no brayden schenns
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Aug 16 @ 11:24 PM ET
Arguably the flyers most important players also have young families at home.
I don’t know if this Is affecting any of them but it’s not hard to see they aren’t playing g to their capability.
The canadiens are just a tough matchup for the flyers.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 16 @ 11:25 PM ET
We saw this team’s potential in the 3 round robin games, and just haven’t put collectively a full 60 minute good game this series (yet). Is it concerning? Yes. But I have faith we’ll figure it out. This bad offensive streak can’t last forever.
fishbulb
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.28.2009

Aug 16 @ 11:26 PM ET
Kotkaniemi can’t finish and looks like a rat. condoléances! les clochards perdus
- hereticpride



I think he should take Uncle Buck's advice and pay a rat to chew that thing off his face!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 16 @ 11:26 PM ET
they're sure no brayden schenns
- 2Real

Agreed
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Aug 16 @ 11:29 PM ET
1st Star of the Game: Philly's goal posts
bruceflyers
Joined: 06.16.2012

Aug 16 @ 11:30 PM ET
You're always linking to analytics. Haag was at 40% CF.

I'd play Gostisbehere next game.

- MJL

Nope!!!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 16 @ 11:31 PM ET
Ha, yeah, I remember when they discovered the labrum.

All of a sudden around 2005, there's a labrum!

- MrBuzzcut


Ha ha. I remember too.

I giggled for days.

I think it was Nitty aka Frank who led to your discovery.

Anyway, howdy buddy. I learned a lot from you over the years lurking and reading.

Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Aug 16 @ 11:33 PM ET
1st Star of the Game: Philly's goal posts
- Bendecko


And they don t even count as a SOG, seems akmost unfair
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 16 @ 11:34 PM ET
Well, we had no where to go but up after last game, and we get a win to boot! TK in and happy to have Raffl back in the lineup. Hägg and Braun reunited. Overall defense was a lot better. Laughts with some rough patches. I saw him targeted by hits and roughing towards the beginning, and he is possibly dinged up. He has been so good in this return to play that he gets a pass. Lot of blocks from everyone and Hart is great.

Now the offense and that PP

Go to the net! Go to the slot. Traffic plus shooting. There were so many missed opportunities to drive the net that it was infuriating. Sure Montreal box was great and terrifically aggressive on the puck, still we had many missed opportunities when we elected to pass or chip it in, only to turn it over, never having got a shot.

Edit: I was very pleased with Jake on the net front and the shot that led to the goal. More of that.
Hughjass
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.15.2017

Aug 16 @ 11:35 PM ET
You're always linking to analytics. Haag was at 40% CF.

I'd play Gostisbehere next game.

- MJL


No way. The team plays diff with Hagg in, tonight was an example. Ghost could be an impact player but the team D with him out the lineup is night and day different
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 16 @ 11:37 PM ET
The effort was there sure but the offense is anemic. Very little sustained attack. They're struggling with Montreal. In the playoffs a win is a win but they won't go far with this level of ineptitude both on the PP and at ES.
- MJL


Looks like they decided from the minute they got that 1st goal to basically sit on it.

Luckily for them, the Habs were equally bad on the PP and were pretty sloppy themselves at ES.

As for the Ghost/Hagg thing, if their game plan is pray for a lead and then cling on to it for dear life, then Hagg is better suited to that. They're really capable of a lot more, tho.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Aug 16 @ 11:37 PM ET
And they don t even count as a SOG, seems akmost unfair
- Trox88


Sometimes they go in. That's when they do count. Seems like a balancing yin-yang thing.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Aug 16 @ 11:38 PM ET
Haven't seen enough to know that. The entire team was a train wreck in game 2. Haag does what he does and plays well to his ability but defending is losing hockey. They need Gostisbehere's puck skills to move the puck and create transition.
- MJL

I just don’t know how they hide him defensively though. Turnovers galore, being knocked off the puck, caught in no man’s land too much. I know Brain didn’t help him either game, but it didn’t seem like a tire fire back there, especially the 3rd pair.

Tough to put it all on Ghost and certainly not fair. But they have 6 spots for 7 D. The wins vs. losses with Hagg vs. Ghost being in the lineup would be interesting.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 16 @ 11:39 PM ET
And they don t even count as a SOG, seems akmost unfair
- Trox88


Even with the posts, that would be about 25 shots a game for the Habs? 8 odd a period? That's where I give the most credit. How many did they face in period 1 last game alone?

This was a transitional game. A rocked team (facing an extremely confident team) needed to find its bearing, regain some confidence, hold on, and hopefully scratch out a win. In a "road" game.

They did just that.

I am more worried about the pp than the anemic offense. Lets see how it goes in game 4.

Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Aug 16 @ 11:40 PM ET
underwhelming win. crap power play. 4 or 5 posts on their side. we could have easily lost 3 to 1. i would rather have the win than the expected goals but i will bet they won that by 3 to 1. positives, hart, blocked shots, hitting, and team defense ex a few nasty turnovers
- biggbear77

Whatever, posts are a part of hockey. Konecny buries his there and the game is over.

They had their post and in last game plus one off our defenseman’s skate. Is what it is.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 16 @ 11:41 PM ET
No way. The team plays diff with Hagg in, tonight was an example. Ghost could be an impact player but the team D with him out the lineup is night and day different
- Hughjass


Hagg played less than 13-minutes. Lets not get carried away with his overall impact. Provorov literally played twice as many minutes. Half the damned game actually.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 16 @ 11:45 PM ET
I saw it differently. Niskanen and Couturier continue to be disappointing.
- MJL


Matty Niskanen continues to make questionable decisions.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Aug 16 @ 11:46 PM ET
Sometimes they go in. That's when they do count. Seems like a balancing yin-yang thing.
- Bendecko


Sure, an inch can make a difference. I used to get annoyed when the Flyers would hit posts, it s such a random luck whether it goes in or not, for me it s a meaningless stat.
fishbulb
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.28.2009

Aug 16 @ 11:46 PM ET
Hagg played less than 13-minutes. Lets not get carried away with his overall impact. Provorov literally played twice as many minutes. Half the damned game actually.
- Tomahawk


Ghost can do a lot of damage in 13'ish minutes... to both teams.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 16 @ 11:47 PM ET
Hagg played less than 13-minutes. Lets not get carried away with his overall impact. Provorov literally played twice as many minutes. Half the damned game actually.
- Tomahawk


How many mins do you expect a #6 to play given that he doesn't play pp? And Provy's imbalanced minutes have been going on for a while, hasn't it.

I thought Hagg was stellar today.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Aug 16 @ 11:52 PM ET
Even with the posts, that would be about 25 shots a game for the Habs? 8 odd a period? That's where I give the most credit. How many did they face in period 1 last game alone?

This was a transitional game. A rocked team (facing an extremely confident team) needed to find its bearing, regain some confidence, hold on, and hopefully scratch out a win. In a "road" game.


They did just that.

I am more worried about the pp than the anemic offense. Lets see how it goes in game 4.

- PT21


PP entries are brutal. I would rather have G or Konency bringing it thru the neutral zone then Coots because of skating speed to get the Habs off the blue line. The 5 on 5 was really structured and they did a good job of getting in the shooting lanes. Let s face it Friday was a complete arse kicking, gap control and shot blocking pretty confident AV made a priority.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 17 @ 7:42 AM ET
No way. The team plays diff with Hagg in, tonight was an example. Ghost could be an impact player but the team D with him out the lineup is night and day different
- Hughjass


So you think that adding in Haag is what turned around the team defense and overall effort?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 17 @ 7:43 AM ET
I just don’t know how they hide him defensively though. Turnovers galore, being knocked off the puck, caught in no man’s land too much. I know Brain didn’t help him either game, but it didn’t seem like a tire fire back there, especially the 3rd pair.

Tough to put it all on Ghost and certainly not fair. But they have 6 spots for 7 D. The wins vs. losses with Hagg vs. Ghost being in the lineup would be interesting.

- Flyers1218


They wouldn't have to hide him defensively.
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